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Post by drs on Dec 27, 2005 10:54:26 GMT -5
The farm is over 3000 acres but the money basecamp is asking is unbelieveable. It's good property, but not the best I've been on. They split it up into several smaller leases. A couple of them are just plain false advertising ! I hope (kinda) that if someone pays to hunt 2 or 3 of the leases offered they look at it first. One is nothing more than 100 + acres with 2 fence rows running through it. "plenty of room to spread out" is what basecamp says about it ! Another has a drainage ditch running through it and it talks about it being a waterfowlers paradise ! I've never seen a duck or goose on it. Still another says it would be good for a father son team. It again is nothing more than fence rows and edges of someone elses woods. Leasing also plays into the whole antlerless tag b.s. The state sets antlerless goals and people from out of state or people leasing in general don't weant to shoot Does on property the are paying for in hopes of tagging a stud wall hanger. Basecamp touts Parke county Indiana as the next Pyke county IL...Unfortunately with the leasing going on, I believe at least that part of it to be true. Getting permission to hunt without paying will soon become a thing of the past. Sure sounds like this outfit "Base camp leasing.com" is a regular racket. I am wondering if there would be some legal clause, in the State's law, or something on the books that would make this leasing pratice land for hunting illegal. I can see a small fee charged for hunting on a private farm but certainly no hunt is worth $3,000 per year! I think we hunter, if we are interested in NOT seeing our sport die out due to price gouging,. should let our legislatures know. I have written them on several occasions concerning this leasing racket, but I am just one person. How about it Guys? Would you take time to write the State's legislature or even the Governor. Other State residents should do the same in their state also. SOMETHING MUST BE DONE NOW!
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Post by hornzilla on Dec 27, 2005 11:45:59 GMT -5
I'm sooooo glad that I own ground, That way my kids will have some where to go when there grown up.
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Post by hunter7x on Dec 27, 2005 11:51:46 GMT -5
DRS
I agree and am absolutely willing to voice my opinion.
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Post by drs on Dec 27, 2005 11:52:46 GMT -5
I'm sooooo glad that I own ground, That way my kids will have some where to go when there grown up. I have 15 acres of my own land on which to hunt; plus I have a very good family friend up in Daviess Co. who allows me to hunt "FREE" and would never think to charge me. Also have a Family Friend in KY who also wouldn't think of charging me a lease fee. So how many acres do you own?
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Post by drs on Dec 27, 2005 11:55:10 GMT -5
DRS I agree and am absolutely willing to voice my opinion. Thanks, "hunter7X" We Hunters are going to have to start making our voices heard in the State Government; or we will loose our hunting. The time has come to quit "bickering" over petty things and start uniting.
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Post by hunter7x on Dec 27, 2005 12:07:34 GMT -5
So how do we do that ?
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Post by kevin1 on Dec 27, 2005 12:18:41 GMT -5
I don't lease , never have , and never will . I consider it a total waste of money and entirely unnecessary . Renting land will never be as secure as buying it , and there are plenty of free places to hunt if you just look for them .
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Post by dlawrence on Dec 27, 2005 13:41:31 GMT -5
I don't think it's greed. How about if all the workers at General Motors take a pay cut so my next car won't cost as much. If a guy has a legal way to make a buck, go for it. I don't want to pay to hunt either, but that's what it's coming to.
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Post by hunter7x on Dec 27, 2005 13:51:08 GMT -5
I don't think it's greed. How about if all the workers at General Motors take a pay cut so my next car won't cost as much. If a guy has a legal way to make a buck, go for it. I don't want to pay to hunt either, but that's what it's coming to. Not trying to pick on you dlawrence, but I am going to use your statement as an example. Lets put our heads together and see what can be done about this instead of having that kind of attitude. "I don't want to pay to hunt either, but that's what it's coming to"
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Post by drs on Dec 27, 2005 15:20:35 GMT -5
Start by writing your Represenative's office in Indianapolis. Or write the Governor's office.
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Post by drs on Dec 27, 2005 15:22:51 GMT -5
I don't lease , never have , and never will . I consider it a total waste of money and entirely unnecessary . Renting land will never be as secure as buying it , and there are plenty of free places to hunt if you just look for them . I agree, kevin1, 110%!!
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Post by drs on Dec 27, 2005 15:34:57 GMT -5
I don't think it's greed. How about if all the workers at General Motors take a pay cut so my next car won't cost as much. If a guy has a legal way to make a buck, go for it. I don't want to pay to hunt either, but that's what it's coming to. Hi dlawrence, While it may not be totally greed, but there is alot of that going around. I guess it's just Human Nature. But if there exist a way to stop this negative aspect so Sport Hunting can be enjoyed by the average sportsman; it should be persuade. Also a "Wage cut" in the auto worker's pay doesn't necessarly mean lower prices for cars. What you can do is write your state represenative and tell him or her you want them to look into this "Leasing" Hunting ground price gouging going on, and that you don't want some big money organization to go in and take over all the good hunting areas and charge you an arm & a leg to hunt.
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Post by mbogo on Dec 28, 2005 7:03:17 GMT -5
The supposed "evils" of leasing have been rehashed over and over again, but never once during this agonizing is it mentioned that without leasing many hunters would not have any land to hunt. Never once is it mentioned that the price of hunting is comparatively cheap when compared to other sports or hobbies, nor is it ever mentioned that owning your own property is one of the best investments you can make, for you and your kids. Rarely has anyone said that it is better to be able to hunt a property for a price than to not be able to hunt it at all.
It would be nice if a smile and handshake were still enough for everyone to get all the prime hunting land they could ever want but with more and more land being developed, that is becoming less likely all the time.
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Post by drs on Dec 28, 2005 7:54:04 GMT -5
The supposed "evils" of leasing have been rehashed over and over again, but never once during this agonizing is it mentioned that without leasing many hunters would not have any land to hunt. Never once is it mentioned that the price of hunting is comparatively cheap when compared to other sports or hobbies, nor is it ever mentioned that owning your own property is one of the best investments you can make, for you and your kids. Rarely has anyone said that it is better to be able to hunt a property for a price than to not be able to hunt it at all. It would be nice if a smile and handshake were still enough for everyone to get all the prime hunting land they could ever want but with more and more land being developed, that is becoming less likely all the time. Leasing land, inorder to have a place to hunt is okay in SOME places. But the rate that is charged to Hunters is no more than price gouging. Not all landowners do this though. YEP! I remember a time lot too long ago when all one had to do to secure a place to hunt is just ask permission. I grew up in a time when leasing was unheard of. You're correct inthat more and more land is being developed and we have far less land to hunt then say 20 years ago. I think we are rapidly seeing hunting, as we know it, comming to an end. It is just getting to expensive and so much red tape to cut through that this is a limiting factor that will keep many out of the sport of hunting.
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Post by hunter7x on Dec 28, 2005 8:21:19 GMT -5
"The supposed "evils" of leasing"
So tell us something good about leasing. Something everyone on this board can say is good.
While owning your own land is the best way, not everyone and actually I would say most hunters don't have the financial means or the credit and/or whatever it takes to buy their own land. I'm sorry but see nothing at all good from leasing... Unless you're the lease agent or landowner.
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Post by Indyhunter on Dec 28, 2005 9:14:53 GMT -5
Never once is it mentioned that the price of hunting is comparatively cheap when compared to other sports or hobbies, What? I don't see anyone spending $10,000 for a pick up game of basketball for the year.
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Post by mbogo on Dec 28, 2005 9:22:43 GMT -5
The supply of hunting land is low and as long as the demand is high, prices will be too. This is not price gouging, this is simple supply and demand.
Certainly not everyone can afford to buy their own land and that is where leasing comes in. Leasing allows hunters to have the sense and benefits of land ownership without the greater required investment of actual land ownership. I would think that having land to hunt would be something most people would see as a good thing.
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Post by trapperdave on Dec 28, 2005 9:42:54 GMT -5
Not everyone can afford to drop a grand or better for someplace to hunt. That makes for some mighty expensive venison.
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Post by slimjim on Dec 28, 2005 9:56:04 GMT -5
I have always despised the practice of leasing. The wild game belongs to the state and it seems unfair that it can locked up by a lease so that it is useable by only a few. Land owners have rights of course but it still seems like we pay for habitat restoration, restocking, and game law enforcement for all sportsmen and the rewards are reaped by a few. When land prices were within reason I was trying to raise a family and didn't have the money to spend on leasure time. Is it fair that my children and grandchildren will suffer for my financial short commings. What state government should realize is who's going to pay for the care of our wildlife when there are only a few who can afford to hunt. Slim
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Post by bigballer on Dec 28, 2005 10:05:01 GMT -5
My question is. If you lease the land and plant some trees on the land or something like that you don't have to buy the license to hunt the land. Your only paying for the trees and the lease. You and your party can hunt it without having to buy the license. Is this right? Like if you went with 10 hunters and got a lease on 250 acres for $1,200 then they are just paying $120 each for all the hunting they can do on the land. I think that's right if I'm wrong please help me understand that better. Thanks
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