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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 12:17:45 GMT -5
If you want deer around I recommend planting mask trees and fruit trees. Here is a great site for trees and having deer year round: www.in.gov/dnr/forestry/3606.htmI have over 200 mask trees (Oaks, Hickories, Honey Locust, Black Walnut,and wild cherry) and 100 fruit trees (persimmon, gray dogwood, Hawthorne (cover), service berry, common chokecherry, black chokecherry, and Elderberry on 2 acres of my three acres. Tress are 3 to 24 years old, so I have mask and cover. Next year I'm planting an oats/Turnip 1/2-3/4 acre food plot. I would say over the years my total investment is around $300 with half of the $300 building fences (5ft high) to protect the trees from the deer that I'm trying to attract. I have deer in my yard everyday of the year. Most definitely Waynes, when available acreage is present incorporating mast and fruiting trees is a HUGE role in attracting deer and should be done. Takes years at times, but once producing both can be HUGE! It also helps with all animals. I have fox, turkeys, yotes, great horned owls, hawks and everything else. I also created a 17' garden pond with 20' creak. The water helps a ton.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 5, 2016 12:21:09 GMT -5
Most definitely Waynes, when available acreage is present incorporating mast and fruiting trees is a HUGE role in attracting deer and should be done. Takes years at times, but once producing both can be HUGE! It also helps with all animals. I have fox, turkeys, yotes, great horned owls, hawks and everything else. I also created a 17' garden pond with 20' creak. The water helps a ton. Trying to locate a small backhoe actually now for the Spring to dig some water holes in food plots that have a high water table and hold water in portions....gonna just give a spot to go and provide yet another resource for the local habitat. I think many people in today's hunting culture (or atleast those I talk to) ignore mast and fruit trees and go straight to plots only because they're immediate. However, nothing in my experience will trump a bumper desirable mast tree or fruit tree when they're dropping. I hope to convert a small good sunning spot that I shot Splits off of this year into a Fruit/Mast Plot...try to get 3-5 apple trees, going to protect a couple young oaks and also plant some hybrids too. Sure I could end up selling the place before I see real benefits of them but if still here in 4 or 5 years the fruit trees will be amazing for deer hunting!
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Post by greghopper on Dec 5, 2016 12:22:02 GMT -5
All you need is a study that proves it.... Anyone wonder why there isn't one in the modern day of technology and science.... There are studies that "prove it" again though, they are backed financially by companies producing products and that doesn't prove things IMO. Again, who other than vested interests is gonna pay to have the studies completed?? Just not gonna happen. Besides I am like I've stated a firm believer the difference is more about overall health than anything else...and antler growth is driven most by age and genetics IMO. Please post some of these study links that have been done by the companies that make the stuff .... Will be interesting to read what they claim! Personally I have never seen one ... I Always seen folks claiming there is none.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 5, 2016 12:36:55 GMT -5
There are studies that "prove it" again though, they are backed financially by companies producing products and that doesn't prove things IMO. Again, who other than vested interests is gonna pay to have the studies completed?? Just not gonna happen. Besides I am like I've stated a firm believer the difference is more about overall health than anything else...and antler growth is driven most by age and genetics IMO. Please post some of these study links that have been done by the companies that make the stuff .... Will be interesting to read what they claim! Personally I have never seen one ... I Always seen folks claiming there is none. I'll try to locate em tonight, I think I saved a couple even. Again though I pushed em aside for the most part since they obviously have something to gain from the "findings"
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 5, 2016 12:39:00 GMT -5
This is not a study, but it does link some of the more "unbias" studies on simply nutritional breakdown and the one if memory serves is study of soil mineral contents... www.qdma.com/minerals-for-whitetails/I believe that soil mineral one I have saved in PDF too, as it was interesting. Not directly linked to mineral supplements though like we are discussing.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 5, 2016 12:41:38 GMT -5
www.fwrc.msstate.edu/pubs/antler.pdfThat one above is based out of the south and would lead one to believe if you could prove the localized deer herd you are hunting is deficit in some mineral or nutrient and you could provide it, a difference could be seen. Again though, proving this is hard if not impossible in a wild herd setting.....and attempting to capture without a doubt a result with so many uncontrolled variables is tough to say the least.
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Post by medic22 on Dec 5, 2016 13:54:51 GMT -5
Just remembered this. Do some minor disagreements, a buddy of mine did not hunt the farm he normally hunts with two other friends, the other 2 did hunt it.
Apparently a few years ago they put out a mineral block. There is now a crater in the ground from deer visiting since that time. Seems the owner of the property was hunting a stand over that crater at the time the CO's acted on a tip on hunting over bait. (My friend maintains 100% that he did not call the tip in).
So i guess if allowed to seep into the ground, deer will continue to visit.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 5, 2016 14:03:58 GMT -5
Just remembered this. Do some minor disagreements, a buddy of mine did not hunt the farm he normally hunts with two other friends, the other 2 did hunt it. Apparently a few years ago they put out a mineral block. There is now a crater in the ground from deer visiting since that time. Seems the owner of the property was hunting a stand over that crater at the time the CO's acted on a tip on hunting over bait. (My friend maintains 100% that he did not call the tip in). So i guess if allowed to seep into the ground, deer will continue to visit. Yup, which is why every CO I've ever spoken with say they need to see steps or effort taken to stop deer from utilizing. We didn't really run minerals this year much but in past we've used the block off board and even fenced off the areas too. If I introduce minerals to my New Property I'm thinking of doing the kitty pool idea as others I know claim it has worked great and no seepage unless a crack forms but that is easily spotted each year if inspected.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 5, 2016 14:13:38 GMT -5
This is not a study, but it does link some of the more "unbias" studies on simply nutritional breakdown and the one if memory serves is study of soil mineral contents... www.qdma.com/minerals-for-whitetails/I believe that soil mineral one I have saved in PDF too, as it was interesting. Not directly linked to mineral supplements though like we are discussing. Be nice to read the actual studies they are sighting...for and against! You would think there would be more than Two studies done in the Modern area...Nutrition looks to be the Key to best results...I would think the Midwest is full of that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 14:26:47 GMT -5
I am glad you are allowed in Ohio to hunt over bait. This issue never appears. Time to get a large dump truck filled with corn, salt, and minerals and have it dumped in the field. Instant food plot and in a few years a new pond. LOL
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 5, 2016 14:29:03 GMT -5
This is not a study, but it does link some of the more "unbias" studies on simply nutritional breakdown and the one if memory serves is study of soil mineral contents... www.qdma.com/minerals-for-whitetails/I believe that soil mineral one I have saved in PDF too, as it was interesting. Not directly linked to mineral supplements though like we are discussing. Be nice to read the actual studies they are sighting...for and against! You would think there would be more than Two studies done in the Modern area...Nutrition looks to be the Key to best results...I would think the Midwest is full of that. Very true, however I think even biologists and hunters or farmers for that matter all agree it has to play a factor....just no studies to truly put a better handle on actual findings. I am with you in that it seems odd someone hasn't delved into it more. Perhaps some have and results were inconclusive...although you still think it'd find its way out to us all.
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Post by jackryan on Dec 5, 2016 15:14:48 GMT -5
Some studies say yes, some no. But I do. Actually already have mineral licks reopened and I also supplement feed as well. (Run 4 feed stations). 2 corn and 2 other a protein supplement which also is loaded with mineral's. Since I have started doing both can I tell a difference?? Antler size??? Hard to say but I did kill my biggest buck to date this year. Body weight?? 100% YES. Amazed at the amount of fat on deer I kill off farm. I normally will shut farm down to hunting right around Thanksgiving and that's when I begin supp. feeding and reopen mineral licks and will run until first of September. In addition I have close to 15 acres of food plots. (Clover, alfalfa, turnip/rape as well as field corn). Bottom line I have no shortage of deer, which makes it 100% worth it. My attention now is turned to coyote reduction. Have a dozen or so snares out and will be getting some baited traps out over weekend. Easiest way I have found to handle mineral licks during season is simply place a 4' by 8'sheet of plywood over site and put a cement block on. Deer can't access site or put a wire fence around works as well. Saves time in trying to clean up. I'd just as soon shoot a cow as do all that.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Dec 5, 2016 15:19:41 GMT -5
I'd like to shoot a cow too.
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Post by jjas on Dec 5, 2016 15:20:25 GMT -5
greghopper
I've always leaned toward this as one of the main reasons people do it as well.
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Post by michael1 on Dec 5, 2016 15:24:09 GMT -5
I farm for deer. And it's well worth it. I also raise a steer or 2 and Get hay from alfafa fields. I hay farm as a hobby but put profits go right back into property. Wouldn't have it any other way.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 5, 2016 15:28:00 GMT -5
I've never had issues getting pictures of deer without mineral sites. Not even in the top 3 reasons for me if I do them. Although I'm not normal says the wife lol!
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Post by firstwd on Dec 5, 2016 15:43:47 GMT -5
With all the work people do to use and then prevent deer from using minerals every year, plus the letter of the current law, is all the reasons to either make all baiting full legal or completely outlaw all or it including food plots.
There is simply too much gray area with too many shades of gray in there.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 5, 2016 16:04:40 GMT -5
With all the work people do to use and then prevent deer from using minerals every year, plus the letter of the current law, is all the reasons to either make all baiting full legal or completely outlaw all or it including food plots. There is simply too much gray area with too many shades of gray in there. Completely agree, I'm for one a fan of them allowing mineral supplements with say less than a certain percentage of salt because at a point it becomes simply an attractant or bait pile. Honestly I have all but stopped putting mineral out as I feel all the food plotting and high protein rich food is doing it and I have no worries of "possible gray" area. Now if I do the kiddie pool idea I may just go back to it...otherwise the effort I spend doing it I'd rather spend planting trees or plots or hanging stands or scouting.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 5, 2016 16:12:18 GMT -5
I'd like to shoot a cow too. You may want to do this close to a roadway....or be prepared for a long and brutal drag out...LOL
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Post by greghopper on Dec 5, 2016 16:15:22 GMT -5
I've never had issues getting pictures of deer without mineral sites. Not even in the top 3 reasons for me if I do them. Although I'm not normal says the wife lol! But doesn't this make the process easier?
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