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Post by welder on Feb 5, 2023 20:18:08 GMT -5
You fellas are proving my main points for me.... Thanks!!! Such as Illinois not being a OBR state with a drastically shorter gun season that you have been hunting 25 years and didn't know if it was a OBR state? Gotcha.
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Feb 5, 2023 20:21:45 GMT -5
And no urban/reduction zones. Let those poor pet deer live their lives to the fullest. Jealousy... Yep you got me. I have a reduction area I can hunt about 15 minutes from home, but just don’t do it. I like the challenge of hunting real deer woods. Anyone can shoot deer eating flowers and shrubs from the mulched flower garden.
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Post by pigeonflier on Feb 5, 2023 20:22:37 GMT -5
25 yrs I've never once bought a gun tag in Illinois. Your only allowed 1 either sex archery. I know that much.
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Post by pigeonflier on Feb 5, 2023 20:23:19 GMT -5
Yep you got me. I have a reduction area I can hunt about 15 minutes from home, but just don’t do it. I like the challenge of hunting real deer woods. Anyone can shoot deer eating flowers and shrubs from the mulched flower garden. Only a jealous fella would put it like that... I've been saying all year how I don't shoot the deer that let me walk up to them. And getting grief for not shooting them...
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 5, 2023 20:32:30 GMT -5
If God did not make all deer habitat the same then why is it all managed the same? Current deer management plan is by county? Antlerless bonus permits are based on past county harvests, deer/vehicle collisions, crop damage reports etc. Pretty sure No.1 county for 2022 deer season harvest was Stueban, in NE IN.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 5, 2023 20:35:33 GMT -5
If God did not make all deer habitat the same then why is it all managed the same? Habitat is managed by the landowners, not the DNR
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Feb 5, 2023 20:37:37 GMT -5
Yep you got me. I have a reduction area I can hunt about 15 minutes from home, but just don’t do it. I like the challenge of hunting real deer woods. Anyone can shoot deer eating flowers and shrubs from the mulched flower garden. Only a jealous fella would put it like that... I've been saying all year how I don't shoot the deer that let me walk up to them. And getting grief for not shooting them... If you only have 1/2 an acre you’re pretty much walking up on all of them. I’m done with this piddly stuff. Good luck getting your regulations changed to fit your agenda. I’ll keep hunting my big woods brown county deer and putting one on the wall every now and then. You think I’m jealous you haven’t a clue, which is fine because you’ll never know me that well.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 5, 2023 20:41:02 GMT -5
And if you don't speak up about not having any pheasants then you never will. You probably should whine a little louder and the DNR might, just might hear your complaints. Then one day you will see a survey come out that says would you like to see some restrictions to help get a better pheasant population in your area. All the guys will roll on the floor laughing at you. Hmmmm..all this whining you’re doing isn’t getting you what you want. After 22+ years of dealing with the DNR I know what they listen to and it ain’t whining.
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Post by pigeonflier on Feb 5, 2023 20:41:24 GMT -5
If God did not make all deer habitat the same then why is it all managed the same? Current deer management plan is by county? Antlerless bonus permits are based on past county harvests, deer/vehicle collisions, crop damage reports etc. Pretty sure No.1 county for 2022 deer season harvest was Stueban, in NE IN. AGAIN this conversation has nothing to do with doe harvests.
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Post by pigeonflier on Feb 5, 2023 20:42:51 GMT -5
And if you don't speak up about not having any pheasants then you never will. You probably should whine a little louder and the DNR might, just might hear your complaints. Then one day you will see a survey come out that says would you like to see some restrictions to help get a better pheasant population in your area. All the guys will roll on the floor laughing at you. Hmmmm..all this whining you’re doing isn’t getting you what you want. After 22+ years of dealing with the DNR I know what they listen to and it ain’t whining. Then I suggest don't whine to them. Rather speak loudly and go to their meetings and make sure your voice gets heard. They might, just might help with your pheasant dilemma...
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Post by pigeonflier on Feb 5, 2023 20:44:47 GMT -5
Only a jealous fella would put it like that... I've been saying all year how I don't shoot the deer that let me walk up to them. And getting grief for not shooting them... If you only have 1/2 an acre you’re pretty much walking up on all of them. I’m done with this piddly stuff. Good luck getting your regulations changed to fit your agenda. I’ll keep hunting my big woods brown county deer and putting one on the wall every now and then. You think I’m jealous you haven’t a clue, which is fine because you’ll never know me that well. You just said that I walk up and shoot deer in flower pots and shrubs and such... That's pretty piddly if you ask me...
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Post by pigeonflier on Feb 5, 2023 20:48:24 GMT -5
My modo in the reduction yard ... If I walk up on you then you get a pass, but if you walk up on me then that's your rear...
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Post by M4Madness on Feb 5, 2023 20:51:26 GMT -5
I don't think it's poor habitat. My usage of the word habitat in regards to deer hunting is normally a synonym for cover. Deer need lots of cover to avoid hunters and grow older. There are lots of forests in the southern part of the state that you could get lost in for days.
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 5, 2023 21:52:08 GMT -5
Current deer management plan is by county? Antlerless bonus permits are based on past county harvests, deer/vehicle collisions, crop damage reports etc. Pretty sure No.1 county for 2022 deer season harvest was Stueban, in NE IN. AGAIN this conversation has nothing to do with doe harvests. Deer mgt. 101. Ideal buck to doe ratio is 1 to 1. So it absolutely has to do with this conversation.
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Post by pigeonflier on Feb 6, 2023 0:02:05 GMT -5
AGAIN this conversation has nothing to do with doe harvests. Deer mgt. 101. Ideal buck to doe ratio is 1 to 1. So it absolutely has to do with this conversation. OK. I would guess in my area it has to be way off of 1 to 1. But I am not an expert with ratio numbers. But you also are proving my point for me. I think it should also be a 1 to 1 ratio also. But for fear of being wrong I would not even venture a guess how far off. How do we come close to getting a 1 to 1 ratio when we don't have a 1 to 1 harvest ratio?
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Post by esshup on Feb 6, 2023 4:21:22 GMT -5
If the deer aren’t there, move elsewhere to hunt. Pretty simple. I’m not going to sit and complain and try to get rules change to fit my agenda. I’m going to make moves for myself to solve the problem. Yep…God did not make all deer habitat alike. God did not make all pheasant habitat alike. I’ve NEVER see a pheasant in southern Indiana except the put and take ones at Glendale. The DNR needs to put in a OPR per season. No, I’m not going to go north where there are some pheasants. The DNR needs to provide me with pheasants to shoot. They don’t have to be “mature” pheasants. Young ones will do. Never mind..no pheasants Down here please DNR man..I’d rather whine about the lack of pheasants. Woody, I had to do a double take 2 weeks ago. I saw a rooster pheasant walking along the road less than a mile from the house, and when a buddy came out 2 days later he saw two roosters along the road in the exact same area. BUT that is up here in the North.
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 6, 2023 6:53:39 GMT -5
Deer mgt. 101. Ideal buck to doe ratio is 1 to 1. So it absolutely has to do with this conversation. OK. I would guess in my area it has to be way off of 1 to 1. But I am not an expert with ratio numbers. But you also are proving my point for me. I think it should also be a 1 to 1 ratio also. But for fear of being wrong I would not even venture a guess how far off. How do we come close to getting a 1 to 1 ratio when we don't have a 1 to 1 harvest ratio? When I first moved to my current area the buck to doe ratio was by my estimate near 12-14 antlerless per buck, (way out of balance), today I would guess closer to 3-4 to 1 , maybe little lower. As it has become lower hunting for antlered bucks has become better, with rutting behavior being much more intense. If you talk to our deer biologist he will tell you a 1-1 ratio is ideal, but very hard to accomplish in a wild herd for many reasons.
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Post by genesis273 on Feb 6, 2023 7:44:43 GMT -5
When I picked up my first permission farm, it was tough just seeing deer. Habitat was gorgeous and you would think that it was crawling with deer. But, the previous hunter and his son lived by the saying "If it's brown, it's down". I didn't shoot a deer there my first 3 years.
Myself and the property owner established a sanctuary on the farm, put in food plots, did some hinge cutting and made the pond bigger.
Over time, I acquired two other permission farms that boardered the first. (I have since gave one of those farms away to a 70+ year old who had lost his only permission piece. And he shot a dandy this year!) I developed a good relationship with all but one of the other hunters around me. Although it took some time, we all eventually came together with the same deer management goals. We now share trail cam photos and discuss which deer we'd like to harvest and which ones we'd like to pass. We also discuss doe numbers and how many we should harvest. Of course, we never try and tell each what we can and cannot shoot. We all get along pretty well.
One of the neighbors actually shot a buck opening weekend of firearm. It was one of the bucks I had been passing during archery. I didn't complain one bit to him, just congratulated him and enjoyed hearing how the hunt unfolded.
Putting the time in with the landowner and discussing deer management is a huge first step. Managing the land to make it a desirable place for deer to eat, drink and sleep and feel safe is another. Developing a good relationship with neighbors is important too. Then management goal discussions with neighbors are easier had.
I don't know a whole lot about land management nor do I have 170" bucks around every stand but, if you would see my permission pieces 15 years ago and now, you wouldn't believe it. It took a lot of time, trial and error, even some unfilled tags, but myself, the land owner and neighbors are happy with what we're now seeing.
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Post by hornzilla on Feb 6, 2023 8:43:52 GMT -5
I realize that, but it sure made me feel as though they read my mind. You need to realize I've been saying this shortened gun season for 25 years. I started hunting Illinois around 97. That's when I noticed the difference. If you like Illinois so well just hunt there. Enjoy there short season. We don't want Indiana to be like Illinois. Nothing like Illinois.
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Post by genesis273 on Feb 6, 2023 9:11:49 GMT -5
I realize that, but it sure made me feel as though they read my mind. You need to realize I've been saying this shortened gun season for 25 years. I started hunting Illinois around 97. That's when I noticed the difference. If you like Illinois so well just hunt there. Enjoy there short season. We don't want Indiana to be like Illinois. Nothing like Illinois. Or Iowa for that matter. Speaking for myself anyhow. I'm content with Indiana.
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