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Post by drs on May 4, 2006 7:09:10 GMT -5
well all of you warrick county hunters that hunt peabody ground get ready to find a new place to hunt because a guy that most of you support is getting all hunting right to over 20000 acres right out from under your nose and you dont even know it!!! he is takeing land from a few long time land holders all of you that are against leasing will love this !!! THIS IS NOT HERE SAY OR OR SPECULATION !! I KNOW SINCE I AM HAVEING MY LAND YANKED OUT FROM UNDER ME !!!! at this time i will not put the guys name on this but i just wanted to warn ya they have hired some new guards that should be patrolling any day now THIS SUCKS !! Biga123, This is unfortunate, for a GREAT many Hunters that like to Hunt Deer, Turkey, and other Game in Warrick County. Personally, I don't hunt in Warrick County but know several hunters that do almost ALL their Hunting there, or should I say "Did" their hunting there. IMHO, the State of Indiana had or has a GOLDEN opportunity to purchase this land for public use. The lack of suitable places to hunt is the MAIN reason the sport of Hunting is dying in this State. If the State of Indiana is truly interested in Sport Hunting then they should at least pass a law forbidding large tracts of hunting land being leased by a few individuals, which displaces a lot of Indiana Hunters. Once again the State is turning their backs on ALL Indiana Hunters. |
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Post by Woody Williams on May 4, 2006 7:09:22 GMT -5
well all of you warrick county hunters that hunt peabody ground get ready to find a new place to hunt because a guy that most of you support is getting all hunting right to over 20000 acres right out from under your nose and you dont even know it!!! he is takeing land from a few long time land holders all of you that are against leasing will love this !!! THIS IS NOT HERE SAY OR OR SPECULATION !! I KNOW SINCE I AM HAVEING MY LAND YANKED OUT FROM UNDER ME !!!! at this time i will not put the guys name on this but i just wanted to warn ya they have hired some new guards that should be patrolling any day now THIS SUCKS !! I understand that they will sell permits to hunt a major portion of this ground. The Tecumseh ground will be turned into a big time pay place though. At least that is what I am hearing. |
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Post by Rick Lyon on May 4, 2006 9:37:52 GMT -5
I have a bit of an inside track on this. Joella Bates, the female hunter and IBO Champ will manage the lodge and oversee the wildlife management for the 27,000 acre area. They will start booking hunts in the near future.
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Post by drs on May 4, 2006 10:25:20 GMT -5
I have a bit of an inside track on this. Joella Bates, the female hunter and IBO Champ will manage the lodge and oversee the wildlife management for the 27,000 acre area. They will start booking hunts in the near future. I bet it will cost the Guys, that want to hunt, an "Arm & Leg".  Again it's too bad the State won't aquire more grounds for public hunting. A lot of Hunters are going to loose their hunting, and it should make those guys, that have life time hunting licenses, mad as they will not have much areas to use those LT Licenses. |
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Post by drs on May 4, 2006 13:15:01 GMT -5
[/quote]I understand that they will sell permits to hunt a major portion of this ground.The Tecumseh ground will be turned into a big time pay place though.At least that is what I am hearing.[/quote]
This sounds like it is going to be one of those "High Fenced" hunting preserve. I thought the State banned these?
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Post by Woody Williams on May 4, 2006 15:54:50 GMT -5
I understand that they will sell permits to hunt a major portion of this ground.The Tecumseh ground will be turned into a big time pay place though.At least that is what I am hearing.[/quote] No fences involved at all.. Maybe this will be like the Peabody properties in KY?? Let's don't start throwing stones until we find out the TRUE details. www.kdfwr.state.ky.us/kfwis/arcims/wma.asp?strID=229Peabody is LEASING this ground not selling it.
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Post by biga123 on May 4, 2006 17:31:11 GMT -5
but for them to pull land fom people that have had the rights to it for years just to lease it to someone else thats some crap !! the same guy that is[[leasing]] this ground has been buying ground in the same area and selling it off in home lots !!!! what kind of conservation is that !!!!
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Post by chicobrownbear on May 4, 2006 18:19:36 GMT -5
John Prine was right, if you know what I mean.
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Post by lugnutz on May 4, 2006 21:11:22 GMT -5
Once again, our wonderful DNR not doing anything for the hunters, just taking and taking. You people sure you don't won't indiana to be like our neighboring states?
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Post by raporter1 on May 4, 2006 21:25:50 GMT -5
John Prine was right, if you know what I mean. Yep, Mr Peabody's coal train done hauled it away.(Paradise) |
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Post by gobblerstopper on May 4, 2006 21:49:13 GMT -5
biga123, I don't think anything happened right under our noses without anyone knowing it. In fact, I believe there is at least one post on this very board about the subject.
The rumors have been going around for about 8 months. That is the first time that I heard anything about it. If you are a leasee from peabody, then I would have assumed that you would have heard about it also. Through the "grapevine" so to speak.
I only know of two people that have land leased from Peabody and neither of their leases were affected. Where is/was your lease located? Do you have a bunch of cattle on your ground?
And as Woody said, there is a lot more to the story than you know and it is probably best to hold off on casting stones until more is known. I understand your flustration though. I have killed a bunch of turkeys on hunted ducks, geese, coyotes, foxes, rabbits and doves on it also.
True, the DNR did and has missed out on some very good opportunities to add to the state F&W areas. Bluegrass for example. As soon as the good woods was bought up, the DNR came in and bought the open areas. In this case though, unless plans change, I think we are better off with these individuals having the property than some developers that I can think of around here. True, he did buy some ground south of this property and has sold some lots off of it, but before he bought it, it was leased and posted anyways if I remember right.
I do not see where anything has been said that implies that there is going to be a "High Fenced hunting preserves though??
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Post by drs on May 5, 2006 6:58:00 GMT -5
The only thing more, that I can add to this discussion, is that you guys are going to wake up, one bright and shiny opening day of Hunting, and have NO place to go. It would pay to get on the "Horn" and contact the IDNR concerning the purchasing of more public hunting grounds. I 've done this several years and most of the time it falls on deaf ears but atleast it brings this to their attention. Like it or not, every year that rolls around there is less & less areas devoted to hunting here in Indiana. If this trends continues....Well, I need not say more!
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Post by gundude on May 5, 2006 7:44:11 GMT -5
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Post by huxbux on May 5, 2006 19:45:38 GMT -5
The "yanking of land out from under our feet" has been going on since recorded history & will continue at a more accelerated rate in the future. The Indianapolis area was shafted by the Shorewood Corp. when they developed the Geist reservoir area after the Inpls. water co. had promised the area would be left "in perpetuity" for the express recreation of the people of Inpls. When I was a boy, I and my friends spent our free time exploring the woods & fishing & hunting the area. Most every place I hunted & fished in even as recently as 10 years ago is now developed. Farmers everywhere are selling out for big $$$. It's inevitable that most all non-tillable, or even marginally tillable land will go up for lease because outdoor recreation is at a premium. Even state & federal forests are now being opened up to mountain bikers. My point is, there is huge competition for the use of this land. There is only one logical solution to the problem. Either buy your own land, or lease. I see no way around this. Individuals, organizations, even a consortium of organizations are going to have to unify in their purpose & lease or buy land to hunt on. Believing our hunting areas can be saved any other way is, IMO, pure folly
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Post by biga123 on May 5, 2006 23:35:47 GMT -5
very true i just thought there would be some people that would love to know whats up just hope that everyone finds somewere else to hunt i just hate it that my kinds wont be able to continue this tradition because of others greed !!! and a state that dont really care !!!! your right the time is not far off !!!
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Post by drs on May 6, 2006 6:35:55 GMT -5
Your point is correct! With this country's "open door" policy allowing anyone to enter our country the population of our country will be 500,000,000 in the next 20 or so years. This is the MAIN problem with almost everything....TOO MANY PEOPLE!! I studied a few Economic courses in college and agree with the Economist Thomas Malthus (1766-1834) "That the human population will eventually outstrip the natural resources of this world." Unfortunately we are starting to see this happening.
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Post by bsutravis on May 6, 2006 8:27:23 GMT -5
Funny you mention too many people being the problem DRS.... I had a Natural Resources prof tell the class that if you REALLY want to help the environment, don't recycle and all that crap....DON'T HAVE KIDS!!!!!! The room was stunned into silence.
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Post by drs on May 6, 2006 8:49:46 GMT -5
Funny you mention too many people being the problem DRS.... I had a Natural Resources prof tell the class that if you REALLY want to help the environment, don't recycle and all that crap....DON'T HAVE KIDS!!!!!! The room was stunned into silence. The human population, of the Earth, will swell to the point that all resources will be consumed and run out eventually. The ecological term: "Carrying Capacity" also includes Mankind too. Now if you want to go "Hollywood" on this then rent the movie " Soylent Green" |
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Post by duff on May 6, 2006 10:57:06 GMT -5
Funny you mention too many people being the problem DRS.... I had a Natural Resources prof tell the class that if you REALLY want to help the environment, don't recycle and all that crap....DON'T HAVE KIDS!!!!!! The room was stunned into silence. We must have been in the same class!!!!! I told that to an old Hag I used to work with. She was a die hard Gore supporter, and was on a rant about how eco friendly he was and he would save the Earth. I asked her how many kids he had, she told me. I told her that if he was such an eco friendly dude he would not of had that many kids. She was pretty upset by that comment. I told her that if everyone had that many kids we would be in worse shape then we were (not that I think we are in that bad of shape anyways!). She then said that if an individual is able to care for their kids then they should be allowed to have as many as they want. I told her she was starting to sound like a right winger with comments like that. She left and stopped talking pollitics with me after that!!! |
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Post by indianagooseman on May 6, 2006 12:22:24 GMT -5
Well I can't add much about what's happening down in Warrick Co. but I can fill you in on what I know here. I lease land from Black Beauty which is owned by Peabody and I was advised about a month ago that ALL BB leases might be cancelled because they may sell all their surplus land, which is the land they put in their Hunt Lease Program. Now, I have no idea if this ties into the Warrick Co happenings or not but just my .02. This might open the eyes of some of those who are apposed to leasing, the reality is that if you don't own it you better get it leased or your gonna eventually lose it and untill the State opens their eyes to that fact their not gonna help you either. It happened to me just like it did to those folks in Warrick Co, POOF one day it was there the next it was gone. Before you guys start pounding me for leasing let me be the first to say IF the state enacted a program to aquire (lease for the public) more ground like they did with Fairbanks I'll be the first to dump my ground and redirect those funds to the program. But we had better get our butts in gear before all the good stuff is gone. Any ideas as to where to start with that kind of program?
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Again it's too bad the State won't aquire more grounds for public hunting. A lot of Hunters are going to loose their hunting, and it should make those guys, that have life time hunting licenses, mad as they will not have much areas to use those LT Licenses. 
