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Post by pigeonflier on Feb 5, 2023 12:57:47 GMT -5
That's my entire goal right there. Seeing an older age class. Most naysers will put their own spin on that and try to translate that to record book deer.
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Post by pigeonflier on Feb 5, 2023 13:01:51 GMT -5
Only thing that is constant is change. I don't see dnr restricting gun season though. He was sleeping last time it happened. That was probably when I was incarcerated...
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Post by duff on Feb 5, 2023 13:24:51 GMT -5
That's my entire goal right there. Seeing an older age class. Most naysers will put their own spin on that and try to translate that to record book deer. And you killed how many this year? How many days or months did you hunt?? Seems your actions are getting in the way of your goals. Then you want guys who hunt 3 weekends a year to restict their time so that you can maybe see older deer...and still kill 6 or 7 deer a year on a 5 acre patch. Lol!
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Post by huntsemall on Feb 5, 2023 13:58:03 GMT -5
How old is Brad now…. Late seventies? I believe his residence was Brownstown actually . Not sure. I think he is still around. Wrote lots of articles for major deer hunting publications, has a few books as well. 2 of my high school coaches are from Freetown, and Browstown and grew up with him. I met him few times through them and scoring deer. I would guess early 70's. Yep, I see him and Carol every couple of weeks either walking or just around town. And I would say you guys are spot as far as his age. For some time you could find one of his pictures in just about every whitetail magazine. Second the point they are fine people.
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Post by jjas on Feb 5, 2023 13:58:05 GMT -5
For the guys that were here back then. Would you say this site was pro OBR or anti OBR back then. I say this site had most of the antiOBR guys. And now I see from this poll that here on this site the majority is proOBR. Am I seeing this in the wrong light??? Looks like almost a 3 to 1 in favor of it now. I remember it being pro obr, but Woody was at the forefront of it all, so he should know for sure.
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Post by pigeonflier on Feb 5, 2023 14:29:24 GMT -5
That's my entire goal right there. Seeing an older age class. Most naysers will put their own spin on that and try to translate that to record book deer. And you killed how many this year? How many days or months did you hunt?? Seems your actions are getting in the way of your goals. Then you want guys who hunt 3 weekends a year to restict their time so that you can maybe see older deer...and still kill 6 or 7 deer a year on a 5 acre patch. Lol! Your coRnfusing the reduction hunts with state hunts. I killed 0 deer out in the wild. I killed 8 city deer. 3 bucks and 5 does. And it was no where near 5 acres. It was about 1/2 acre.
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Post by M4Madness on Feb 5, 2023 14:36:14 GMT -5
Not sure. I think he is still around. Wrote lots of articles for major deer hunting publications, has a few books as well. 2 of my high school coaches are from Freetown, and Browstown and grew up with him. I met him few times through them and scoring deer. I would guess early 70's. Yep, I see him and Carol every couple of weeks either walking or just around town. And I would say you guys are spot as far as his age. For some time you could find one of his pictures in just about every whitetail magazine. Second the point they are fine people. I had to dig deep in my phone to find this photo of Carol with the 172" buck she killed when she was 70 years old.
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Post by pigeonflier on Feb 5, 2023 14:37:01 GMT -5
To top it off, that is part part of my gripe. If I was to soley hunt in my non reduction spot. Man I'm lucky to have a few hunts that I get opportunities. I made the decision to hunt that reduction area because that's where most of the GUN hunting does NOT occur. I was forced to hunt a yard to get action cause I can't get it in my county. Does that make any since?
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Post by welder on Feb 5, 2023 14:47:10 GMT -5
To top it off, that is part part of my gripe. If I was to soley hunt in my non reduction spot. Man I'm lucky to have a few hunts that I get opportunities. I made the decision to hunt that reduction area because that's where most of the GUN hunting does NOT occur. I was forced to hunt a yard to get action cause I can't get it in my county. Does that make any since? In your non-reduction area, you can't get action meaning you can't see deer at all or mature bucks?
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Post by onebentarrow on Feb 5, 2023 15:09:49 GMT -5
Here is a question. What is the REAL benifit of the obr? Looks to me it is the satisfaction for some hunters with the dissatisfaction of others. Non-residents want to hunt here and raise lease prices forcing the guy that has limited resources out of hunting. Non-residents killing the big deer you fought so hard to have. No sintific benifet to the herd Leading to more requests to change seasons to raise bigger bucks to aserbate the previous statements. Distrust in the Dnr from both sides of the debate. Has any thing good come from it other than supposedly bigger horns?
Please prove me wrong with facts,not opinions.
Onebentarrow
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Post by duff on Feb 5, 2023 15:11:42 GMT -5
And you killed how many this year? How many days or months did you hunt?? Seems your actions are getting in the way of your goals. Then you want guys who hunt 3 weekends a year to restict their time so that you can maybe see older deer...and still kill 6 or 7 deer a year on a 5 acre patch. Lol! Your coRnfusing the reduction hunts with state hunts. I killed 0 deer out in the wild. I killed 8 city deer. 3 bucks and 5 does. And it was no where near 5 acres. It was about 1/2 acre. Perception is everything. The guy hunting longer than most and killing more than most feels the regular deer hunters are killing too many deer so he wants the most to restrict their hunting so he can get even more. Yeah I think I understand. You can try to mush your agenda into a herd health or buck to doe ratio agenda but I understand what you really want. You want more at the cost of others. The state does not care what deer you kill or let walk in the urban zone? You pull the trigger 100% of the time. You decide what you shoot. If you feel obligated to take every deer that is between you and the property owner. There are plenty of urban zone hunters that are there for the big deer. Bloomington inside the urban zone has some brutes. I am sure South Bend does too.
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Post by pigeonflier on Feb 5, 2023 15:28:03 GMT -5
First I got scolded for passing deer in reduction zone. Then I get scolded for shooting deer in reduction zone. Never will everyone bee happy.
Reduction hunts are far from regular hunts.
And I keep repeating that it's my county that needs adjusted...
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Post by welder on Feb 5, 2023 15:30:25 GMT -5
First I got scolded for passing deer in reduction zone. Then I get scolded for shooting deer in reduction zone. Never will everyone bee happy. Reduction hunts are far from regular hunts. And I keep repeating that it's my county that needs adjusted... Adjusted how?
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Post by duff on Feb 5, 2023 15:33:53 GMT -5
No not scolding you at all. I don't care what you hunt/kill. I am just pointing out that you are wanting to impact many others hunting opportunity. While you are hunting and killing more than most. If you don't understand the irony....
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Post by pigeonflier on Feb 5, 2023 15:36:32 GMT -5
Well behind every other tree every on every 10-30 acres is 3 hunters. My local county has umpteen property lines on 500 acre section. So if there is on average say 40 property lines a deer will cross in that amount of time the buck population is so far out of whack it's unreal. Does that make any sense that you have 100 hunters in 500 acres where a yearling buck has no chance. A lot of the guys down south are hunting 500 acres with 4 of them. Down south or away from St Joe county is just not the same thing.
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Post by pigeonflier on Feb 5, 2023 15:39:45 GMT -5
No not scolding you at all. I don't care what you hunt/kill. I am just pointing out that you are wanting to impact many others hunting opportunity. While you are hunting and killing more than most. If you don't understand the irony.... I don't understand it cause I am not killing a thing out in the normal hunting spots. The only deer I killed were in the city. That's like telling the state park guys the same thing.
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Post by duff on Feb 5, 2023 15:40:06 GMT -5
Well behind every other tree every on every 10-30 acres is 3 hunters. My local county has umpteen property lines on 500 acre section. So if there is on average say 40 property lines a deer will cross in that amount of time the buck population is so far out of whack it's unreal. Does that make any sense that you have 100 hunters in 500 acres where a yearling buck has no chance. A lot of the guys down south are hunting 500 acres with 4 of them. Down south or away from St Joe county is just not the same thing. I have hunted St Joe and Laporte co. Quite a bit. Your exaggerating to try to prove your point.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 5, 2023 15:56:21 GMT -5
If my memory serves me correct I did read some studys that stated a 1 to 1 or 2 to 1 ratio was a marker of a healthy herd but have never seen one that stated older bucks are a better or younger are a worse marker of a healthy herd. Average age of bucks as of last deer summary as I recall was under 3 yrs. of age. Even now , its rare for a buck to live past 5.5 in wild. Very rare. Mike, When was that? I could be wrong but I don’t think the DNR has released any age data since their 2013 Deer Report. Then they posted in the 2014 Deer Repott because of a combination of check ins (online snd check stations) that the age number was biased towards older age. So the 39% yearling kill reported in 2013 might not be correct. They dropped it altogether after that. Was it reinstated? If so what year?
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 5, 2023 15:59:11 GMT -5
Average age of bucks as of last deer summary as I recall was under 3 yrs. of age. Even now , its rare for a buck to live past 5.5 in wild. Very rare. Mike, When was that? I could be wrong but I don’t think the DNR has released any age data since their 2013 Deer Report. Then they posted in the 2014 Deer Repott because of a combination of check ins (online snd check stations) that the age number was biased towards older age. They dropped it altogether after that. Was it reinstated? If so what year? Think they put a estimated avg. Always seems like it was between 2.5 and 3. They may have stopped due to online checkin. Over years I had them check a couple.
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Post by pigeonflier on Feb 5, 2023 16:03:38 GMT -5
No not scolding you at all. I don't care what you hunt/kill. I am just pointing out that you are wanting to impact many others hunting opportunity. While you are hunting and killing more than most. If you don't understand the irony.... You look up the block on the north side of potatoes creek that borders orange on the west. Oak on the east. New on the south and Layton on the north. Then tell me how I exaggerated.
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