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Post by drs on Jul 6, 2006 9:35:40 GMT -5
Man I do love the "jump on the bandwagon" crowd . Not ! Here's a scenario: A) Farmer Brown allows you to hunt his land for no money . B) In an effort to maintain this goodwill , and hopefully keep your access as leasing begins to come your way , you offer him a few hundred to lease . He agrees . C) Next year a guy Farmer Brown doesn't know offers him 10X what you did last year and asks to lease . Farmer Brown agrees . D) You lose your access to the higher bidder and the snowball starts rolling . The only good part there is that Farmer Brown will now be able to make a little extra coin , and as the other local farmers begin to lease their land the bidding wars drive up the prices until the locals can no longer afford them , pay even more the next year , or find another hobby . No matter how many times I hear the pro-leasing side I always here the same lame azzed refrain ,"You have to pay to play ." Horse feathers ! If nobody offered to lease , or at least refused to pay exhorbitant rates , leasing would be under control . But that isn't how it is , in the race to bag yet another set of bragging rights the few would sacrifice the wants of the many for their own gain . Another head on the wall only leads to wanting a bigger one , and bullsheit like that is what's killing hunting . No wonder kids prefer video games these days , watching their parents kill their own hobby with greed probably disgusts them . EXCELLENT POST, Kevin! Hits the nail right on the head!!
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Post by woodmaster on Jul 6, 2006 10:34:10 GMT -5
I agree......having to pay to hunt [glow=red,2,300]SUCKS![/glow]
Put yourself in the farmers place. If you had a car to sell and 2 guys arrived at your house at the same time. One offered you $500 and the other guy offered you $2500 for it. Knowing that your next door neighbor sold one just like it for $750 last year but the guy across the street sold his for $2000 last week....which offer would you take?
It's like everything else...the price just keeps going up and up.
To make leasing should be illegal would be taking an income away from a landowner.
I hope no one ever tells me what I can and can't do with my land!
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Post by belltower on Jul 6, 2006 11:48:15 GMT -5
I think that the state could do something if it wanted to. Have any of you heard of Kansas’s Walk-in Hunter Program? It is a successful program in which the state leases land on behalf of all hunters, in essence turning private land into public hunting areas. The lease is not as much as what most could make leasing to an individual but they have other services that they offer. I think that they have a biologist evaluate the land and it gets some patrols from the DNR. I am not sure what all it in tales but I think that it was successful enough that they had around 900,000 acres in the program a couple of years ago. A program like this would make it much easer for a young people to get into hunting by making it easy to find a place to hunt. I don’t know about you but I could afford pay a few more bucks for my license if it gave me access to more land even though I could not afford to pay hundreds if not thousands of dollars for a private lease. Any ways that’s just my thoughts. Here is the best link that I could find to Kansas’s program. www.kdwp.state.ks.us/kdwp_info/locations/hunting_fishing_maps_by_county/fall_2005_wiha_hunting_maps
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Post by Hawkeye on Jul 6, 2006 12:05:35 GMT -5
Well since my original post about a business leasing the farm I hunted on this past season .Have contacted several Farmers within 80 miles of Carmel In ,about permission to hunt on their property or lease a small property. so far no luck,most already have hunters with permission or have leased to hunters or leasing agents. seems most farmers who would say how much they leased for with out leasing agent, stated 5 to 10 dollars per acre,depending on the property size,location,Deer/Turkey availability,Year round lease,Fishing, camping. most farmers have been contacted by leasing agents several times. Again I have no hard feelings for the farmers. They must make a living and it is their land to do with what they want. But for someone who only wants a good place to hunt , owns no hunting property and could care less about the trophy Bucks, sure puts us between the rock and a hard place.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Jul 6, 2006 12:14:43 GMT -5
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Where does it end? ?? It does'nt!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by indianagooseman on Jul 6, 2006 17:39:52 GMT -5
Man I do love the "jump on the bandwagon" crowd . Not ! Here's a scenario: A) Farmer Brown allows you to hunt his land for no money . B) In an effort to maintain this goodwill , and hopefully keep your access as leasing begins to come your way , you offer him a few hundred to lease . He agrees . C) Next year a guy Farmer Brown doesn't know offers him 10X what you did last year and asks to lease . Farmer Brown agrees . D) You lose your access to the higher bidder and the snowball starts rolling . The only good part there is that Farmer Brown will now be able to make a little extra coin , and as the other local farmers begin to lease their land the bidding wars drive up the prices until the locals can no longer afford them , pay even more the next year , or find another hobby . No matter how many times I hear the pro-leasing side I always here the same lame azzed refrain ,"You have to pay to play ." Horse feathers ! If nobody offered to lease , or at least refused to pay exhorbitant rates , leasing would be under control . But that isn't how it is , in the race to bag yet another set of bragging rights the few would sacrifice the wants of the many for their own gain . Another head on the wall only leads to wanting a bigger one , and bullsheit like that is what's killing hunting . No wonder kids prefer video games these days , watching their parents kill their own hobby with greed probably disgusts them . Your whole scenario is down the drain with a 10 or 15 year lease with first right of refusal on the renewal...or you could just be a leech your whole life and suck up the generosity of others without a second thought of ever giving anything back, meanwhile Basecamp calls the farmer and strikes a deal with him then tacks on a premium price that none of us can afford!
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Post by Free-Loader on Jul 6, 2006 21:40:08 GMT -5
A buddy of mine is leasing almost three hundred acres for two grand. I'm happy with my land but can't blame a farmer for wanting some cash to help pay the property taxes. I remember the time when farmers wanted you to hunt their land because nobody else would. Loss of land and increased hunting pressure will push leases to a new level in the next ten years.
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Post by lugnutz on Jul 7, 2006 0:09:18 GMT -5
Man I do love the "jump on the bandwagon" crowd . Not ! Here's a scenario: A) Farmer Brown allows you to hunt his land for no money . B) In an effort to maintain this goodwill , and hopefully keep your access as leasing begins to come your way , you offer him a few hundred to lease . He agrees . C) Next year a guy Farmer Brown doesn't know offers him 10X what you did last year and asks to lease . Farmer Brown agrees . D) You lose your access to the higher bidder and the snowball starts rolling . The only good part there is that Farmer Brown will now be able to make a little extra coin , and as the other local farmers begin to lease their land the bidding wars drive up the prices until the locals can no longer afford them , pay even more the next year , or find another hobby . No matter how many times I hear the pro-leasing side I always here the same lame azzed refrain ,"You have to pay to play ." Horse feathers ! If nobody offered to lease , or at least refused to pay exhorbitant rates , leasing would be under control . But that isn't how it is , in the race to bag yet another set of bragging rights the few would sacrifice the wants of the many for their own gain . Another head on the wall only leads to wanting a bigger one , and bullsheit like that is what's killing hunting . No wonder kids prefer video games these days , watching their parents kill their own hobby with greed probably disgusts them . How is A-D any different than every day life. Didn't realize Outfitters were leasing ground up all over the state! Besides, isn't the locals the ones that are doing the leasing? Sure, don't lease the ground, then you'll always know you have a place to hunt each week , odds are if farmer Brown lets you hunt, then he'd probably let others hunt that as well. I see absolutely no security in that at all, even if it is for just a year. Have you ever played the games that these kids have these days? They totally kick butt, nothing like we had back in our hay day. You can call me greedy all you want, if trying to secure a hunting place for a minimum of one year, makes you greedy. I think its a smart idea. Lug
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Post by Decatur on Jul 7, 2006 6:12:55 GMT -5
I hate to say it fellas, but we can expect a lot more of this stuff. As deerhunting becomes more mainstream, something we thought we always wanted, we will continue to see things like the WHA, high priced leases and DNR's managing for big bucks. It just goes to show you, be careful for what you wish for!
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Post by Bowhunter68 on Jul 10, 2006 6:45:20 GMT -5
I've hunted a spot for 13 yrs. About 2 yrs ago the landowner was telling me about how much money his brother-in -law made leasing his land to turkey hunters, and was thinking about doing the same thing the following year. After I explained to him how much of his landowner rights he would be selling(like no mushroom hunting in spring) he quickly decided not to lease in the spring. Now his son is interested in hunting so hopefully this will not be a problem agian. The brother-in-law didnt read the lease the guy's wrote up very well either. They had restrictions on when he could work his land or even be out on it. My landowner isn't ready to lose those rights. And the brother-in-law isn't going to renew the contract without making a few amends to it.
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