ferb
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Post by ferb on Dec 29, 2005 7:47:08 GMT -5
Oh boy. Now youve done it. I continue to get on here with no intention of replying and you continue to "gouge" me with your liberal viewpoints.
First. I am about the "I got mine" crowd. Yes, I am. I work hard for my money and I decide how to allocate it. A priority for me is to have a quality, safe place for ME AND MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS to hunt. That is my choice. I don't owe you anything.
Second, I don't care about hunting? How would you know? I believed in the need for a indiana hunting website to the point I designed, hosted and spent several thousand dollars of my own money on another site that this one came from. (ask any of the people responding here...its true.) After 2 years of running I sold it to the IDHA who now runs it. I took a large loss on the deal, so that all hunters could enjoy it. Including narrow minded people who think hunting and land access are birthrights. Do the work, make the money and get your own. That is my right.
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Post by drs on Dec 29, 2005 7:54:07 GMT -5
Theres somthing personal about your ramblins drs, Were you hurt as a child by a lease holder? Hunting is not a neccesity of life, it is a luxury. A hurricane going thru indiana and destroying all the roofs and I jack up my price 300% is gouging. I say 2500 to hunt a piece of property is cheap. I agree with you that hunting is not a necessity to maintain life. However it (or was) a favored past time for many. That is untill the sport of hunting has become what it is today. NO, I wasn't "hurt" by a Hunting Lease personally, but many Hunters have. By the tone of your posts it sounds like you have a Lifetime License and a Hunting Lease, and you belong to the "I GOT MINE" Crowd, meaning you don't care about your fellow sportsmen or the sport of hunting itself, the was it use to be.
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Post by drs on Dec 29, 2005 7:57:07 GMT -5
Oh boy. Now youve done it. I continue to get on here with no intention of replying and you continue to "gouge" me with your liberal viewpoints. First. I am about the "I got mine" crowd. Yes, I am. I work hard for my money and I decide how to allocate it. A priority for me is to have a quality, safe place for ME AND MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS to hunt. That is my choice. I don't owe you anything. Second, I don't care about hunting? How would you know? I believed in the need for a indiana hunting website to the point I designed, hosted and spent several thousand dollars of my own money on another site that this one came from. (ask any of the people responding here...its true.) After 2 years of running I sold it to the IDHA who now runs it. I took a large loss on the deal, so that all hunters could enjoy it. Including narrow minded people who think hunting and land access are birthrights. Do the work, make the money and get your own. That is my right. WOW! I must have struck a raw nerve!! THE TRUTH HURTS, DOESN'T IT?
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Post by duff on Dec 29, 2005 7:57:18 GMT -5
I have to agree that the Base Camp Leasing prices seem to be pretty steep. But if people are willing to pay those prices the price will remain where it is. It is supply and demand.
Recently I have been thinking of leasing some ground for hunting rights. I know I can't afford the ones listed in B.C.L. but if I try to get it set up on my own then I feel I could pay a fair price for the right.
What is the difference if a land owner gives exclusive rights to 1 group/person or leases it out to 1 group/person. They didn't TAKE any extra opportunity away from others. You could look at it by saying it might save hunting, just as easily as you say it will destroy it.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 29, 2005 7:58:45 GMT -5
I do believe that almost everyone here can vouch for Ferb and say Ferb has MORE than paid his dues to the hunting fraternity.
DRS,
You tend to classify people that don't agree with you. I've learned a long time ago to put away the big paint brush when discussing any topic on a forum.
You can NOT automatically assume that people that don't agree with you have the motives that you try to assign to them
I don't like leasing and can see where it can all end up. I can also undertsand why people DO lease and why farmers and landowners want poeple to lease from them. And it is NOT all about money.
Put away the big paint brush for awhile..
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Post by drs on Dec 29, 2005 8:02:40 GMT -5
Hey Woody,
I can see this thread is going to end up as one of those types were nothing is going to be solved. Too many raw nerves and chains being pulled here. SO.... if those, who currently hunt and are being charged to hunt on private property, and are satified with the rates they are paying, more power to them. I was talking to another friend who lives in Western Ky in Graves Co. and I now have another 300 acres on which to hunt FOR FREE NO LEASE!!
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Post by duff on Dec 29, 2005 8:11:33 GMT -5
DRS do you open up all your hunting access to the masses that lost their hunting rights to leasing? You are a land owner do you let anybody who ask for permission to hunt?
Ferb did set up HH.com and by reading his post over the last 5 or so years I would guess that he is a pretty decent guy. Your attacks and rants are getting old.
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Post by drs on Dec 29, 2005 8:15:10 GMT -5
Hey Duff,
Every Landowner has the right to say who can & who cannot hunt on their land. However there are SOME Landowners that are taking advantage of the average sportsman by charging just a little too much. You say this will save hunting? I think it will do more harm than save it. If the number of Hunters contine to decline the State will loose money to maintain what they already have in public hunting areas. Sporting Goods & Gun shops will suffer as well as who is going t buy a new gun or other related products if there is no hunting areas available, but only to the Wealthy Hunters? I wish everyone here would understand the problem we all are facing; with big outfits buying up farmland and leasing it out to the highest bidder or charging an unrealistic fee per year. The State(s) really need to start looking into this as it will only get worse. Like I said, in an earlier post, If these leasing Clubs or Businesses want to establish a shooting/hunting preserve that is private, they should hve to buy a license or permit to do so, pay taxes, hire the necessary staff full time and a Biologist full time also. Also for the record I am NOT a Liberal!
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Post by hunter7x on Dec 29, 2005 8:16:31 GMT -5
This thread has gotten ridiculous. First of all, I am a good friend and hunting partner to the owner of Base Camp and for anyone to accuse him or his business of being a "racket" is just plain ignorance. He is a family man, a responsible hunter and someone I think everyone here would enjoy being around. Price Gouging?? This isn't gasoline...or something we all need to live. This is a leisure activity. If people are paying it..it isn't price gouging. It is called fair market value!! Here is a question. When you bought your bow or gun, did you first ask the store if you could use it for free? Did you ask the state to just give you a license or did you buy it? The thought that land owners shouldn't be allowed to ask for compensation for their land is absolutley wrong. Yes, it is a change. But so is television. Used to be free. Now I pay for a satellite dish so I can have it even better. Still the same "air waves" As for writing to stop this evil plague from sweeping our fine state...that is your right. But, who do you think is leasing this land ? HUNTERS!! Guys like me who live in the heart of INdy and never had access to land. Do you think we might have something to say about it? I am a blue collar worker that lives in a modest home. I make cuts here and there so I can afford a 1200 dollar 120 acre lease. I can access this land whenever I want, I take my daughters and know that no one else will be there. The time I spend in the woods, with my daughters or just watching deer and turkeys is worth every bit of 1200 a year. You guys want to disagree...I am fully understand having a different view. But for you to talk about life like it was still 1945 and then accuse someone else of false advertising is childish and completely uninformed. Sorry if my statements hit too close to home, but they were neither childish or misinformed. I hunted for several years on some land your friend signed a lease on recently. I know the land like the back of my hand and several statements on the web site are just to make the land look more inviting to potential customers. That is an educated statement. I never questioned your friends family values or hunting practices. I never mentioned price gouging. In my opinion, leasing wheather it be basecamp or anyone else is not good for the future of hunting and in my opinion anyone promoting it is making money at the expense of the heritage of hunting. As far as who is leasing the land? Occording to what basecamp told the landowner I know, it is OUT OF STATE hunters. "Guys from Chicago" who will only hunt 3 days a year. Thats not a hunter like me. "hunters" like you who never had access to land ? Who does ? Unless you buy it, none of us had access to land until we put in some time and got permission and then did all the things people have posted on here. Make sure the landowner is happy, help with chores, share the bounty, send him a Christmas card. Have you done any of this with your lease or just sign a check? I honestly can see your point of view. Mine is just different. We must come from a very different hunting background. I don't think anyone who voiced an opinion thinks it's still 1945, (the deer hunting wasn't this good back then) but I don't think we want to jump into the future of hunting as fast as some. That future doesn't look too promising for my sons, how about your daughters ? Yes guys like you will have something to say about it if anyone tries to stop it, and unfortunately like so many other things, whoever has the most money will come out ahead. Oh and "This is a leisure activity"... just like the t-shirts say,it's MUCH more important than that to me ! lol
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Post by wapahiti on Dec 29, 2005 8:24:41 GMT -5
I have leased land since 92. With our lease we were able to build a cabin on the property. I am able to use the property 365 days a year. We are able to camp, fish and hunt. I can plant a garden. I could do food plots. I can enjoy photography. I use the ground just like I own it. I don't have to pay taxes on it. I don't lose any money from crop damage and I can afford it where I could never buy 350 acres. I am not leasing the deer they are free to come and go. My lease is cheaper than a campsite for a summer. I take my kids and other kids hunting and camping on this property. We may hold a youth hunt or something like that at some point. This is possible because I lease all rights to the property. I enjoy taking someone new down and setting them up to get their first deer. The cost is very cheap for the enjoyment I get out of it. I will always lease. We have no fences on the property so we are not keeping the state owned deer from anyone. If one walks across the property line where I don't have permission. It is now subject to be shot by the person with permission or the leaser of that property. Good Luck. Another reason I lease is because of the situations I had in the 80's. I would have permission on a piece of property and then find a tree stand. This hunter would not have permission. I would have to tell the landowner about it. They may or may not do anything. I had no legal right to do anything about it. Some land owners just said no hunting because of squabbles between hunters on who had permission and who didn't. Some land owners just gave anyone that asked permission causing too many hunters their at once. Other land owners would give permission with a notice that a relative will hunt sometimes. Then when you get there He would be in your tree stand. He may have a buddy with him. He may be walking around about 5:30. If this is the way he wants to hunt, fine. I didn’t like it. I can now regulate who is to hunt the lease. I have full legal rights to press charges against trespassers. These are some of the reasons I choose to lease.
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Post by drs on Dec 29, 2005 8:26:06 GMT -5
DRS do you open up all your hunting access to the masses that lost their hunting rights to leasing? You are a land owner do you let anybody who ask for permission to hunt? Ferb did set up HH.com and by reading his post over the last 5 or so years I would guess that he is a pretty decent guy. Your attacks and rants are getting old. Duff, First of all I don't even know this fellow "Ferb" amd I am in no way attacking him personally, but his ( and yours) philosophy regarding the Sport of Hunting differs from mine. I own 15 acres of land inwhich I hunt and had some friends hunt with me there. It is sourrounded by three subdivisions now so I am lmited on where I can safely hunt on my land. The other areas I hunt are open to other hunters, by permission, and they don't have to fork out a great deal of money just to hunt. I am Sorry if I appear to attack anyone here but I have been treated rudely here also. It seems like everytime I bring up an Idea or try to suggest something, I am being insulted by a few members here. I don't have this problem on the other Hunting Forums, that I subscribe to, just the Indiana Forums. Therefor, just to keep the peace, I have nothing more to say on this subject.
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Post by hunter7x on Dec 29, 2005 8:38:04 GMT -5
wapahiti,
What happens to all your hard work when the lease is over What happens when basecamp leasing comes in and offers the landowner 4 or 5 times what you are leasing for right now? Careful with the word never !!
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Post by shinglemonkey on Dec 29, 2005 9:10:51 GMT -5
I have done more than my fair share to open up my lease to people. I will take anyone there hunting all they have to do is ask.
I go bear hunting every spring in Idaho and have taken 12 people from indiana, 7 who have never been hunting outside of Indiana. There total cost, less than 750.00.
I do have a lifetime license, so what, why wouldnt anyone that if going to hunt more than 10 year in the future, just the convience of it is worth it.
Still today if you dont have anyplace to hunt you are Lazy.
I have no less than 10 pieces of property that I can hunt with in a hours drive of Indy. Countless areas in the gibson and pike county area.
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Post by ferb on Dec 29, 2005 9:12:39 GMT -5
Fair enough DRS. This topic always has gotten out of hand, no matter what site you are on. It only illustrates the passions we all have. We differ in our philosophies. Agreed.
Congratulations on your Kentucky ground.
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Post by drs on Dec 29, 2005 9:22:39 GMT -5
Fair enough DRS. This topic always has gotten out of hand, no matter what site you are on. It only illustrates the passions we all have. We differ in our philosophies. Agreed. Congratulations on your Kentucky ground. Thank You very Much, Ferb! Also, for the record, I do not hold any ill feeling toward you or anyother member here. We just happen to have differences of opinion in regards to Hunting & Leasing. <Good Luck To You>
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Post by shinglemonkey on Dec 29, 2005 9:28:09 GMT -5
We are all hunters, and dont really need to be seperated into different groups. Our group as a whole is small enough.
If you want to go hunt my lease next year DRS give me a call.
Take care guys Jason
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Post by wapahiti on Dec 29, 2005 10:36:51 GMT -5
7x. With that in mind I have a twentyfive year lease. I first had a ten year lease when that expired I set it up for another 25 years. If something happens I will adjust and start over. This lease was set up by our lawyers.
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Post by TagTeamHunter on Dec 29, 2005 13:57:47 GMT -5
We are all hunters, and dont really need to be seperated into different groups. Our group as a whole is small enough. If you want to go hunt my lease next year DRS give me a call. Take care guys Jason Well said! During Hunting education the CO stated that 10% are Hunters, 10% are Anti-Hunters and 80% are in the middle. Who will determine the future of hunting? The 80%. We need to present a united front. For the record I hunt on public lands. Yes I have "decided" to leave some areas due to the amount of hunters in the area and the type of hunters. I don't have the funds to buy or lease land. That's my problem. My biggest worry is that the current situation could lead to a drop in younger hunters coming into the sports. I am introducing my son to hunting this season, trying to do my part for the sports. I also plan to get more involved in programs to bring new hunters into the sports. I will also attend public DNR meetings and keep my ears and eyes open for policy matters that could effect hunting. What else can I do? For those who have the funds to buy or lease lands ... Congrats and good luck.
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Post by drs on Dec 30, 2005 7:45:52 GMT -5
You're Welcome, and I hope we answered your question. BTW, I live in Northern Vanderburgh County, and I am guessing you live near Boonville or one of the other towns east of Evansville.
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Post by hunter7x on Dec 30, 2005 8:33:56 GMT -5
THANKS FOR ALL THE GREAT REPLYS TO ALL THAT STAYED ON TOPIC !!!!! AND TO ALL THE **** STIRING THIS IS UNCALLED FOR !!! WOODY YOU CAN DELETE THIS TOPIC IF YOU WANT JUST TO SAVE THE DRAMA FROM THE CHILDREN .... I really must have missed these threads. I thought this went pretty well !?
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