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Post by bill9068 on Dec 5, 2016 16:16:06 GMT -5
The best thing to hunt over in my opinion is close to a water source, really paid off this year with as dry as it got late season. Hunted two different properties and killed two bucks heading to drink. Vanderburgh and perry counties. I planted food plots in perry county but dried up, so I moved by the pond.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 5, 2016 16:25:48 GMT -5
I've never had issues getting pictures of deer without mineral sites. Not even in the top 3 reasons for me if I do them. Although I'm not normal says the wife lol! But doesn't this make the process easier? not gonna say no...that'd be silly
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Post by firstwd on Dec 5, 2016 16:35:06 GMT -5
With all the work people do to use and then prevent deer from using minerals every year, plus the letter of the current law, is all the reasons to either make all baiting full legal or completely outlaw all or it including food plots. There is simply too much gray area with too many shades of gray in there. Completely agree, I'm for one a fan of them allowing mineral supplements with say less than a certain percentage of salt because at a point it becomes simply an attractant or bait pile. Honestly I have all but stopped putting mineral out as I feel all the food plotting and high protein rich food is doing it and I have no worries of "possible gray" area. Now if I do the kiddie pool idea I may just go back to it...otherwise the effort I spend doing it I'd rather spend planting trees or plots or hanging stands or scouting. I realize my view of the world doesn't exactly line up with most, but here is my thoughts. On the surface, steroids do great things for the human body. But, there has been countless studies and evidence of all the negative effect they also have. With so many different seeds, plants, supplements, gels, liquids, powders, and the like on the market and being given to the deer herd that every marketing campaign says is doing great things for deer, is it possible that they are actually hurting the deer in the long run?
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 5, 2016 16:42:29 GMT -5
Completely agree, I'm for one a fan of them allowing mineral supplements with say less than a certain percentage of salt because at a point it becomes simply an attractant or bait pile. Honestly I have all but stopped putting mineral out as I feel all the food plotting and high protein rich food is doing it and I have no worries of "possible gray" area. Now if I do the kiddie pool idea I may just go back to it...otherwise the effort I spend doing it I'd rather spend planting trees or plots or hanging stands or scouting. I realize my view of the world doesn't exactly line up with most, but here is my thoughts. On the surface, steroids do great things for the human body. But, there has been countless studies and evidence of all the negative effect they also have. With so many different seeds, plants, supplements, gels, liquids, powders, and the like on the market and being given to the deer herd that every marketing campaign says is doing great things for deer, is it possible that they are actually hurting the deer in the long run? I think for me it is when things are not naturally occurring nature such as food plot seed, grows vegetables or grains essentially. That in and of itself to me isn't abnormal or out of the ordinary. Mineral supplementation is an interesting unique discussion all to itself because many mixes are 100% "natural" in what makes them up, but are they naturally delivered? For the longest time I've debated simply using mineral supplementation as a fertilizer. Meaning spread it over my food plots in an effort for plants to naturally do what they do and that is consume nutrients/minerals and then naturally deliver them through their production of leaves, stems, bulbs and such: the natural way most animals consume the needed nutrients. My hesitation though comes from that possibly being labeled baiting in Indiana...due to it being mineral...hmmm....but I can put that same thing in a kiddie pool and it is okay so long as removed, despite that not being a natural way in it being a concentrated source of minerals.... IDK personally....
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Post by boonechaser on Dec 5, 2016 16:49:03 GMT -5
To each his own. Already have pics of 3 bucks over 130" visiting licks, feeders and plots. They draw and hold deer that I am 100% certain. Mineral licks and feeders require very little time. Plots/fields on other hand require some hard work. Actually is alot of fun doing it and you won't hear me saying I'm not seeing deer.😉
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Post by greghopper on Dec 5, 2016 17:11:55 GMT -5
I realize my view of the world doesn't exactly line up with most, but here is my thoughts. On the surface, steroids do great things for the human body. But, there has been countless studies and evidence of all the negative effect they also have. With so many different seeds, plants, supplements, gels, liquids, powders, and the like on the market and being given to the deer herd that every marketing campaign says is doing great things for deer, is it possible that they are actually hurting the deer in the long run? I think for me it is when things are not naturally occurring nature such as food plot seed, grows vegetables or grains essentially. That in and of itself to me isn't abnormal or out of the ordinary. Mineral supplementation is an interesting unique discussion all to itself because many mixes are 100% "natural" in what makes them up, but are they naturally delivered? For the longest time I've debated simply using mineral supplementation as a fertilizer. Meaning spread it over my food plots in an effort for plants to naturally do what they do and that is consume nutrients/minerals and then naturally deliver them through their production of leaves, stems, bulbs and such: the natural way most animals consume the needed nutrients. My hesitation though comes from that possibly being labeled baiting in Indiana...due to it being mineral...hmmm....but I can put that same thing in a kiddie pool and it is okay so long as removed, despite that not being a natural way in it being a concentrated source of minerals.... IDK personally.... Let be honest with our self's most of todays products, typically in a block form, are comprised more of salt than anything else. And saying "minerals" is more of a feel good thing for most...IMO
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Dec 5, 2016 17:12:01 GMT -5
I'd like to shoot a cow too. You may want to do this close to a roadway....or be prepared for a long and brutal drag out...LOL LOL, I might need a tractor.
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Post by MuzzleLoader on Dec 5, 2016 18:33:10 GMT -5
With Tb in the county next to me, not sure it's a smart thing to use minerals and feeders. First thing they said was no feeders or bait sites. Just helping spread it.
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Post by firstwd on Dec 5, 2016 19:35:20 GMT -5
I realize my view of the world doesn't exactly line up with most, but here is my thoughts. On the surface, steroids do great things for the human body. But, there has been countless studies and evidence of all the negative effect they also have. With so many different seeds, plants, supplements, gels, liquids, powders, and the like on the market and being given to the deer herd that every marketing campaign says is doing great things for deer, is it possible that they are actually hurting the deer in the long run? I think for me it is when things are not naturally occurring nature such as food plot seed, grows vegetables or grains essentially. That in and of itself to me isn't abnormal or out of the ordinary. Mineral supplementation is an interesting unique discussion all to itself because many mixes are 100% "natural" in what makes them up, but are they naturally delivered? For the longest time I've debated simply using mineral supplementation as a fertilizer. Meaning spread it over my food plots in an effort for plants to naturally do what they do and that is consume nutrients/minerals and then naturally deliver them through their production of leaves, stems, bulbs and such: the natural way most animals consume the needed nutrients. My hesitation though comes from that possibly being labeled baiting in Indiana...due to it being mineral...hmmm....but I can put that same thing in a kiddie pool and it is okay so long as removed, despite that not being a natural way in it being a concentrated source of minerals.... IDK personally.... I agree with your thought, but what about the exotic plants that have been introduced to the ecosystem. Not only food plot seed from the other side of the world, but all the decorative exotic plants landscapers have been spreading around the countryside for decades. With as many hunters that tell about how well these systems attract and hold deer, just how many NO HUNTING properties are heavily running these site all year to keep deer there and "protect" them from the evil hunters?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 20:06:03 GMT -5
The best thing to hunt over in my opinion is close to a water source, really paid off this year with as dry as it got late season. Hunted two different properties and killed two bucks heading to drink. Vanderburgh and perry counties. I planted food plots in perry county but dried up, so I moved by the pond. The deer hit my garden pond everyday and so do all the other animals including a lot of birds, bees, butterflies, wasp etc. It's amazing what water brings in.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 20:18:09 GMT -5
Wow, you guys have given me a great idea. Since the deer and all animals use the garden pond daily, I will dissolve the minerals in the ponds and all the animals improve. By the way, I do make the water slight salty (1%) to reduce the algae issue. Mega koi and mega deer. This is a win-win!
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Post by chasingtails on Dec 5, 2016 20:31:27 GMT -5
When you have swamp in your woods an a big 5 acre pond next to your woods what's the use. If I kept water open somehow by heating a large tin is that baiting?
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Post by GS1 on Dec 5, 2016 20:34:04 GMT -5
Wow, you guys have given me a great idea. Since the deer and all animals use the garden pond daily, I will dissolve the minerals in the ponds and all the animals improve. By the way, I do make the water slight salty (1%) to reduce the algae issue. Mega koi and mega deer. This is a win-win! Any pictures of the Koi? I have a few myself. Yea, I know. Completely unrelated to the original post.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 21:06:59 GMT -5
I have them on my work computer, but here are some of my deer or pond pictures that I forgot about. Santa deer herd Deer at the pond baby fawn at edge of yard near the pond Best of all - add mineral to the pond
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Post by bill9068 on Dec 5, 2016 21:19:24 GMT -5
Waynes, liked all your pictures but what's with the last one? Mowing the pond?
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Dec 5, 2016 21:39:01 GMT -5
Think I'm just gonna plant a field full of hostas and call it a day. I know they eat all my moms every year.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 22:00:48 GMT -5
Waynes, liked all your pictures but what's with the last one? Mowing the pond? Yes, my youngest son Sam back it out of the shed which is up on the hill on top. He want to far and down the hill into the pond for a swim. That's when I found out that Cub Cadets float.
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Post by bill9068 on Dec 5, 2016 22:08:45 GMT -5
Hope you were not to hard on him, lord knows I've done goofy things. Nice place you got there.
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Post by chasingtails on Dec 6, 2016 1:24:43 GMT -5
Those are the most realistic deer statues I have ever seen! Did you use real deer hind?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 7:37:30 GMT -5
Hope you were not to hard on him, lord knows I've done goofy things. Nice place you got there. I wasn't, I actually laughed when he told me the story on how it ended up there. I told him to have fun getting it out. Of course, my wife yelled at me for not helping him. As you see in the picture that I helped after he asked for help. Sam is the youngest one in the picture. Now he is 19, has a girl friend for 2 years and owns a 1979 and a 1986 Ford F150 trucks. The 1986 has a 460 in it with plow for snow removal. We rebuilds them. Sam is the one that goes hunting with me at times. He goes to college, works two or three jobs. sometime in a garage shop, sometimes for a friend's construction company, and sometime with his friend doing landscaping. He also works for a drive through. He gets out for hunting once or twice every other year. I know someday when he makes time he'll be out there. Right now he's living in the fast lane. The good news is that he goes to church every week with his girlfriend. He's a hand full.
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