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Post by drrusk33 on Dec 4, 2016 22:17:50 GMT -5
May be a stupid question. Looking for help on creating a specific mineral site for the off season. Need something to help keep the mineral from seeping into the ground. Anything suggestions would help.
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Post by chasingtails on Dec 4, 2016 22:59:32 GMT -5
Honestly some is gonna get in the ground no matter what you can try to reduce. In the end about anything you put Down once it rains will spread out. People will agure but have it out two weeks before an you will be good. I do the blocks from rural king or tractor place.
Your suppose to have all the soil removed but who are we kidding here in my experience I have never had a deer return to the site once the block is gone.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 5, 2016 8:40:00 GMT -5
Kiddy pools buried can work. All you gotta do then is remove them....yes with rain they can simply become a mineral pool but that isn't all bad either.
Personally the bigger question above and beyond where to place or how is are you truly using a mineral supplement or just salt?
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Post by greghopper on Dec 5, 2016 8:48:00 GMT -5
Kiddy pools buried can work. All you gotta do then is remove them....yes with rain they can simply become a mineral pool but that isn't all bad either. Personally the bigger question above and beyond where to place or how is are you truly using a mineral supplement or just salt? Have you ever see any data that shows a mineral supplement/site will increases antler growth? IMO...mineral supplement/sites bring Deer to one spot so someone can get there picture is there biggest plus.
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Post by chasingtails on Dec 5, 2016 8:54:56 GMT -5
Kiddy pools buried can work. All you gotta do then is remove them....yes with rain they can simply become a mineral pool but that isn't all bad either. Personally the bigger question above and beyond where to place or how is are you truly using a mineral supplement or just salt? Have you ever see any data that shows a mineral supplement/site will increases antler growth? IMO...mineral supplement/sites bring Deer to one spot so someone can get there picture is there biggest plus. My thought is hopefully it will keep them around my property that I hunt. Get use to the area an comfortable.
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Post by medic22 on Dec 5, 2016 9:08:24 GMT -5
Honestly some is gonna get in the ground no matter what you can try to reduce. In the end about anything you put Down once it rains will spread out. People will agure but have it out two weeks before an you will be good. I do the blocks from rural king or tractor place. Your suppose to have all the soil removed but who are we kidding here in my experience I have never had a deer return to the site once the block is gone. I buried one in the ground in early july. I removed it mid august. I had pictures of the same doe and fawn visiting 3 times a day every day well into october. I never hunted that spot because of that.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 5, 2016 9:35:06 GMT -5
Kiddy pools buried can work. All you gotta do then is remove them....yes with rain they can simply become a mineral pool but that isn't all bad either. Personally the bigger question above and beyond where to place or how is are you truly using a mineral supplement or just salt? Have you ever see any data that shows a mineral supplement/site will increases antler growth? IMO...mineral supplement/sites bring Deer to one spot so someone can get there picture is there biggest plus. Yes, but only as credible as their source's funding IMO. Not sure I've seen a 3rd party officially un-bias case study though to directly connect what grows out of a deer's head and the mineral intake they have. I get why you went to antler growth but honestly that shouldn't be a primary reason for people desiring to supplement deer with minerals; overall health of the animal is. Honestly, I personally feel age of the deer and genetics are the vastly larger factors in what grows on their head...with the health of the deer obviously playing a role but smaller degree. However, the bucks are only half the reasons for mineral supplementation really (if one does it). If the overall health of a doe is better, they'll be able to support offspring better, lactation increases (this I've read does help...granted from farm deer reports if memory serves). Pictures are a great benefit yes, but I personally don't want to just provide salt to deer, if I'm going to go to the trouble of kiddie pool, digging up soil and fencing off or to whatever else degree one does in order to have a site in Indiana...I want it to have the most beneficial purpose possible for the deer, and for me at least antler development while a factor is a rather small one.
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Post by jackryan on Dec 5, 2016 10:13:08 GMT -5
Have you ever see any data that shows a mineral supplement/site will increases antler growth? IMO...mineral supplement/sites bring Deer to one spot so someone can get there picture is there biggest plus. My thought is hopefully it will keep them around my property that I hunt. Get use to the area an comfortable. You are wasting your time, money and effort. Buy a fruit or nut tree and plant it where it gets plenty of sun.
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Post by swilk on Dec 5, 2016 10:16:25 GMT -5
lol ....
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Post by boonechaser on Dec 5, 2016 11:15:45 GMT -5
Some studies say yes, some no. But I do. Actually already have mineral licks reopened and I also supplement feed as well. (Run 4 feed stations). 2 corn and 2 other a protein supplement which also is loaded with mineral's. Since I have started doing both can I tell a difference?? Antler size??? Hard to say but I did kill my biggest buck to date this year. Body weight?? 100% YES. Amazed at the amount of fat on deer I kill off farm. I normally will shut farm down to hunting right around Thanksgiving and that's when I begin supp. feeding and reopen mineral licks and will run until first of September. In addition I have close to 15 acres of food plots. (Clover, alfalfa, turnip/rape as well as field corn). Bottom line I have no shortage of deer, which makes it 100% worth it. My attention now is turned to coyote reduction. Have a dozen or so snares out and will be getting some baited traps out over weekend. Easiest way I have found to handle mineral licks during season is simply place a 4' by 8'sheet of plywood over site and put a cement block on. Deer can't access site or put a wire fence around works as well. Saves time in trying to clean up.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 5, 2016 11:20:27 GMT -5
Have you ever see any data that shows a mineral supplement/site will increases antler growth? IMO...mineral supplement/sites bring Deer to one spot so someone can get there picture is there biggest plus. Yes, but only as credible as their source's funding IMO. Not sure I've seen a 3rd party officially un-bias case study though to directly connect what grows out of a deer's head and the mineral intake they have. I get why you went to antler growth but honestly that shouldn't be a primary reason for people desiring to supplement deer with minerals; overall health of the animal is. Honestly, I personally feel age of the deer and genetics are the vastly larger factors in what grows on their head...with the health of the deer obviously playing a role but smaller degree. However, the bucks are only half the reasons for mineral supplementation really (if one does it). If the overall health of a doe is better, they'll be able to support offspring better, lactation increases (this I've read does help...granted from farm deer reports if memory serves). Pictures are a great benefit yes, but I personally don't want to just provide salt to deer, if I'm going to go to the trouble of kiddie pool, digging up soil and fencing off or to whatever else degree one does in order to have a site in Indiana...I want it to have the most beneficial purpose possible for the deer, and for me at least antler development while a factor is a rather small one. Yes a independent study that shows mineral site use increases health and or anther growth of Deer...Deer in Indiana have been living many years without this.... Just a feel good thing....IMO
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 5, 2016 11:29:47 GMT -5
Yes, but only as credible as their source's funding IMO. Not sure I've seen a 3rd party officially un-bias case study though to directly connect what grows out of a deer's head and the mineral intake they have. I get why you went to antler growth but honestly that shouldn't be a primary reason for people desiring to supplement deer with minerals; overall health of the animal is. Honestly, I personally feel age of the deer and genetics are the vastly larger factors in what grows on their head...with the health of the deer obviously playing a role but smaller degree. However, the bucks are only half the reasons for mineral supplementation really (if one does it). If the overall health of a doe is better, they'll be able to support offspring better, lactation increases (this I've read does help...granted from farm deer reports if memory serves). Pictures are a great benefit yes, but I personally don't want to just provide salt to deer, if I'm going to go to the trouble of kiddie pool, digging up soil and fencing off or to whatever else degree one does in order to have a site in Indiana...I want it to have the most beneficial purpose possible for the deer, and for me at least antler development while a factor is a rather small one. Yes a independent study that shows mineral site use increases health and or anther growth of Deer...Deer in Indiana have been living many years without this.... Just a feel good thing....IMO No study has dis-proven it has impact either. I equate to a human consumption thing. I feel better, stay leaner and overall am healthier when I eat better and/or consume healthier options high in nutrients. I personally struggle to think mineral impacts antler growth to the degree some claim...does it? I bet some, can it be proven....probably not worth the financial backing it would need to truly prove it in certified case studies or clinical trials.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 5, 2016 11:51:23 GMT -5
All you need is a study that proves it.... Anyone wonder why there isn't one in the modern day of technology and science....
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Dec 5, 2016 11:53:18 GMT -5
May be a stupid question. Looking for help on creating a specific mineral site for the off season. Need something to help keep the mineral from seeping into the ground. Anything suggestions would help. Anything I can do to help ensure they stay healthy is something that I want to do. Of course malnourished anything is not healthy, but my deer are probably not anyway. Ask yourself why you are really doing it. If you want to keep them around, well good luck with that, and let me tell you why. I had a herd of deer on my food plot most of the summer, and often all night long. It was like they were having a party every night. Everyone of those big deer moved to the corn when it got up. I did not see a single one of my shooters during hunting season while hunting. Occasionally, maybe every two weeks 2 of the 5 shooters would come for a visit at night. At first I thought the other hunters in the area would be wondering what happened to all the deer, because they were at my place. Now, I like the animal. They are beautiful and amazing creatures in my opinion. I will feed them and nourish them this year as well even if they all leave to get shot by another hunter. I want to do it for them. Someday, I may get lucky and harvest one, but this is not why I do it. I love to see them, and see them grow. To me it's like having a bird feeder. It warms my heart to see the deer eat the food that I planted for them. I will indeed spend a lot of money and put in a lot of effort for them this next year with little expectation of a harvest. I'd like to think that I'd do it even if I didn't hunt. Corn, young man, is what I'm going to plant. I like to learn something each year, and this year I've learned that I need corn! ...and maybe a few pumpkins.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 5, 2016 12:06:41 GMT -5
All you need is a study that proves it.... Anyone wonder why there isn't one in the modern day of technology and science.... There are studies that "prove it" again though, they are backed financially by companies producing products and that doesn't prove things IMO. Again, who other than vested interests is gonna pay to have the studies completed?? Just not gonna happen. Besides I am like I've stated a firm believer the difference is more about overall health than anything else...and antler growth is driven most by age and genetics IMO.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Dec 5, 2016 12:09:41 GMT -5
All you need is a study that proves it.... Anyone wonder why there isn't one in the modern day of technology and science.... There are studies that "prove it" again though, they are backed financially by companies producing products and that doesn't prove things IMO. Again, who other than vested interests is gonna pay to have the studies completed?? Just not gonna happen. Besides I am like I've stated a firm believer the difference is more about overall health than anything else...and antler growth is driven most by age and genetics IMO. I guess all we can do for them is keep them as healthy as they can be. Taking vitamins isn't going to make me grow 2 feet taller, but it will maximize my potential. Now, if I take HGH, I might still sprout a bit, but ...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 12:11:02 GMT -5
If you want deer around I recommend planting mask trees and fruit trees. Here is a great site for trees and having deer year round: www.in.gov/dnr/forestry/3606.htmI have over 200 mask trees (Oaks, Hickories, Honey Locust, Black Walnut,and wild cherry) and 100 fruit trees (persimmon, gray dogwood, Hawthorne (cover), service berry, common chokecherry, black chokecherry, and Elderberry on 2 acres of my three acres. Tress are 3 to 24 years old, so I have mask and cover. Next year I'm planting an oats/Turnip 1/2-3/4 acre food plot. I would say over the years my total investment is around $300 with half of the $300 building fences (5ft high) to protect the trees from the deer that I'm trying to attract. I have deer in my yard everyday of the year.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 5, 2016 12:11:03 GMT -5
There are studies that "prove it" again though, they are backed financially by companies producing products and that doesn't prove things IMO. Again, who other than vested interests is gonna pay to have the studies completed?? Just not gonna happen. Besides I am like I've stated a firm believer the difference is more about overall health than anything else...and antler growth is driven most by age and genetics IMO. I guess all we can do for them is keep them as healthy as they can be. Taking vitamins isn't going to make me grow 2 feet taller, but it will maximize my potential. Now, if I take HGH, I might still sprout a bit, but ... Is it legal to give deer HGH....now that is a thought LOL!
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Post by medic22 on Dec 5, 2016 12:11:44 GMT -5
All you need is a study that proves it.... Anyone wonder why there isn't one in the modern day of technology and science.... Studies prove and disprove a theory every few years. It just depends on who foots the bill on what the outcome is.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 5, 2016 12:12:08 GMT -5
If you want deer around I recommend planting mask trees and fruit trees. Here is a great site for trees and having deer year round: www.in.gov/dnr/forestry/3606.htmI have over 200 mask trees (Oaks, Hickories, Honey Locust, Black Walnut,and wild cherry) and 100 fruit trees (persimmon, gray dogwood, Hawthorne (cover), service berry, common chokecherry, black chokecherry, and Elderberry on 2 acres of my three acres. Tress are 3 to 24 years old, so I have mask and cover. Next year I'm planting an oats/Turnip 1/2-3/4 acre food plot. I would say over the years my total investment is around $300 with half of the $300 building fences (5ft high) to protect the trees from the deer that I'm trying to attract. I have deer in my yard everyday of the year. Most definitely Waynes, when available acreage is present incorporating mast and fruiting trees is a HUGE role in attracting deer and should be done. Takes years at times, but once producing both can be HUGE!
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