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Post by hubcap72 on Feb 14, 2016 22:58:28 GMT -5
I am having issues with neighbors setting up blinds or stands on my property lines. This shrinks my acreage I am able to hunt safely with my children. I'm proposing 50 yard setbacks from property lines to give more distance between neighbors. Opinions?
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Post by firstwd on Feb 14, 2016 23:14:31 GMT -5
A mandatory set back would mean people could be shooting right at another and never know it. The way it is now, I can set up on or near a property line and shoot only toward my ground. We have a section on our farm the the field goes within 5 feet of the property fence. It is a perfect place to set a blind and catch deer crossing the narrow field tip going from the woods to the cedar thicket. The neighbors land is a cow pasture so there isn't any hunting interaction. The cows are fun some days though.
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Post by hubcap72 on Feb 14, 2016 23:34:21 GMT -5
Your giving hunters a lot of credit. I am 95 percent sure most hunters that set up on fencelines will shoot across fence when that certain Buck is seen. I would rather not risk my safety on my neighbors ethics. There needs to be a law in place in my opinion. If you disagree it's probably because your crowding your neighboring property.
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Post by firstwd on Feb 14, 2016 23:42:11 GMT -5
Your giving hunters a lot of credit. I am 95 percent sure most hunters that set up on fencelines will shoot across fence when that certain Buck is seen. I would rather not risk my safety on my neighbors ethics. There needs to be a law in place in my opinion. If you disagree it's probably because your crowding your neighboring property. I can agree or disagree and still be ethical. I have no need to crowd the neighbors with 3300 acres to hunt. I see no reason to make laws that are highly difficult to enforce because two people can't get along. If your neighbors are shooting across the fence, there are already laws in place to handle that. This kinda sounds like some people don't want their neighbors to have a chance at shooting "their" buck. Poachers are going to poach no matter the laws, that's what makes them poachers.
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Post by hubcap72 on Feb 14, 2016 23:50:24 GMT -5
I have more than one farm and all of them are surrounded with tree stands on the fence lines. I place my stands at a distance I can safely shoot to my line. That in my opinion is the ethical way to hunt unless agreements are made with a neighbor. Now if you are hunting on the line the probability the animal will cross is great! There goes your neighbors hunt for the day while you retrieve a deer. 3300 acres yet still hunting next to line? Reinforces my thoughts.
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Post by hubcap72 on Feb 14, 2016 23:54:41 GMT -5
No attacks here just frustrated and curious if others have same issues. My kids are hunting now and I do not like seeing hunters looking DOWN at me from a tree on the fencelines.
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Post by esshup on Feb 15, 2016 0:08:53 GMT -5
Your giving hunters a lot of credit. I am 95 percent sure most hunters that set up on fencelines will shoot across fence when that certain Buck is seen. I would rather not risk my safety on my neighbors ethics. There needs to be a law in place in my opinion. If you disagree it's probably because your crowding your neighboring property. I guess I'm in the 5% then. With a firearm or muzzleloader, I typically don't have a problem picking the right spot to place the bullet to drop the deer where it's hit. I consider myself a lazy hunter and don't want to go chasing after a shot deer if I don't have to. They typically run to areas that I hate to drag them out of......... I feel safer placing the blinds right inside the property lines and shooting towards the center of my property, rather than placing them inside the property lines. But, with my neighbors, we all get along, so I don't have your problems. Now, if I was having a problem with my neighbors setting up a blind on the property line and facing my property? That would be a different story, but like I said, we all get along. No concerns by any of us on what side of the property line a deer is on, or if it runs to the next property and dies. We aren't that deer crazy.
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Post by esshup on Feb 15, 2016 0:15:21 GMT -5
There is a 3500 acre farm that I have permission to hunt on. The way it's laid out, most of the deer bed outside of the farm, and walk onto the farm to eat in the majority of the areas that I hunt. If I set up away from the property line, then the slug or bullet could very easily leave the property after it exits the deer. I much prefer to set up on the property line so I can have some assurance that I know the area behind the deer does not have a unintended target, and the slug or bullet stays on the property.
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Post by hornzilla on Feb 15, 2016 5:49:23 GMT -5
I pay the property tax on the ground that runs to the fence. There for I can hunt to the fence if I so well please. End of story. We have enough rules and laws now. Anyways how in the world would this ever be enforced? I'm sure there in no game warden that has the time to waste on measuring out where someone has a stand during deer season. Sounds like you need to work things out with the neighbors.
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Post by featherduster on Feb 15, 2016 6:39:35 GMT -5
I pay the property tax on the ground that runs to the fence. There for I can hunt to the fence if I so well please. End of story. We have enough rules and laws now. Anyways how in the world would this ever be enforced? I'm sure there in no game warden that has the time to waste on measuring out where someone has a stand during deer season. Sounds like you need to work things out with the neighbors. Well stated.
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Post by freedomhunter on Feb 15, 2016 8:04:48 GMT -5
No attacks here just frustrated and curious if others have same issues. My kids are hunting now and I do not like seeing hunters looking DOWN at me from a tree on the fencelines. I could write a book. I usually just leave a note that their stand is being monitored by hidden trail cams on my side of the fence. Also, an across the fence exchange of pleasantries of what will happen to them if I catch them usually works well.
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Post by 76chevy on Feb 15, 2016 8:10:31 GMT -5
how would such a regulation be enforced??
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 15, 2016 9:06:36 GMT -5
I am having issues with neighbors setting up blinds or stands on my property lines. This shrinks my acreage I am able to hunt safely with my children. I'm proposing 50 yard setbacks from property lines to give more distance between neighbors. Opinions? I completely get the frustration with property line hunters...however when one deals with them my first question is always the same "Have you discussed or opened up dialogue with them?" AND NO, I am not meaning "Hey idiot....why in Sam **** are you hunting the line, I know you are shooting over it." There are idiots out there that are not hunters, simply killers who hide in the hunting ranks yes...but not all are that, and we should always assume the best and until the worst is confirmed. If you suspect they are hunting the line in order to shoot on to your property share your concerns. If they are setting on the line FACING your property, than definitely express concern. A great subtle way to break the topic is "Hey just wanted to make sure you know the property line back there as it isn't marked very well...." Express that you do not desire any shooting over the line, and if that occurs the authorities will be called and charges pressed as it is a crime. Great moment to when showing your harsh side, also show your sportsman side. Tell them that if they should shoot an animal on their property and it enters yours that YOU DO NOT WANT THEM to access your property alone, simply call you and you'll come as soon as possible to help with recovery (otherwise trespassing charges will be pressed). Lot of times dialogue with hunters about such things will show you a lot about the person...if they know you are watching them and keeping a close eye on their actions (tell them your trail cameras are the cell phone kind and send images to you instantly...) they most likely will move on or if they keep hunting ground rules are set and they're most likely going to follow them. As someone who hunts small acreage parcels (only one exceeds 20 acres of timber) sometimes the best spots to set up are the edges of ones place, and depending on how one designs the habitat of the property sometimes the best and smartest set up is along a line facing into your property or down the line with the best shot chances to your left (bow hunters will understand). Assumptions about a stand I hang along a line would be entirely misguided and could all be resolved if one would simply come talk to me. **Just a note...the homestead property of my family's I get your frustration. We had a neighbor shoot a 4 pointer a few years back on our place...he's since been "talked" to, but father chose not to press charges but warned any further violations he would. He still set up right on our line. So we hinge cut and labeled that entire border so their is no excuse he can come up with should he trespass or poach. And we set up a camera monitoring the area close to his stand on our property. So I get the frustration.
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Post by hornzilla on Feb 15, 2016 9:58:52 GMT -5
No attacks here just frustrated and curious if others have same issues. My kids are hunting now and I do not like seeing hunters looking DOWN at me from a tree on the fencelines. I could write a book. I usually just leave a note that their stand is being monitored by hidden trail cams on my side of the fence. Also, an across the fence exchange of pleasantries of what will happen to them if I catch them usually works well. Would you be trespassing when you leave a note on there stand?
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 15, 2016 10:11:21 GMT -5
I could write a book. I usually just leave a note that their stand is being monitored by hidden trail cams on my side of the fence. Also, an across the fence exchange of pleasantries of what will happen to them if I catch them usually works well. Would you be trespassing when you leave a note on there stand? Exactly. Better off if you really want to not break any laws (remember they haven't broken any by having the stand there) find out the landowners address. Mail a certified letter to them and another one inside for the hunter if they let someone else hunt their property.
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Post by jjas on Feb 15, 2016 10:11:53 GMT -5
hubcap72
If they are on your property, I would explain where the line is and ask them to move them.
If I set a stand near the line I normally set them up a few yards back. But...there are times when they are faced towards the other property. I don't set up a stand if the neighbor has one near there, I don't shoot over the lines and I don't trespass to recover deer, so I don't really see the problem.
If a person thinks there may be "issues", I would suggest hanging a camera on your property to see what (if anything) is going on before taking it to the next level.
But a 50 yard setback? No way would I support that as I would lose way too much property.
For example....One piece I hunt is around 25 acres. It is 600 feet wide and 1800 ft deep. That equates to roughly 25 acres. If I had to obey a 50 yard setback all the way around the property, I would not be able to hunt approximately 14+ acres of the 25.
Why would I support that?
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Post by schoolmaster on Feb 15, 2016 11:43:54 GMT -5
I would rather have them in stands then sitting on the ground. We have been forced to start taking a high shoulder shot to drop deer where they stand so they don't cross the property line. Otherwise we will lose the deer. The family farm has ditches and fence rows to set up on. We rely on other hunters to push deer into crossing over onto the agricultural fields we control. We don't bow hunt this property because of the tendency of the deer to run after being shot. So its either set up on the property lines or nothing. Its really hard to let deer walk behind you across the line but that just creates opportunity to hunt another day.
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Post by hubcap72 on Feb 15, 2016 12:13:45 GMT -5
Many have proven my point. A 50 yard Law will limit your ground. Unless I place stands right next to theirs my property I own not leased or borrowed is shrunken. So we all just set up on our edges first come first serve? I had neighbors hunting fencelines last year and of coarse every one ran straight on my ground. All four of their doe and fawns? Guess what? they expect to ruin my opening weekend with my kids to look for them. I don't think so. Some of you don't understand because you haven't made the sacrifices to buy your own property.
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Post by dbd870 on Feb 15, 2016 12:20:07 GMT -5
If a neighbor has one he shot and needs to do a recovery on my property I will not only let him but I will help him. I've stopped hunting and helped a next door neighbor do a recovery on his own place. We also trade info on what we are seeing.
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Post by jjas on Feb 15, 2016 12:28:16 GMT -5
Many have proven my point. A 50 yard Law will limit your ground. Unless I place stands right next to theirs my property I own not leased or borrowed is shrunken. So we all just set up on our edges first come first serve? I had neighbors hunting fencelines last year and of coarse every one ran straight on my ground. All four of their doe and fawns? Guess what? they expect to ruin my opening weekend with my kids to look for them. I don't think so. Some of you don't understand because you haven't made the sacrifices to buy your own property. If you want to implement a 50 yard rule for your property have @ it. But if you came to me, I would tell you "No Thanks".... If you are having problems with your neighbor, try to talk with them. If that doesn't work, tell them to stay off your property, that they can't recover any deer on your property and run some cameras to have proof of trespassing, etc. I would also contact the DNR and let your neighbors know that you've done so. And if you threaten to go the law enforcement route, I would make it stick and do my best to prosecute them. I understand your frustration, but in the end, you can't choose your neighbors and if they don't follow the existing laws, I fail to see how more laws will solve your problem.
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