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Post by Hawkeye on Jul 1, 2006 10:02:48 GMT -5
I have posted this message in the Bow/Arrow section,but was requested to post under Deer hunting as all hunters not just Bowhunters should be aware,what can happen.
Last year as some of you know I retired from Law enforcement in Florida and moved to Indiana as this is where my wife is from.I really got back in to Bowhunting. I love just being in the beautiful Hardwood woods.Had a very good season last year 2 does and a nice Buck and shared with the farmer.Hunted on a small farm about an hour away from where I live. I was given permission to more or less treat the land as if it was mine,the farmer liked the fact I only Bowhunted the property,said he felt safer since he lived on the property and has livestock. planted several small plots for the deer and turkey,cleared off areas,cleaned out the creek of garbage,repaired the fences ,put up posted signs,helped with the harvest. Then last night got a call from the farmersaying he had leased the farm to a business in Indianapolis to use by there employeesfor hunting. SO Iam out,I know I should have seen it coming,The owner did not even ask me if I was interested in leasing ,this really hurts.well I just need to vent,will get over it,so guys hope this will never happen to you ,but be ready,you never know.
Best to all.
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Post by lugnutz on Jul 1, 2006 10:14:35 GMT -5
Money, Money, Money, thats unfortunately whats all gonna come down to. For most of us its the almighty dollar that talks, whether its right or not.
Sorry for you loss, if your ever around the southern tip (posey co), send me a message i've got several decent places to hunt around here.
Lug
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Post by drs on Jul 1, 2006 10:19:34 GMT -5
Without starting yet another argument; I say that The pratice of leasing should be outlawed here in Indiana. This is one MAJOR thing that is ending the sport of hunting as we known it. We should write the Governor on this issue as well. <Very sorry you lost your place to hunt>
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 1, 2006 11:58:27 GMT -5
I'm sorry to hear that.
I cant blame a farmer for wanting to make a little cash, but he should have given you first rights of refusal - at least.
Although I'm not sure that you could match a company's bid. I'd also say that they will be gun hunting it too.
Keep on good terms with the farmer just in case things don't work out for him and this lease.
Gents,
That is what it is coming down to in deer hunting.
Buy or lease (long term) is the only way some of us will have a decent place to hunt in the futureIF we hunt at all.
The IDNR's job of managing the deer herd is going to get tougher and tougher with less hunters and most of them after that big buck only.
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Post by drs on Jul 1, 2006 12:26:30 GMT -5
The very worse thing that can happen is a very large number of Hunters become disfranchised, with the inability to find anywhere to Hunt, just simply give up the sport.  |
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Post by steiny on Jul 1, 2006 13:55:21 GMT -5
Outlaw leasing? Give me a break.
Why in the heck shouldn't a landowner be able to make a couple bucks to allow hunting access? That landowner put up a lot of money to buy that ground, pays taxes on it, etc. Most good hunting ground is usually thicket or rough ground also, which has little if any income producing potential.
Mr. Landowner is getting hit for $3 per gallon at the gas pump and finacially squeezed just like the rest of us. If he's got a chance to make a couple extra bucks off his ground, why shouldn't he? The days of free hunting are dwindling. If you really like this sport, suck it up and pay your fair share, or just sit back and cry about it when they bulldoze your favorite old woodlot for development, or lease it to somebody from upstate.
There is a world of opportunity out there for anyone that really wants to hunt. And, yes there still are quite a few landowners that will let a good sportsman hunt for free. It just aint quite as easy as it used to be.
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Post by drs on Jul 1, 2006 14:17:33 GMT -5
Outlaw leasing? Give me a break. Why in the heck shouldn't a landowner be able to make a couple bucks to allow hunting access? That landowner put up a lot of money to buy that ground, pays taxes on it, etc. Most good hunting ground is usually thicket or rough ground also, which has little if any income producing potential. Mr. Landowner is getting hit for $3 per gallon at the gas pump and finacially squeezed just like the rest of us. If he's got a chance to make a couple extra bucks off his ground, why shouldn't he? The days of free hunting are dwindling. If you really like this sport, suck it up and pay your fair share, or just sit back and cry about it when they bulldoze your favorite old woodlot for development, or lease it to somebody from upstate. There is a world of opportunity out there for anyone that really wants to hunt. And, yes there still are quite a few landowners that will let a good sportsman hunt for free. It just aint quite as easy as it used to be. We're all getting hit with $3/Gallon Gasoline. Mr. & Mrs America have only so much to spend on Hunting and other items. Something has to give. |
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Post by Hawkeye on Jul 1, 2006 14:24:24 GMT -5
Even after losing my place to hunt I feel the farmer had no choice in my situation ,The son told me today he tried to talk his Dad out of leasing his farm to the Business for hunting.did not want a bunch of strangers running over his property,
How ever the crops brought in Appox eight thousand dollars befor expences. the Hunting and fishing rights will bring in six thousand dollars pretty much clear. not bad for one hundred acres!. I agree this leasing will be happening pretty regular from now on. but again ,no hard feelings for the farmer!
PS. The son asked me if I would like to sell them the four tree stands I have on the property. agreed on a price!
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Post by drs on Jul 1, 2006 14:52:17 GMT -5
Even after losing my place to hunt I feel the farmer had no choice in my situation ,The son told me today he tried to talk his Dad out of leasing his farm to the Business for hunting.did not want a bunch of strangers running over his property, How ever the crops brought in Appox eight thousand dollars befor expences. the Hunting and fishing rights will bring in six thousand dollars pretty much clear. not bad for one hundred acres!. I agree this leasing will be happening pretty regular from now on. but again ,no hard feelings for the farmer! PS. The son asked me if I would like to sell them the four tree stands I have on the property. agreed on a price! Do you have another place to hunt, Hawkeye? If not you might try the Hoosier National Forest. <Again, sorry for your loss of a place to hunt> |
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Post by trapperdave on Jul 1, 2006 14:53:38 GMT -5
$6000 for 100 acres? $60/acre to lease? Prices like that will weed out us poor guys real quick! Cant blame the farmer though,gotta pay your bills.
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Post by drs on Jul 1, 2006 15:00:50 GMT -5
$6000 for 100 acres? $60/acre to lease? Prices like that will weed out us poor guys real quick! Cant blame the farmer though,gotta pay your bills. I can remember when land cost $60 or less per acre, to own!!! |
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Post by drs on Jul 1, 2006 15:03:18 GMT -5
Woody, I really starting to feel sorry for these younger hunters. I Guess guys, that are our age, ( I am 56) have seen the golden days of sport hunting. Something these younger folks will never see. <SAD>  |
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Post by dbd870 on Jul 2, 2006 5:31:10 GMT -5
All too true; although like everyone has said it's hard to blame the farmer.
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Post by turk2di on Jul 2, 2006 6:52:21 GMT -5
Hunting in America is headed towards socialist hunting that Europe affords. Only the deep pockets will have land to hunt& the rest of us will have to quit because States, strapped for cash,will sell out public holdings!
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Post by drs on Jul 2, 2006 6:52:38 GMT -5
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Post by danf on Jul 2, 2006 7:13:41 GMT -5
As much as I hate to see ground leased, I don't agree that it should be made illegal. Make it illegal and you might as well kick the landowners in the *$$ and tell them they can't do ANYTHING on their property.
What every happened to property rights?
This is exactly why we need as much public hunting ground as possible. I know that takes money to purchase, but we are paying a decent amount for each tag we buy....
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Post by drs on Jul 2, 2006 7:27:54 GMT -5
Hunting in America is headed towards socialist hunting that Europe affords. Only the deep pockets will have land to hunt& the rest of us will have to quit because States, strapped for cash,will sell out public holdings! I heard this stated in a Wildlife Biology course at MSU back in 1971! |
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Post by duff on Jul 2, 2006 7:36:25 GMT -5
I want to know what company is buying hunting rights for their employees!!!!
Sounds like a scam to me, if they were willing to shell out that type of money for 100 acres they could have got a much bigger piece making it easier for all to hunt IMO.
Sorry for your loss, I am sure you will be able to find a new place. At least it was not Sept. 28 when you found out.
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Post by huxbux on Jul 2, 2006 9:11:16 GMT -5
As much as I hate to see ground leased, I don't agree that it should be made illegal. Make it illegal and you might as well kick the landowners in the *$$ and tell them they can't do ANYTHING on their property. What every happened to property rights? This is exactly why we need as much public hunting ground as possible. I know that takes money to purchase, but we are paying a decent amount for each tag we buy.... I don't believe the leasing of private property can ever be made illegal, at least not without making some major changes in land ownership laws. This just isn't gonna happen, so we can probably forget about wasting time on that possibility. I've read many posts on this site pertaining to Illinois and the outrageous leasing fees existing there. We here in Indiana have a distinct advantage over many states in the midwest. There is a HUGE area of huntable public land free of any fees whatsoever. Approximately 200,000 acres in the HNF alone! I have been hunting the HNF for over 25 years now. The belief that there is too much hunting pressure, and very few big deer existing on these lands, is totally overblown. Admittedly, it's a hard hunt, a rough hunt. More time will need to be devoted to locating and patterning the deer. Hanging a stand, sitting for an hour or so, and shooting a trophy buck ain't possible. Seeing 20 deer a day, is a rarity. What you WILL be doing in the HNF, is hunting WILD deer. More wary and spookier than deer on any private land I've ever hunted on. It ain't easy there. IMO if you want easy, go to a high-fence hunt. My point is, that to state soon there will be no place to hunt in Indiana, is laughable. I agree with danf that acquiring, and perhaps more importantly, protecting our existing public lands from sell-off here in Indiana, is paramount to the future of hunting in this state. |
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Post by woodmaster on Jul 2, 2006 17:00:42 GMT -5
Without starting yet another argument; I say that The pratice of leasing should be outlawed here in Indiana. This is one MAJOR thing that is ending the sport of hunting as we known it. We should write the Governor on this issue as well. <Very sorry you lost your place to hunt> [glow=red,2,300]Your kidding....right?[/glow] Last year in Illinois I saw more big bucks on the farm I hunted than I have ever seen in one hunting season. I even missed a 160" 8 pointer with a bow. A hunter on the neighboring farm killed that buck in gun season. An outfitter found out about all the good bucks that where seen and killed around the area and quickly leased that farm. Even though I'm without a place to hunt in Illinois I understand that the farmer will make more money to lease to the outfitter than me. It's kinda like free agency in baseball. That farm was a free agent and I wasn't the high bidder. Even tho we don't like it...it's here to stay. To say we should outlaw leasing because we can't afford it is rediculous....the landowner has the right to make money off his land. Put yourself in his shoes not just yours. |
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