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Post by drs on Jul 2, 2006 18:02:07 GMT -5
All I can tell you is that Illinois & Indiana are two different States with different rules. On leasing, I've noticed that this pratice has been around since the mid 1980's and has gotten out of hand price wise. I can agree that leases do protect many area from housing development, and while this is a good thing, it doesn't mean that Hunters should be gouged & priced out of their sport. While I might has been a little too blunt in saying leasing should be outlawed, it should be at leased price controls placed on them. Pretty soon no one is going to beable, to afford to hunt if the prices on this and other daily items keep going up, as you know the first thing to go will be hunting.
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Post by kevin1 on Jul 2, 2006 18:40:07 GMT -5
Leasing already has a price control , it's called supply and demand , and it apparently has no ceiling . Buy some land now while you can , it's either that or hunting public land only once the deep pockets drive you from your current haunts .
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Post by lugnutz on Jul 2, 2006 22:04:59 GMT -5
I think if you have free permission to hunt a piece of property, and its darn good property, get your buds together and offer to lease it before someone with some major cash comes along, such as an outfitter. Oddly enough, Indiana doesn't have to many outfitters, if any. Besides if your the first to offer cash to the landowner, i'm sure you'll get it much much cheaper than you might think.
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Post by Hawkeye on Jul 2, 2006 22:41:08 GMT -5
I think if you have free permission to hunt a piece of property, and its darn good property, get your buds together and offer to lease it before someone with some major cash comes along, such as an outfitter. Oddly enough, Indiana doesn't have to many outfitters, if any. Besides if your the first to offer cash to the landowner, i'm sure you'll get it much much cheaper than you might think. Lug I have thought long and hard about the lease thing since I got told could no longer use the Farm for my Bowhunting. you can bet I do not want to be told to get lost again. The next good place I find to hunt I will get something in writing, and if I must get togather with some friends to come up with the lease payment ,so be it! ,will not be out of a place to hunt again. Again I do not have hard feelings toward any farmer for wanting to make his property more profitable. no matter if I like it or not, I do not have to be hit in the head to see if I want to hunt private land,and I own none, A lease is the way to go. Thanks to all for your e -mails of support and suggestions. Best to all
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Post by esoxjohnny on Jul 3, 2006 3:52:53 GMT -5
You can't blame the farmer for trying to make some quick cash. But it is just another sign of the direction that hunting is taking. I see alot more jealousy and greed amongst hunters. In many of the areas I hunt, it's like a soap opera. Somebody's always trying to scheme something to benefit his own personal hunting. I've seen guys do all sorts of shady stuff to get guys kicked off of properties or cause other problems to try to ruin someone elses hunting. It seems to me that the "good guys" are getting harder and harder to come by each year. And with each passing season I see money becoming an ever increasing factor for hunting. The hunting situation in Europe is a very good testament to what money and privilege does to hunting. Is leasing good? Yeah if you have the money or are already leasing a good spot. But for the average Joe on a limited budget, he has to roll the dice on public land and hope his stand doesn't get stolen or hope guys won't be running beagles around his tree all day. I guess it just depends what side of the fence you sit on as to what is good or bad for the sport.
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Post by Sasquatch on Jul 3, 2006 5:22:48 GMT -5
The money is surely tempting, but I say the old duffer dishonored himself by accepting your work for one year of hunting, then giving you the boot. It goes back to the Golden Rule; would he have wished to have been treated that way? I'm guessing not. But he smelled the green and to hell with everything else. Needing to pay the bills can't justify everything!
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Post by deerdude on Jul 3, 2006 5:32:09 GMT -5
sorry to hear, i think alot of us will go through the same thing in the future, around my area the orthopedic buisness is booming with a couple new companys coming in. it seems like housing additions are popping up all over and they are in a woods or they take out the majority of the trees to build the houses. ive told my wife several times that around our area only the rich will have a spot to hunt it the next 10 yrs. or less.
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Post by drs on Jul 3, 2006 6:18:10 GMT -5
The money is surely tempting, but I say the old duffer dishonored himself by accepting your work for one year of hunting, then giving you the boot. It goes back to the Golden Rule; would he have wished to have been treated that way? I'm guessing not. But he smelled the green and to hell with everything else. Needing to pay the bills can't justify everything! I remember, back in the 1960's that a Represenative , the late Adam Claton Powell once said ....."You have all kinds of power...White Power..... Black Power......Red Power....But it all boils down to GREEN POWER!!!
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Post by drs on Jul 3, 2006 6:23:59 GMT -5
You can't blame the farmer for trying to make some quick cash. But it is just another sign of the direction that hunting is taking. I see alot more jealousy and greed amongst hunters. In many of the areas I hunt, it's like a soap opera. Somebody's always trying to scheme something to benefit his own personal hunting. I've seen guys do all sorts of shady stuff to get guys kicked off of properties or cause other problems to try to ruin someone elses hunting. It seems to me that the "good guys" are getting harder and harder to come by each year. And with each passing season I see money becoming an ever increasing factor for hunting. The hunting situation in Europe is a very good testament to what money and privilege does to hunting. Is leasing good? Yeah if you have the money or are already leasing a good spot. But for the average Joe on a limited budget, he has to roll the dice on public land and hope his stand doesn't get stolen or hope guys won't be running beagles around his tree all day. I guess it just depends what side of the fence you sit on as to what is good or bad for the sport. Your post, here, is a very accurate one! I couldn't have written it better. What I highlighted in red is correct! The anti-hunting crowd, PETA or the other oganization do not need to destroy our sport of hunting.....We hunter, with our GREED and along with the greatly inflated prices of today for about everything; this will end our hunting. I am very thankful for the fact that I spent most of my enjoyable "Hunting years" before all this CRAP started. You younger hunters are going to see mostly negative changes within the next few years, and I feel sorry for you guys.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 3, 2006 7:52:11 GMT -5
Leases? I’ve read a good number of threads and posts an bout leasing in Georgia. It seems it is a constant battle to get a lease and more importantly KEEP a lease. People get outbid left and right down there. It seems that a group will get a parcel, manage it for trophy bucks and just when it is getting right along comes a high roller and bye-bye original “hunt club”.. It is all about greed and wanting to kill that big antlered buck that drives this. Maybe the Hunting Indiana Georgia members can chime in here about ther situation down there. forum.gon.com/forumdisplay.php?f=13
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Post by eelriver on Jul 3, 2006 8:02:25 GMT -5
If we can't do something to reverse the trend, hunting in this country will be like it is in Europe. Where only the few very rich who own large tracks of land will be able to enjoy the sport. Check out the prices of rough ground within 1 hour of Indy. $2,500 to $3,000 per acre. This same property could be bought for $800 to $1,000 ten years ago.
This all puts tremendous strain on public ground.
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Post by lugnutz on Jul 3, 2006 9:06:33 GMT -5
Hey Woody, i'm not sure if its possible or not, but if you want to manage the area in which you lease, would it be possible to lease it up for multiple years?
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Post by drs on Jul 3, 2006 9:19:03 GMT -5
If we can't do something to reverse the trend, hunting in this country will be like it is in Europe. Where only the few very rich who own large tracks of land will be able to enjoy the sport. Check out the prices of rough ground within 1 hour of Indy. $2,500 to $3,000 per acre. This same property could be bought for $800 to $1,000 ten years ago.This all puts tremendous strain on public ground. Something simply got to give. The average Hunter is being priced out of his sport, and this is not good for anyone. You wait and see those individuals, that bought land for hunting or fishing, especially with a group; will be selling soon as they get into finance troubles. I think we will se a lot of land being resold or auctioned off in the comming years. As for the people who leas out their property, they also will see a great decrease as the number of hunters shrink. As for the Wealthy Hunters, they will go out of State to do their Hunting; I know Wealthy Hunters, from other States, simply would not come to Indiana to hunt when they can go to a few Western States or to Africa to Hunt.
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Post by drs on Jul 3, 2006 9:24:26 GMT -5
I agree, Woody! It's only a matter of time that we'll see Hunts & leases being autioned off on ebay or auction arms.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Jul 3, 2006 10:13:10 GMT -5
I have posted this message in the Bow/Arrow section,but was requested to post under Deer hunting as all hunters not just Bowhunters should be aware,what can happen. Last year as some of you know I retired from Law enforcement in Florida and moved to Indiana as this is where my wife is from.I really got back in to Bowhunting. I love just being in the beautiful Hardwood woods.Had a very good season last year 2 does and a nice Buck and shared with the farmer.Hunted on a small farm about an hour away from where I live. I was given permission to more or less treat the land as if it was mine,the farmer liked the fact I only Bowhunted the property,said he felt safer since he lived on the property and has livestock. planted several small plots for the deer and turkey,cleared off areas,cleaned out the creek of garbage,repaired the fences ,put up posted signs,helped with the harvest. Then last night got a call from the farmersaying he had leased the farm to a business in Indianapolis to use by there employeesfor hunting. SO Iam out,I know I should have seen it coming,The owner did not even ask me if I was interested in leasing ,this really hurts.well I just need to vent,will get over it,so guys hope this will never happen to you ,but be ready,you never know. Best to all. Bummer! It has happened to me. I lost an awesome 300 acre farm that I hunted for about 10 years to the owners "business associates".
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 3, 2006 10:17:25 GMT -5
Hey Woody, i'm not sure if its possible or not, but if you want to manage the area in which you lease, would it be possible to lease it up for multiple years? Lug My little 40 acres that we hunt is owned by someone who doesn't live in state. We post and watch the place for him in return for hunting. Ground all around us is eiither leased or is owned by people that deer hunt. They don't hunt often or very hard.....mostly just the opening week of gun season. We hunt hard and often...all season long "Manage"? We just pass the youngsters....that works..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2006 11:38:08 GMT -5
Most of the horror stories about leasing in this area are just stories. Lease prices depend on different factors. No one forces anyone to lease that I'm aware of. That said, if anyone needs a nice spot to hunt, send me a PM. Our prices aren't anywhere close to what's been posted. Right now, we're looking for 3 members on 2,820 acres if anyone is interested. It's on the Wabash R. within spittin distance from Illinois.
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Post by drs on Jul 3, 2006 12:03:24 GMT -5
One of my Hunting Firends in Ky has the same set-up. Down the road from where we hunt, this fellow owns 150 acres, and my friend looks after his place, when the owner is on the road. We get an extra 150 acres to hunt on then.
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Post by Hawkeye on Jul 3, 2006 13:52:28 GMT -5
Just to let everyone know I am offering top dollar for a hunting lease within 60 or 70 miles of Carmel Indiana, will go up to maybe 50cents per acre and as desperation sets in ,may be forced to go to 60 cents. LOL.must keep my sense of humor! or will cry.
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Post by indianagooseman on Jul 3, 2006 13:56:15 GMT -5
I think if you have free permission to hunt a piece of property, and its darn good property, get your buds together and offer to lease it before someone with some major cash comes along, such as an outfitter. Oddly enough, Indiana doesn't have to many outfitters, if any. Besides if your the first to offer cash to the landowner, i'm sure you'll get it much much cheaper than you might think. Lug Lugnutz you are one of the few that has himself pointed in the right direction, the guys who are content to just site back and cry about it now WILL be the guys who are sittin on the couch later thinkin "I should have offered farmer Brown a couple hundred bucks back when I was allowed to hunt here". Come on guys, get your heads out of your rear ends! It's gonna happen, with you or without you. If you already have a rapport with the landowner It won't cost much to lease ground ESPECIALLY if your the first guy to in the door! Sign up for a multi year deal and get it locked up before someone else does. I'll bet the guys who are crying about their thin wallets have never approached a landowner about leasing their honey hole cause it's not expensive, yet.
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