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Post by mbogo on Dec 28, 2005 10:06:54 GMT -5
Thats the wonderful thing about living in the United States, you don't have to spend a grand on someplace to hunt if you don't want to. You are free to choose to spend less or more or none at all, but once you've made your choice don't begrudge others that choose differently.
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Post by gobblerstopper on Dec 28, 2005 10:42:57 GMT -5
So tell us something good about leasing. Something everyone on this board can say is good. I get to take my 10 year old nephew to some of the best turkey woods in southern Indiana, don't have to worry about other hunters and it doesn't cost him a dime. He gets to learn the rights and wrongs of turkey hunting without someone else messing us up. If we want to sit and work a bird while there are three or four other birds gobbling, then we can do that. Sounds pretty good to me. Complaining about the price of leases is pretty much a waste of time, IMO. Landowners are getting these prices simply because someone is willing to pay it. There is always going to be someone with more money than you and I. If you can't afford to buy land, can't find good private ground and don't want to hunt public ground, let me know the other options other than leasing?
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Dec 28, 2005 11:26:00 GMT -5
I have to agree with mbogo. It's sad, but money talks when it comes to securing a private farm to hunt. Sure there is public ground & free private farms to hunt, but the quality of the hunting is generally lower & much less safer during firearms seasons due to the number of hunters using the same prime turf in these areas. I do not like paying to hunt any better than than the rest of you, but there are some real advantages to me personally that make hunting much more enjoyable & relaxing. Offering free labor for farm chores is sometimes as welcome as money to the farmer & may just close the deal for you to hunt the farm. 1. Less hunter activity in the woods. 2. Safer hunting environment during firearms seasons. 2. Less hunter pressure & less spooked game. 3. Less vandalism & theft of vehicles & tree stands. 4. ATV accessability. 5. Year around food & water sources for game. 6. Year around game sightings of quality, quanity, & activity patterns compliments of the farmer's daily routine on the property. 7. Your presence helps the farmer to be aware of & deal with any possible tresspassing as you become an extra set of eyes on his property. 8. Last, but not least you have the opportunity to do some private habitat & game management for improved hunting.
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Post by drs on Dec 28, 2005 11:33:21 GMT -5
The TIME has come when we Sportsmen & Women need to petition our State(s) government, and try to outlaw this unfair pratice of Leasing land for hunting. It has gotten out of hand and something need to be done. I know many have their own land and I personally have some land too but how about the rest of the Hunters? We need to think about them also if the sport of hunting is to survive. If things keep going the way it is currently only the super rich will be the ONLY Hunters out in the fields, woods, and marshes. Now I've brought this leasing pratice to the attention of our Legislatures but I am only ONE PERSON. You Guys need to write them too! Some you holding lifetime Hunting License might see a day very soon when you won't have any land to use that License or Tags here in Indiana. Unless you are wealthy enough to pay the inflated prices of a Hunting Lease!
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Post by ferb on Dec 28, 2005 12:53:04 GMT -5
This thread has gotten ridiculous. First of all, I am a good friend and hunting partner to the owner of Base Camp and for anyone to accuse him or his business of being a "racket" is just plain ignorance. He is a family man, a responsible hunter and someone I think everyone here would enjoy being around. Price Gouging?? This isn't gasoline...or something we all need to live. This is a leisure activity. If people are paying it..it isn't price gouging. It is called fair market value!! Here is a question. When you bought your bow or gun, did you first ask the store if you could use it for free? Did you ask the state to just give you a license or did you buy it? The thought that land owners shouldn't be allowed to ask for compensation for their land is absolutley wrong. Yes, it is a change. But so is television. Used to be free. Now I pay for a satellite dish so I can have it even better. Still the same "air waves" As for writing to stop this evil plague from sweeping our fine state...that is your right. But, who do you think is leasing this land ? HUNTERS!! Guys like me who live in the heart of INdy and never had access to land. Do you think we might have something to say about it? I am a blue collar worker that lives in a modest home. I make cuts here and there so I can afford a 1200 dollar 120 acre lease. I can access this land whenever I want, I take my daughters and know that no one else will be there. The time I spend in the woods, with my daughters or just watching deer and turkeys is worth every bit of 1200 a year. You guys want to disagree...I am fully understand having a different view. But for you to talk about life like it was still 1945 and then accuse someone else of false advertising is childish and completely uninformed.
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Post by drs on Dec 28, 2005 13:49:15 GMT -5
This thread has gotten ridiculous. First of all, I am a good friend and hunting partner to the owner of Base Camp and for anyone to accuse him or his business of being a "racket" is just plain ignorance. He is a family man, a responsible hunter and someone I think everyone here would enjoy being around. Price Gouging?? This isn't gasoline...or something we all need to live. This is a leisure activity. If people are paying it..it isn't price gouging. It is called fair market value!! Here is a question. When you bought your bow or gun, did you first ask the store if you could use it for free? Did you ask the state to just give you a license or did you buy it? The thought that land owners shouldn't be allowed to ask for compensation for their land is absolutley wrong. Yes, it is a change. But so is television. Used to be free. Now I pay for a satellite dish so I can have it even better. Still the same "air waves" As for writing to stop this evil plague from sweeping our fine state...that is your right. But, who do you think is leasing this land ? HUNTERS!! Guys like me who live in the heart of INdy and never had access to land. Do you think we might have something to say about it? I am a blue collar worker that lives in a modest home. I make cuts here and there so I can afford a 1200 dollar 120 acre lease. I can access this land whenever I want, I take my daughters and know that no one else will be there. The time I spend in the woods, with my daughters or just watching deer and turkeys is worth every bit of 1200 a year. You guys want to disagree...I am fully understand having a different view. But for you to talk about life like it was still 1945 and then accuse someone else of false advertising is childish and completely uninformed. HI ferb, Welcome to the forum. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) You state that this person, who run or owns that Leasing company is a good friend. Does he charge you? Also we're not saying he is a bad person or anything like that at all, and none of us here are "plain ignorance" either. Most or some of us feel that if the game animals belong to the people of Indiana, there should not be any attempt of someone or Business to lock them up in a hunting lease situation and charge an outragious amount to hunt game animals that Hunter pay for through buying licenses, and hunting eauipment that require an excise tax. As for a price of a Gun one usually buys a gun to use over a period of years. When one leases a ground for hunting he has to pay EACH year for that lease. The Gun may cost $500 or more but that is one time and he also pays excise tax, whereas a lease he must fork out $500 or more for ONE YEAR! This kind of gouging by a leasing business must stop and in my opinion is unlawful whenit involves Game Animals or ANY wildlife that is OWNED by the Good Citizens of Indiana. Fair Market value??? NOT!!!
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Post by shinglemonkey on Dec 28, 2005 15:25:08 GMT -5
We have control of 800 acres of Woods that I can not and will not put money into to purchase. But it is worth it to me to pay 2500 a year so that my family and friends can hunt there with out the pressure of other hunters.
DRS does it come down to you just dont have the disposable income for leasing?
I could pay 4k and go hunting for 7 days out to Montana or pay 2500k for 365 days.....thats not really a good example as I do both:)
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Post by shinglemonkey on Dec 28, 2005 15:33:13 GMT -5
Wow,you might of gone off the deep end. you are going to tell a landowner what he can do with his land? The TIME has come when we Sportsmen & Women need to petition our State(s) government, and try to outlaw this unfair pratice of Leasing land for hunting. It has gotten out of hand and something need to be done. I know many have their own land and I personally have some land too but how about the rest of the Hunters? We need to think about them also if the sport of hunting is to survive. If things keep going the way it is currently only the super rich will be the ONLY Hunters out in the fields, woods, and marshes. Now I've brought this leasing pratice to the attention of our Legislatures but I am only ONE PERSON. You Guys need to write them too! Some you holding lifetime Hunting License might see a day very soon when you won't have any land to use that License or Tags here in Indiana. Unless you are wealthy enough to pay the inflated prices of a Hunting Lease!
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Post by ferb on Dec 28, 2005 15:35:24 GMT -5
Thanks for the welcome and I appreciate the mature debate. Of course my friend does not charge me. We hunt on my lease and/or his. You have to understand...he isn't a salesman at all. He is providing me and many others like me an invaluable service. He puts me together with land owners that will sell me the rights to hunt on their land. Nothing more. No animals are ever locked into a lease. They are all fair chase and free to roam to other parcels of land where the hunters are hunting on a handshake and free pie. What does it matter how many times you pay for this. What if I paid my fee up front. 10 years of hunting for 10,000. Would that make you feel better? The lost subject here is the landowners rights. He/she have every right to prosper from their land by selling the "opportunity" to pursue game!
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Post by ferb on Dec 28, 2005 15:36:31 GMT -5
Jason...give me a call or email me your number.
ferb55@hotmail.com
I am trying to put together an Idaho bear hunt for April and need your input.
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Post by drs on Dec 28, 2005 15:41:09 GMT -5
Wow,you might of gone off the deep end. you are going to tell a landowner what he can do with his land? The TIME has come when we Sportsmen & Women need to petition our State(s) government, and try to outlaw this unfair pratice of Leasing land for hunting. It has gotten out of hand and something need to be done. I know many have their own land and I personally have some land too but how about the rest of the Hunters? We need to think about them also if the sport of hunting is to survive. If things keep going the way it is currently only the super rich will be the ONLY Hunters out in the fields, woods, and marshes. Now I've brought this leasing pratice to the attention of our Legislatures but I am only ONE PERSON. You Guys need to write them too! Some you holding lifetime Hunting License might see a day very soon when you won't have any land to use that License or Tags here in Indiana. Unless you are wealthy enough to pay the inflated prices of a Hunting Lease!NO, But a Landowner should not be able to dictate the sport of Hunting. Wildlife belongs to the People of Indiana <Period> No one is proposing telling what the landowner can do on his property but when it comes to wildlife he DOES NOT OWN THEM. If a time comes when no one is able to hunt due to costs, what will the state do with a booming Deer herd??? Have the National Guard shoot the deer? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png)
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Post by shinglemonkey on Dec 28, 2005 15:42:03 GMT -5
sean 317-319-8532
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Post by drs on Dec 28, 2005 15:45:21 GMT -5
DRS does it come down to you just dont have the disposable income for leasing?
Let me assure you I do have the money; however a great majority do not have the money to lease every year. AGAIN, this leasing is in my opinion unlawful.
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Post by drs on Dec 28, 2005 15:51:08 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 28, 2005 15:59:25 GMT -5
Now, should there be a "leasing business" or not? Lots of "salemen" make allowances for friends, family and "buddies". It is money out of their pockets, not anyone else's. Now with that being said I do have very mixed emotions about leasing and where it will lead. BUT - leasing hunting rights is becoming a fact of life. We can squawk all we want, but it will not change....it will only get worse. Believe me when I say I have done a lot of squawking in the past. You're poking at a windmill drs...
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Post by drs on Dec 28, 2005 16:25:11 GMT -5
Now, should there be a "leasing business" or not? Lots of "salemen" make allowances for friends, family and "buddies". It is money out of their pockets, not anyone else's. Now with that being said I do have very mixed emotions about leasing and where it will lead. BUT - leasing hunting rights is becoming a fact of life. We can squawk all we want, but it will not change....it will only get worse. Believe me when I say I have done a lot of squawking in the past. You're poking at a windmill drs... Okay then, I guess the majority is okay with the process of being "Gouged". But let me remind all that one of these bright shiny opening days; you'll get up and have no place to use that Hunting tag or License or even that Lifetime Hunting License. To me this leasing is counter productive to our DNR wildlife programs. If these individuals want to establish a Hunting Preserve, pay taxes & a shooting preserve permit, hire a crew of workers and a Biologist full time, then they have that right. But if they charge Hunters to hunt game owned by the State then this is unlawful and ought to be stopped.
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Post by shinglemonkey on Dec 28, 2005 17:19:26 GMT -5
Theres somthing personal about your ramblins drs, Were you hurt as a child by a lease holder? ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) Hunting is not a neccesity of life, it is a luxury. A hurricane going thru indiana and destroying all the roofs and I jack up my price 300% is gouging. I say 2500 to hunt a piece of property is cheap.
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Post by ferb on Dec 28, 2005 21:00:45 GMT -5
I will never wake up one shiny day and have no place to hunt. That is my point. I will hunt my lease!
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Post by lymanl3 on Dec 28, 2005 23:52:59 GMT -5
my .02....I agree with both sides somewhat...I hunt a lease and enjoy every bit of it. Why did I chose to lease the same ground I hunted for 18yrs? SAFETY!!!!!My partners and I obtained the lease for our families to enjoy, and hunt responsibly. I can count numerous times morons shot in my direction as I walked towards my stand, or people walking around in the middle of gun season with NO orange on. METH?? Did I mention METH? This was the first year our ground didnt sound like a battle field, and I appreciate all the help and support from the CO's. The CO's were very helpful and responsive.
Now, did we get flack from those who tresspassed all the years...why yes! People still tear down our signs, but a great deal of honest people call the number listed and ask for permission. I have to tell them no, but I respect their honesty and A LOT of the times, people say "I understand and I would have done the same". We were granted the lease to help keep people out, post it and monitor the ground because people were driving through fields destroying crops, cooking meth and trashing the place.
Now there are areas I cannot hunt anymore as well becasue of leasing. The price, LOL...I have to cut back on extras as well, but it helps with a group. I even feel that I may be eliminating some young kids chance to get his first buck, or catfish like I did 20yrs ago. Hopefully (and the plans are in the making) It will be est as a non-profit org and we can host some youth outings.
My opinions are just that. There are pros and cons to everything. I hate to see that money dictates, but its inevitible. Hate to say it, but leasing is where its headed and there is no way around it.
Lyman
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Post by drs on Dec 29, 2005 7:24:50 GMT -5
I will never wake up one shiny day and have no place to hunt. That is my point. I will hunt my lease! That's brecause you belong to the "I GOT MINE" crowd. You care less about your fellow Hunters and the Sport of Hunting itself.
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