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Post by birddog on Sept 22, 2006 7:23:54 GMT -5
Well here in S.E.Indiana I 've deer hunted since 1964,killed deer each year and checked them in and I can assure you that back in the 70's and early 80's a CO was more likely to be present when the deer was checked in that they are today...hell I haven't saw one with the exception of driving down the road for so long and I'm a property owner,and this meth lab stuff,has anyone ever been approached by anyone at a meth lab,I'll guarantee you that your already out gunned,the best thing to do is turn around and haul @ss the other direction,then turn them in.
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Post by bsutravis on Sept 22, 2006 7:40:47 GMT -5
I'm scratching my head in bewilderment at anybody who finds a flaw in this law. It's not just about being able to carry while out in the woods during archery or turkey season. What happens to the guy who 99% of the time carries, but today he left his 'piece' at home because he is going goose hunting.....he walks into the gas station as it's being held up and has no way to protect himself? There are dozens of scenarios where having a firearms while out hunting (including the trip to and from) is needed. Nobody is going to go 'Rambo' now that they can carry......if someone has that mentality than they probably would have already gotten busted in situations outside of the hunting world. If some idiot dispatches his wounded deer with his Glock, he's a moron and deserves the harshest of penalties.
As far as being more dangerous for ICO's... Out of common courtesy when the approaching CO asks for the guns to be unloaded during a routine check I would suggest being forthcoming and notify the ICO that you do have a concealed firearm (and permit), just so they know you are not trying to hide something.
I've never carried, never had the "need" to carry either Birddog...either while hunting or out in general public......all it takes is that one time where you wish you had a firearm to make it worth while. I'm sure if that day comes, I'll (and you will too) be wishing I had a handgun at my side.
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Post by cambygsp on Sept 22, 2006 7:57:19 GMT -5
When I lived on the Eastside of Indianapolis (many years ago) I never left home without my handgun. We moved to Camby and I just quit carrying it, and let my permit expire.
I am 100% in support of a persons right to keep and bear arms, I just have never seen a need to pack a hand gun while bow hunting.
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Post by bsutravis on Sept 22, 2006 8:21:23 GMT -5
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Post by birddog on Sept 22, 2006 8:25:13 GMT -5
What if
The biggest two words I think ever used...what if I had this,what if someone done that,what if this and that.What if I'd shot in the right spot,what if I'd been speeding...WHAT IF just doesn't cut it for me...sorry!!!
GREENSBURG, Pa. AP - The death of a bowhunter killed by a shotgun wound to the chest is being called suspicious, but a coroner said more investigation is needed to determine if it homicide or an accident.
The articile says that maybe it was an accident!!!!!!!!!
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Post by indianagooseman on Sept 22, 2006 8:31:14 GMT -5
I wonder how they will handle the duck/goose hunter since most handguns aren't shooting non toxic bullets?
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Post by Decatur on Sept 22, 2006 8:33:47 GMT -5
I wonder how they will handle the duck/goose hunter since most handguns aren't shooting non toxic bullets? It just means you can carry them, it doesn't mean that you can hunt with them.
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Post by birddog on Sept 22, 2006 8:38:06 GMT -5
Then why the hell carry one if you can't hunt with it? ??
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Post by mbogo on Sept 22, 2006 8:46:05 GMT -5
What if The biggest two words I think ever used...what if I had this,what if someone done that,what if this and that.What if I'd shot in the right spot,what if I'd been speeding...WHAT IF just doesn't cut it for me...sorry!!! GREENSBURG, Pa. AP - The death of a bowhunter killed by a shotgun wound to the chest is being called suspicious, but a coroner said more investigation is needed to determine if it homicide or an accident.The articile says that maybe it was an accident!!!!!!!!! Kind of like the "What If" of hunters poaching deer with their handguns while bowhunting, right? It is a safe bet that someone somewhere will do it, but then again did the law preventing everyone from carrying a handgun stop anyone that was so inclined to poach a deer with it from doing so? The obvious answer is no, anyone inclined to poach is already inclined to break the law and no additional laws will stop them. Even so none of that is as important as asking yourself the following question: Why should any game law be allowed to supercede the right to self defense? Govenor Daniels and Mr. Hupfer finally stood up and said it shouldn't and I for one am sure glad they did. IMO, any amount of poaching that could possibly be prevented is not worth the potential loss of even one hunter to a methhead.
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Post by mbogo on Sept 22, 2006 8:49:33 GMT -5
Why is it that every time a rule change is proposed or made some dissenter, lacking a reasonable, substantive argument against such change, trots out the old lame due process arguement?
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Post by birddog on Sept 22, 2006 8:53:36 GMT -5
Personnally I still do not see a reason to carry a concealed weapon while archery hunting...........
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Sept 22, 2006 9:48:11 GMT -5
Apparently some of you folks have not been confronted by roaming dogs & coyotes in archery season. Let me tell you from experience that it gets your adreanaline flowing & raises the hackles on the back of your neck. There have been a few times that I could have used a handgun to smoke the testy rascals.
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Post by jwkimber45 on Sept 22, 2006 10:04:31 GMT -5
I'm scratching my head in bewilderment at anybody who finds a flaw in this law. It's not just about being able to carry while out in the woods during archery or turkey season. What happens to the guy who 99% of the time carries, but today he left his 'piece' at home because he is going goose hunting.....he walks into the gas station as it's being held up and has no way to protect himself? There are dozens of scenarios where having a firearms while out hunting (including the trip to and from) is needed. Nobody is going to go 'Rambo' now that they can carry......if someone has that mentality than they probably would have already gotten busted in situations outside of the hunting world. If some idiot dispatches his wounded deer with his Glock, he's a moron and deserves the harshest of penalties. As far as being more dangerous for ICO's... Out of common courtesy when the approaching CO asks for the guns to be unloaded during a routine check I would suggest being forthcoming and notify the ICO that you do have a concealed firearm (and permit), just so they know you are not trying to hide something. I've never carried, never had the "need" to carry either Birddog...either while hunting or out in general public......all it takes is that one time where you wish you had a firearm to make it worth while. I'm sure if that day comes, I'll (and you will too) be wishing I had a handgun at my side. I agree!!! Its not about wether some moron will 'finish off' a deer with his handgun, nor is it about shoot a goose with a 'toxic' .45 slug. Its about RESTORING OUR RIGHT that had been restricted with the previous ruling. Just because 'you' don't feel the need to carry while hunting, should that restrict all of our RIGHTS to do so?
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Post by Russ Koon on Sept 22, 2006 10:05:49 GMT -5
Camby, maybe you should carry a picture of your pistol with you to show the meth freak you run into that you do actually possess a scary weapon. Just a thought.
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Post by hunter480 on Sept 22, 2006 10:42:47 GMT -5
Personnally I still do not see a reason to carry a concealed weapon while archery hunting........... Well -you PERSONALLY shouldn`t carry while bow hunting then. I`m with you Travis-how in the hell anyone can find fault with this is just amazing. For any and all who question this new RIGHT being handed back to us-DON`T use it. Pretty simple. Just don`t take issue with those of us who will gladly take it and use it.
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Post by Decatur on Sept 22, 2006 10:53:20 GMT -5
Personnally I still do not see a reason to carry a concealed weapon while archery hunting........... Well -you PERSONALLY shouldn`t carry while bow hunting then. I`m with you Travis-how in the hell anyone can find fault with this is just amazing. For any and all who question this new RIGHT being handed back to us-DON`T use it. Pretty simple. Just don`t take issue with those of us who will gladly take it and use it. I agree whole heartedly!!
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Post by dbd870 on Sept 22, 2006 11:40:28 GMT -5
What does hunting have to do with it, this is about protection. I don't understand this attitude. Why not ban cars since they could be used as get away vehicles... That's where you end up if you carry out that line of reasoning. Surely you understand the intent of the new ruling. Implicit in this attitude is no one is trustworthy and big brother must keep a watchful eye on everyone. This is liberalism/socialism at it's worst and I find it very offensive.
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Post by birddog on Sept 22, 2006 11:55:54 GMT -5
What does hunting have to do with it, this is about protection.
Protection...Against what ....the boogie man!!!!!!! I still say that carrying of a handgun while bowhunting shouldn't be allowed..I've had a personnel protection permit for years and I have never once taken a handgun bow hunting...Now there's a few places I wouldn't go with out one but BOWHUNTING!!!!!!
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Post by Decatur on Sept 22, 2006 12:01:15 GMT -5
Some people may hunt where there IS a need for personal protection. Why would you strip them of their right just because you don't think it's needed? Besides, I don't even know why there is a discussion on this topic? Thankfully, it's a done deal!
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Post by firstwd on Sept 22, 2006 12:15:34 GMT -5
My problem with this is the manner in which it came about. Due process is the American way. Yes, I have been in a few situations where I wished I had my handgun while bow hunting. I didn't have it, so my choices were different to keep me safe. As for the C.O.'s, currently no handgun can be concealed and the C.O. can see it prior to contact. I feel this will put them on a little more edge and make the whole situation more jumpy.
As for protection against meth heads? I don't know where you guys are from, but I'm in the #2 and #3 counties in the State for the stuff. If you find them, you ARE already outgunned and have been seen long before you see them. Even the pot heads will out gun you. Everyone I've ever come across has been carrying at least a 30/06. On the Gas station hold up. Why get involved? On the rare occasions that a hold up gets violent, I still carry mine in public just not to the woods. As for the waterfowl questions. Go ahead and carry it. The Federal Law says you cannot POSSESS any thing other than non-toxic. Federal Law supersedes any State Law. And NO they are still not legal on the Refuges.
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