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Post by dbd870 on Feb 15, 2016 12:49:09 GMT -5
Many have proven my point. A 50 yard Law will limit your ground. Unless I place stands right next to theirs my property I own not leased or borrowed is shrunken. So we all just set up on our edges first come first serve? I had neighbors hunting fencelines last year and of coarse every one ran straight on my ground. All four of their doe and fawns? Guess what? they expect to ruin my opening weekend with my kids to look for them. I don't think so. Some of you don't understand because you haven't made the sacrifices to buy your own property. If you want to implement a 50 yard rule for your property have @ it. But if you came to me, I would tell you "No Thanks".... If you are having problems with your neighbor, try to talk with them. If that doesn't work, tell them to stay off your property, that they can't recover any deer on your property and run some cameras to have proof of trespassing, etc. I would also contact the DNR and let your neighbors know that you've done so. And if you threaten to go the law enforcement route, I would make it stick and do my best to prosecute them. I understand your frustration, but in the end, you can't choose your neighbors and if they don't follow the existing laws, I fail to see how more laws will solve your problem. If one goes that route I hope he never needs to recover one that ends up on their property. Best to try and work it out.
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Post by hubcap72 on Feb 15, 2016 13:27:55 GMT -5
Unfortunately I did have to let them know they were no longer allowed to recover deer on my ground. If they did not have the attitude " if it's brown it's down" things would be different. I have taken all steps previously mentioned including informing my CO. I guess I'll match them stand for stand and have kids hunt toward the center. ty way to do it, but when you manage good deer everybody wants to infringe.
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Post by hubcap72 on Feb 15, 2016 13:30:23 GMT -5
I do have an agreement with one neighbor that I will meet him at fence and help him. But he must inform me first. He is one of the reasonable ones.
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Post by hornzilla on Feb 15, 2016 13:42:34 GMT -5
I most certainly do own my ground. Still would NEVER support another law. Specially telling me where and where not that I could place a stand. On property that I own. Sounds to me that you have more of a problem with what they shoot than anything. Brown and down is legal in Indiana. Has been for sometime. Friendly conversation with the neighbors will make better neighbors than a law that can never be enforced if it was a law.
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 15, 2016 14:12:58 GMT -5
Unfortunately I did have to let them know they were no longer allowed to recover deer on my ground. If they did not have the attitude " if it's brown it's down" things would be different. I completely understand as we all have different harvest intentions, but are you sure this isn't what the entire beef boils down to?
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 15, 2016 14:15:51 GMT -5
Boiled down simply: If someone owns or has permission on 8 acres. 80 acres. 800 acres.
They should be allowed to hunt every square inch, not just a percentage of it.
**And if a deer crosses ANY line after being shot, they should contact the landowner before proceeding...and any landowner not currently hunting that refuses to allow the recovery of a deer is in many ways worse than the line hunter that did nothing illegal.
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Post by hornzilla on Feb 15, 2016 14:29:29 GMT -5
Boiled down simply: If someone owns or has permission on 8 acres. 80 acres. 800 acres. They should be allowed to hunt every square inch, not just a percentage of it. **And if a deer crosses ANY line after being shot, they should contact the landowner before proceeding...and any landowner not currently hunting that refuses to allow the recovery of a deer is in many ways worse than the line hunter that did nothing illegal. Very well said.
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Post by onebentarrow on Feb 15, 2016 14:44:47 GMT -5
Unfortunately I did have to let them know they were no longer allowed to recover deer on my ground. If they did not have the attitude " if it's brown it's down" things would be different. I have taken all steps previously mentioned including informing my CO. I guess I'll match them stand for stand and have kids hunt toward the center. ty way to do it, but when you manage good deer everybody wants to infringe. Wish you were my neighbor cause if one got on your place it would give me a reason to go shoot another one and be able to say" I tracked it to the fence so I did everything I could do to recover it so I can go shoot another one now. Not my falt"
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Post by esshup on Feb 15, 2016 14:48:42 GMT -5
Many have proven my point. A 50 yard Law will limit your ground. Unless I place stands right next to theirs my property I own not leased or borrowed is shrunken. So we all just set up on our edges first come first serve? I had neighbors hunting fencelines last year and of coarse every one ran straight on my ground. All four of their doe and fawns? Guess what? they expect to ruin my opening weekend with my kids to look for them. I don't think so. Some of you don't understand because you haven't made the sacrifices to buy your own property. I don't see how 50 yds. will stop a deer from running to another property. On my property, it is only 330' wide. So, I'm supposed to cut that in half? Sorry, no. I bought my property to use, and one of the big decisions on to buy this property is because I CAN deer hunt here. It could be worse. You could have neighbors that drive ATV's in their woods all year long, sometimes at sunup, sometimes in the evening until an hour or so after dark. That will put a stop to deer traveling in the area..... As long as they stay on their property, not a durn thing you can do about it either.
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Post by esshup on Feb 15, 2016 14:55:32 GMT -5
Boiled down simply: If someone owns or has permission on 8 acres. 80 acres. 800 acres. They should be allowed to hunt every square inch, not just a percentage of it. **And if a deer crosses ANY line after being shot, they should contact the landowner before proceeding...and any landowner not currently hunting that refuses to allow the recovery of a deer is in many ways worse than the line hunter that did nothing illegal. ty, I agree. I think that if a landowner doesn't allow a hunter to recover a deer that is on their property, then either the landowner needs to tag it or somehow get it to one of the organizations that feeds people that need it, i.e. Hunters and Farmers Feeding the Hungry. If that isn't allowed, then they should be charged with wanton waste.
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Post by hubcap72 on Feb 15, 2016 15:19:03 GMT -5
Disagree. When people set themselves in a position that 90 percent of deer shot by them will end up on my property to harvest I find an issue with that. I would spend every opening weekend walking them around my property instead of hunting.
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 15, 2016 15:33:40 GMT -5
Disagree. When people set themselves in a position that 90 percent of deer shot by them will end up on my property to harvest I find an issue with that. I would spend every opening weekend walking them around my property instead of hunting. Negative, either you haven't hunted enough or you have entirely had the rarity of consistent and ALWAYS the same after the shot experiences. I've had deer peel off after being shot and make one gigantic loop before dying 20 yards from where the shot was, I've them dead sprint back the direction they came, dead spring away from impact side, all kinds of reactions to shots (all bow just a note incase wondering). How can you even begin to place a percent or predict the number of deer shot and how many will expire or cross onto your property? Maybe you're a better hunter than I am, I am still what I would consider a youngin' in this game so take it as a grain of salt if so. I sense that truly this is all boiling down to you disagree with your neighbor's or at the least hate the idea of them killing deer you wish to yourself whether that is this year or in 4 years when they're a 5 year old stud...whatever it may be I'd urge you to reconsider that thought process. I think we all struggle with it...trust me I get it, I had multiple cameras stolen this year, a stand stolen, filed numerous police reports and dealt with a guy hunting the line about 40 yards to my East at one property....a neighbor at another property that will ride his quad along the line should he see we are hunting....and it goes on and on. I get the frustration, it is alive and well within me and used to get the best of me. However, one has to understand it is 100% legal to put a stand anywhere on a property that they have permission to be on. If facing your way or concern is present be respectful but open up a line of communication with the neighboring hunter, remain respectful or YOU will be the "idiot" in his posts or discussions with others. Unless we confirm illegal activity or unethical practices we cannot assume there will be some. With your mindset I'd say you have 2 options in my humble opinion:
#1 Build a blockade/wall...either put up a tall fence or put in a natural one (hinge cut/plantings and such)
#2 Take up fishing and give up on hunting.It isn't worth the wasted stress and energy to your mindset, it makes hunting extremely exhausting and removes the fun. Go back to hunting as smart as you can and embracing every moment of it. There are no promises or guarantees in hunting....embrace them when the good times come and learn from the bad times. Oh, and no you wouldn't waste your entire opening weekend, inform them if one is shot no recovery will happen till the sunset that day as you and your family wish to hunt. Not season ending for either side and the meat won't spoil unless unusually warm that day and if so than it is your decision to respect the animal for recovery or disrespect it. Blessings brother and good luck with your decisions moving forward.
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Post by jjas on Feb 15, 2016 15:48:33 GMT -5
tynimiller
I don't disagree with #1, if it is feasible....but instead of #2, I have to wonder is he's having issues with gun hunters, bow hunters or both.
If it's primarily gun hunters, I would spend my time bow hunting, leave my woods alone during the firearms season and hope the deer used it as a sanctuary to escape the pressure.
Sometimes you just have to try and make lemonade.......
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Post by hubcap72 on Feb 15, 2016 16:03:47 GMT -5
I get it. Been hunting 30 years. Man that's hard to say! It is hard to paint a picture in a paragraph. Guy clears 20 acres of woods now only owns open 200 acre field. Places four to five guys on edge of field waiting on deer to step out of my woods, that's if they're hunting legal. Shoots them they always run right back in. Frustrating. That's all. 1/2 mile of woods I can't get closer than 50 yards to my line or standing underneath one of them. I could put up with one or two a season. Last year 4 on first day.
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Post by jimstc on Feb 15, 2016 16:11:47 GMT -5
I own my land as does my neighbor. His permanent stand is less than 75 yards from my tree stand and one of my blinds. He has 360 degree shooting lines as do I. We get along fine. I have helped him track a deer that crossed onto my land and I have asked permission to retrieve a buck that I shot that expired on his land. The essence of being a neighbor is being helpful when help is needed. I always ask permission as does he. It is not as if deer season is one day. Obviously it isn't. It gives us both ample time to harvest what we want or need. We have been neighbors for 19 years. Never had a cross word. We both enhance the habitat on our land to attract and hold deer, You might consider the same. Living in the country involves a commitment to be a good neighbor. You never know when you might need some help. Just my way, but I don't alienate neighbors by having a bad attitude.
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 15, 2016 16:18:23 GMT -5
I get it. Been hunting 30 years. Man that's hard to say! It is hard to paint a picture in a paragraph. Guy clears 20 acres of woods now only owns open 200 acre field. Places four to five guys on edge of field waiting on deer to step out of my woods, that's if they're hunting legal. Shoots them they always run right back in. Frustrating. That's all. 1/2 mile of woods I can't get closer than 50 yards to my line or standing underneath one of them. I could put up with one or two a season. Last year 4 on first day. That sucks, hate running shots out of someone not practiced in them (very very few take the time to be). I concur with JJ look into taking up Bow hunting...but also consider the natural fence or sight line blocking. Also consider what more you can do to make the deer vacate the empty field early (before legal light rises) and wait till after it sets in the evening. You can never stop deer from doing as they may, but habitat improvements can make it less desirable for them to leave your place unless in the dark. Just a thought.
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Post by chubwub on Feb 15, 2016 16:33:27 GMT -5
I would hate this rule. I basically would not be able to safely hunt the small parcel my husband owns if this rule was in place. I have a stand set up about 40 yards from the property line, with my back to the driveway of a house behind me of an 80 year old woman who lives there, who frequently has grandkids over and whatnot. I have purposely set it up this way so that during firearm season, I can fire in any direction of our property and have a safe backstop because I am facing land that is going uphill and can also keep an eye on the house behind me to make sure a kid doesn't accidentally wander over on our side while playing and This setup also gives me the best chance of killing a deer and having it drop right in the middle of our property.
No one has had an issue with it yet, and the lady next door is a vegetarian of all things.
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Post by hunthard4 on Feb 15, 2016 16:46:03 GMT -5
No to this rule. I hunt property lines and follow all laws. Neighbors and I get along fine. He let me track two this year. Also you say if their attitude was different from "if it's brown its down" you may feel differently. Well as long as they aren't breaking any laws then I don't see how you can tell them how to hunt. And I hope one day you don't shoot one from your 50 yard rule and it happens to go 55 yards onto this guys property. You may only get to take a picture. I'm not defending this guy but mutual respect goes far in the hunting world.
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Post by trapperdave on Feb 15, 2016 17:05:48 GMT -5
Your giving hunters a lot of credit. I am 95 percent sure most hunters that set up on fencelines will shoot across fence when that certaion Buck is seen. I would rather not risk my safety on my neighbors ethics. There needs to be a law in place in my opinion. If you disagree it's probably because your crowding your neighboring property. No, I disagree because its MY property and I will sit anywhere on it I damn well please! I hunt my edges leaving the middle of property as a sanctuary. Neighbor has his stand ten yards from my line....never had an issue with him shooting on my side. Your fears are no reason to legislate the rest of us on our own parcels!
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Post by fowlhunter on Feb 15, 2016 17:26:10 GMT -5
I am having issues with neighbors setting up blinds or stands on my property lines. This shrinks my acreage I am able to hunt safely with my children. I'm proposing 50 yard setbacks from property lines to give more distance between neighbors. Opinions? No offense but you asked for opinions. This is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard and thankfully it has zero chance of ever becoming law.
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