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Post by drs on May 6, 2006 13:03:33 GMT -5
Gooseman, Thanks much for the update and if you or anyother member here finds out any additional information please pass it on to us. It is too bad that the State of Indiana can't find the money needed to buy some additional public land. What is confussing to me is that a Private Developer or Individuals can come up with the money to buy the land but the State can't.  Also I don't bame you for leasing your hunting ground. For many, who don't own any hunting ground this is the only way they can participate in the sport of Hunting. Well Put! Thanks for your fine post!  |
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Post by drs on May 7, 2006 6:47:11 GMT -5
A part of an article, in todays (Sunday) outdoor section by Evansville Courier & Press writer, Phil Potter:
Rumors are flying that a consortium now has or will control thousands of acres of Peabody mine ground near Lynnville, Ind., as a "non-profit organization."
If this is true, a great slice of what should be publically owned has been lost. While neighboring states continue to buy or lease such parcels, the Indiana Department of Natural Resources seems unwilling or unable to pursue such venues.
Perhaps a unified fund raiser by any or all conservation groups could generate seed money to be applied with state and federal monies to purchase or lease these areas.
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Post by chicobrownbear on May 8, 2006 11:31:29 GMT -5
Funny you mention too many people being the problem DRS.... I had a Natural Resources prof tell the class that if you REALLY want to help the environment, don't recycle and all that crap....DON'T HAVE KIDS!!!!!! The room was stunned into silence. Chandler? It had to have been. Lets see, why would nobody in the DNR want to spend any money on something like this...Oh yeah, With the administration change, a BUNCH of state employees were handed pink slips. Many of these were IDEM/DNR employees. Many more have resigned and taken other jobs, understandably so. Now what would you do? Gamble with your ability to provide for your family to ask for money out of an over extended state budget? Or would you keep your mouth shut and try to not draw attention to yourself? |
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Post by chicobrownbear on May 8, 2006 11:33:53 GMT -5
Thomas Malthus's theories were sound thought at the time, but advances in agricultural and medical technology have pretty effectively antiquated his theories. They do still generally apply to wildlife populations.
He was also a clergyman, which tends to deafen the ears of the scientific community.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 8, 2006 12:36:24 GMT -5
OK..
I did some asking around and here is what I understand will happen.
This is NOT finalized as of yet as details are being worked out.
One person did lease 27,000 acres of the Peabody ground. That is how Peabody wanted it. They do not want to deal with multiple leasers. Until this year there were only two leasers of the Peabody ground. Anyone else, besides them and who they gave permission to, was basically trespassing if they were on Peabody ground..
There will be NO high fences and NO "exotics" brought in. Although some of these areas already have feral hogs on it.
6,000 to 7,000 acres will be set aside as an outfitting base. There will be food plots put in and a lodge built. They will sell weeklong hunts. This property will be the ground that Ralph Brown had leased up until this year, plus some of the Tecumseh ground.
SOME of the remaining 20,000 or so acres will be divided out into 500 acre tracts and these will be leased out to individuals or groups. The going rate will be from $6 to $10 an acre.
The remainder of the ground will be open for hunting by a permit basis. Price of the yearly permits has not been determined yet.
So the leaser of the 27,000 cares seems to be trying to make everyone happy by having big time hunts (yes there are some whopper bucks on there) on part of teh ground, leasing to people that want to control a certain block of ground and making room for individuals that want to pay XX amount of dollars to hunt.
What wont happen anymore is people hunting for free..
As I said, this is how I understand it. Things could change by Fall.
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Post by drs on May 8, 2006 12:44:10 GMT -5
Thanks, Woody, for the update. This makes things a little more clear. Let just hope that things will go smoothly and those, who have or are hunting there, will not be out of a place to hunt. I am, personally, not too familiar with the hunting situation in Warrick County, and I guess most of the land there is under lease agreements.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 8, 2006 12:52:46 GMT -5
Thanks, Woody, for the update. This makes things a little more clear. Let just hope that things will go smoothly and those, who have or are hunting there, will not be out of a place to hunt. I am, personally, not too familiar with the hunting situation in Warrick County, and I guess most of the land there is under lease agreements. As I said - Two people had leased some of the Peabody ground up until this year. One lease was renewed and one wasn't. If anyone was hunting the Peabody ground and was not included on these two leases they were basically trespassing. I know that Peabody turned a blind eye to trespassing, but if anyone got hurt on there and tried to sue I'm sure that Pebaody would prosecute that individual for trespassing. Self protetction...... |
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Post by chicobrownbear on May 8, 2006 13:34:13 GMT -5
KY is light years ahead of us on the land reclamation project issue.
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Post by duff on May 12, 2006 21:30:15 GMT -5
... With the administration change, a BUNCH of state employees were handed pink slips. Many of these were IDEM/DNR employees. Many more have resigned and taken other jobs, understandably so. Now what would you do? Gamble with your ability to provide for your family to ask for money out of an over extended state budget? Or would you keep your mouth shut and try to not draw attention to yourself? Sorry you lost me on that thread. I am an ex state employee and to be honest I can't think of a better place to cut the budget then some of the fat and waste that was toted around in some of the states departments. Typically my experience was 3 to 4 employees doing the work of 1 or 2 real life work. There are exceptions, but in my little world it was the rule, yet management and those fooled by them cried of under funded and under staffed. Besides, the only individuals that Ican think that got the ax were tied up with the politics to begin with. Even when the admin changed within party lines such as when Kernan took over after Obanon died there were "pink slips" handed out. Joe moved his back scratchers into their spots and bumped Frank's out. Not an uncommon event especially in a pollitical environment. |
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Post by chicobrownbear on May 15, 2006 7:09:35 GMT -5
Not really the case duff. I have also seen this in some departments in the state, but most of these employees were stormwater specialists who are actually desperately needed.
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Post by indianagooseman on May 15, 2006 12:23:36 GMT -5
If anyone was hunting the Peabody ground and was not included on these two leases they were basically trespassing. I know that Peabody turned a blind eye to trespassing, but if anyone got hurt on there and tried to sue I'm sure that Pebaody would prosecute that individual for trespassing. Self protetction...... That is exactly the problem I ran into with my coal mine lease! I can't tell you how many people came up and said "you can't run me off I've hunted here for 20 years". None of which ever had a permit, they were all trespassing but somehow I was the bad guy! Shew, some people. |
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Post by kevin1 on May 17, 2006 5:27:04 GMT -5
I'm frankly amazed by some of the replies on this thread .  Many of the same people who are ardent supporters of the Illinois model are now complaining because they got what they wished for , leasing and outfitters "robbing" them of ground they've hunted since childhood . The bottom line is that the land belongs to Peabody , not us . They chose to lease it , which is their right . IDNR barely had the funds to buy little old Goose Pond , yet some are crying because they couldn't afford to buy a parcel over three times the size that wasn't for sale in the first place . Now the new lessors are going to sublet the land to others for prime rates , exactly as I predicted on another thread . Surprise , surprise . If the new lessors make improvements to that land that result in even more whopper bucks than it already has then guess what ? That's right , even higher lease rates . The bidding wars are about to begin , just like they did next door , and the odds are that in ten years most of the sublessors won't be residents . Congratulations leasing supporters , you got what you wanted . Welcome to the state of Illinois,jr , it's only gonna get worse . |
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Post by drs on May 17, 2006 6:54:32 GMT -5
I'm frankly amazed by some of the replies on this thread . Many of the same people who are ardent supporters of the Illinois model are now complaining because they got what they wished for , leasing and outfitters "robbing" them of ground they've hunted since childhood . The bottom line is that the land belongs to Peabody , not us . They chose to lease it , which is their right . IDNR barely had the funds to buy little old Goose Pond , yet some are crying because they couldn't afford to buy a parcel over three times the size that wasn't for sale in the first place . Now the new lessors are going to sublet the land to others for prime rates , exactly as I predicted on another thread . Surprise , surprise . If the new lessors make improvements to that land that result in even more whopper bucks than it already has then guess what ? That's right , even higher lease rates . The bidding wars are about to begin , just like they did next door , and the odds are that in ten years most of the sublessors won't be residents . Congratulations leasing supporters , you got what you wanted . Welcome to the state of Illinois,jr , it's only gonna get worse . Unless laws or regulation concerning this pratice of "Leasing" is addressed; then Indiana will most likely loose the sport of hunting. I encourage everyone to write the IDNR or NRC, and voice your opinions concerning the praticing of Leasing, which is taking away your place to hunt. Whith the economy, the way it is currently, I am certain very few average sportsmen have $700/day for a piece of ground to hunt on. |
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Post by 10point on May 17, 2006 9:04:26 GMT -5
Fishing is looking more attractive every day.  |
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Post by indianagooseman on May 17, 2006 18:50:55 GMT -5
IDNR barely had the funds to buy little old Goose Pond , yet some are crying because they couldn't afford to buy a parcel over three times the size that wasn't for sale in the first place . Who says they have to buy it? The could do just like they do with Minniehaha and Fairbanks Landing. The state doesen't own either one of these fine hunting lands they lease them from big companies one of which is Peabody owned Black Beauty Coal! I for one say they should persue these avenues untill they can afford to buy. |
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Post by huxbux on May 17, 2006 21:43:08 GMT -5
I'm frankly amazed by some of the replies on this thread . Many of the same people who are ardent supporters of the Illinois model are now complaining because they got what they wished for , leasing and outfitters "robbing" them of ground they've hunted since childhood . The bottom line is that the land belongs to Peabody , not us . They chose to lease it , which is their right . IDNR barely had the funds to buy little old Goose Pond , yet some are crying because they couldn't afford to buy a parcel over three times the size that wasn't for sale in the first place . Now the new lessors are going to sublet the land to others for prime rates , exactly as I predicted on another thread . Surprise , surprise . If the new lessors make improvements to that land that result in even more whopper bucks than it already has then guess what ? That's right , even higher lease rates . The bidding wars are about to begin , just like they did next door , and the odds are that in ten years most of the sublessors won't be residents . Congratulations leasing supporters , you got what you wanted . Welcome to the state of Illinois,jr , it's only gonna get worse . kevin 1, you hit it dead solid perfect! Deer hunting in this great state has been one of the best kept secrets in the hunting community for the past few years. With the few well- publicized world class deer taken this past season, our secret is out! I fear that the luxury we've enjoyed in Indiana by being ignored as a trophy producing location, is at an end. Big deer mean big $$$. I believe big $$$$ is coming here in a big way. I hate to be a pessimist, but I agree with Woody's post about hunting eventually becoming a rich man's pastime. I truly believe I've lived the "golden age" of deer hunting, and I hate the fact that I am powerless to pass this timeless pursuit on to my grandchildren. |
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Post by drs on May 18, 2006 7:20:00 GMT -5
The problem is that almost all the potential "young" Hunters growing up today, have no desire to engage in the sport of hunting as we "old timmers" had at their age. Pretty soon the entire sport of hunting will cease to exist as us "older" hunters stop hunting altogether.  |
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Post by 3ptbuck on May 19, 2006 11:46:15 GMT -5
Woody-
Are you sure that Brown lost his lease? I was under the impression that Long was the one that no longer had the lease. After reading your post I called a buddy who has access to all of Browns ground and he said that as far as he knew Brown still had it.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 19, 2006 11:49:18 GMT -5
Woody- Are you sure that Brown lost his lease? I was under the impression that Long was the one that no longer had the lease. After reading your post I called a buddy who has access to all of Browns ground and he said that as far as he knew Brown still had it. I have now been told..... The Brown lease is still up in the air. Long still has his. |
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Post by 3ptbuck on May 19, 2006 11:55:37 GMT -5
What kind of reprocutions (sp?) do you think that guy who leased it all will go through now? I personally havent been to his shop but 2 times since he took it over and once was just to check in a turkey. I doubt I give him any more of my business unless Im in a bind but thats not just because of the ground issue. He has also bought up a large section of land that I think was mentioned earlier in this post that I grew up stompin around in. All thats left up there now is from Eby to Crowville & Shelton to Kelly and that is selling off pretty quik. Once thats gone I will have lost every bit of gound I grew up hunting and fishing. But anyways....
Do you think people will take their business elsewhere knowing that this guy took their hunting/fishing ground from them?
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Also I don't bame you for leasing your hunting ground. For many, who don't own any hunting ground this is the only way they can participate in the sport of Hunting.
