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Post by dadfsr on Mar 22, 2013 8:46:51 GMT -5
Woody-I'm sure that if anyone talked to the fenced operation owners they would be quick to tell you that CWD was brought in by a government plot to close them down....that was the party line I got from the elk farmer down next to where Dan used to live.
Once again-quick to point fingers and blame everyone else.....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2013 9:03:35 GMT -5
Most didn't know about it? Why would the owners of these disease ridden, unethical practice, rule breaking cess pools not keep quiet about what was going on? Bad for the business bottom line if future customers knew the truth. Might as well advertise that if you can't kill one of our fenced in and drugged trophy bucks, we have some girls locked up in a back room. They are full of drugs, so they won't fight back! Hard to find video? Really? This is aprime example why the issue keeps coming back and will until the game farmers win. Most never heard of the Bellar case. Same as most don't get on this web site or any other hunting web site. Bellars preserve was not typical. Find another that uses a 5 acre kill pen or that drugs the animals before they are killed. You can't and legislators know it. And diseases? It simply isn't true. Deer preserves have less disease than has recently beenfound in the wild herd. Legislators know its not true, so does the Animal Board of Health. Keep spreading BS instaed of relying on the truth about this business and the legislators will ahve no choicebut to side with the facts.
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Post by daneowner on Mar 22, 2013 9:04:01 GMT -5
Well said woody, Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2013 9:12:24 GMT -5
Woody-I'm sure that if anyone talked to the fenced operation owners they would be quick to tell you that CWD was brought in by a government plot to close them down....that was the party line I got from the elk farmer down next to where Dan used to live. Once again-quick to point fingers and blame everyone else..... There are aot of unknowns still with CWD but most all cases have been traced to a source. Some have come from game farms, some not.. That's why most states ban import of WT deer into their borders. 5 year monitoring and a clean record seems to be the acceptance level required.
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Post by joeyb on Apr 1, 2013 13:08:03 GMT -5
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Post by marlin44 on Apr 1, 2013 14:25:54 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 1, 2013 17:47:20 GMT -5
I pretty we'll figured it was a done deal. Many years ago there was a phase out compromise offered that would have allowed the shooting preserves to recoop their investments. Not sure if it was the DNR that thumbed that down or not. IIRC correctly these places would be almost history by now. Sometimes when you go all or nothing in negotiations you end up with......nothing.
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Post by marlin44 on Apr 1, 2013 17:55:24 GMT -5
I am somewhat in the loop. Keep fighting and contact your legislators. It is not over yet. Our voice is being heard. This still has 4 more steps before law.
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 1, 2013 18:56:37 GMT -5
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Post by bullwinkle on Apr 1, 2013 20:13:21 GMT -5
Beller vimeo.com/5680646Wild farm raised deer. Check out their buddy the dog www.wthr.com/story/21841117/panel-considers-allowing-fenced-deer-huntingThose legislators that voted for it Ubelhor,Kirchhofer, Heaton, Eberhart, Morris, Morrison have no respect for sportsmen or the DNR. Reguardless of the outcome Sportsmen, if not politically active will have little that they control and neither will the state agency that they thought could control their fate.
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 1, 2013 20:46:50 GMT -5
I just started reading the bill,
Who is "the department" that is referred to?
The preserve owner is required to put up a second 8 foot fence AFTER CWD is found in his preserve? Isn't that closing the barn door after the horse got out? CWD can be transmitted by nose to nose cotact and even through a fence.
Charge by "class of animal"? Trophy fee?
More later.....
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Post by marlin44 on Apr 1, 2013 21:44:30 GMT -5
1967 Colorado 1st case CWD penned deer. 1979 Wyoming 1st case penned deer. 1996 Saskatchewan 1st case penned deer. 1997 South Dakota 1st case penned deer 1998 Montana 1st case penned deer.2006 Kansas 1st case penned deer. 2005 New York penned deer. 2010 Missouri penned deer. 2012 Iowa 1st, 2nd & 3rd penned deer. 2012 Texas penned deer. Same with 23 of the 25 states that have had a mandatory testing program since outbreak. Once it spreads to wild deer there are more, but it seems to be transported into pens first and then spreads. It comes down to profit over principal, so a few can make a profit and destroy our resource.
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Post by marlin44 on Apr 1, 2013 21:52:37 GMT -5
BOAH would be primary agency. DNR to issue breeder permit. It also can be spread through stormwater runnoff into our waterways and retention ponds. New research shows that prion is non degrading in environment. It is contagious for over 30 years in soil. It can be spread in feces of crows. It cant be incenerated @1500 degrees and killed. When it gets here its here for good. Wont matter how high or how many fences they are required to put up it will spread. Big money will always will unless we unite and let our vioce be heard.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 6:04:03 GMT -5
1967 Colorado 1st case CWD penned deer. 1979 Wyoming 1st case penned deer. 1996 Saskatchewan 1st case penned deer. 1997 South Dakota 1st case penned deer 1998 Montana 1st case penned deer.2006 Kansas 1st case penned deer. 2005 New York penned deer. 2010 Missouri penned deer. 2012 Iowa 1st, 2nd & 3rd penned deer. 2012 Texas penned deer. Same with 23 of the 25 states that have had a mandatory testing program since outbreak. Once it spreads to wild deer there are more, but it seems to be transported into pens first and then spreads. It comes down to profit over principal, so a few can make a profit and destroy our resource. I'm sure that no state wants CWD and that they should do everything known to keep it out but it's not the end of the world if it gets in. No state that has it has seen their deer disappear. In fact, most of these states have very good deer herds and deer hunting, some more so than states without CWD. If you take the approach that Wis. used and spend tons of money for a eradication stategy, all you'll do is spend a bunch of money. Lots of misinformation out there about CWD, and that's what most people use to make slant their position on the game farm industry. The only reason that cases of CWD seem higher in game farms is because every animal in there can be ID'd when it dies from CWD, where it can not in the wild. I'd guess that more deer die of other causes each year than die from CWD, in the wild that is. Example would be the recent rash of EHD and the different strains of that disease that have surfaced.
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Post by throbak on Apr 2, 2013 7:21:37 GMT -5
Some on here need Banned fo what they try to sell on a hunting site ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 8:05:20 GMT -5
Some on here need Banned fo what they try to sell on a hunting site ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) Least it isn't BS that your trying to unload. Can you name one state that has had their deer herd devasted by CWD? You can't because it hasn't happened and won't.
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Post by raporter on Apr 2, 2013 8:21:58 GMT -5
Bet the ones that introduced the asian carp thought the same way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 8:31:58 GMT -5
Asian carp is another very unrelated issue. Hundreds of sportsmen benefit from their expansion. Same as wild hogs. It's not all negative, just different than the past. Same point as with the loss of habitat, some animals suffers others benefit.
The game farm issue is one of ethics, not much else.
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Post by tenring on Apr 2, 2013 10:11:30 GMT -5
Wilds hogs benefiting sportsmen? Interesting concept, but needs a bit of justification I would think. What does the board think ?
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Post by dadfsr on Apr 2, 2013 10:20:01 GMT -5
Wilds hogs benefiting sportsmen? Interesting concept, but needs a bit of justification I would think. What does the board think ? There's a reason why Indiana has no closed season on feral hogs-they do NOT want these highly destructive, non-native feral pests!!! The states that have tried to use them as a draw for sportsmen are now paying the price.
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