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Post by duff on Aug 12, 2010 21:08:15 GMT -5
You, me and a blind full of others out there! We lost a heck of a sportsman there! He had some dandy bucks hanging on his wall, along with moose, elk, cariboo, ducks but I don't think he ever had a goose mounted! He had a barn full of toy soldiers though. Even after a year and a half I still look to call him up to see what his birds are doing... I miss being taken to school on the skeet field. You can the bet the farm that wherever he is, he's sitting right smack in the middle of the X. Ain't that the truth!
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 13, 2010 15:56:55 GMT -5
Do you thuink that we could replicate what the park hunts do if we had 1 hunter for every 18-20 acres all across the state?
From the park hunt report..
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Post by mrfixit on Aug 13, 2010 17:38:08 GMT -5
It sounds to me like someone is trying to spin this mess to make sense except this spin makes even less sense.
On several other boards I'm still waiting to hear when the bow hunters are going to pick up some of the slack and quit watching does go by in hopes of a big buck following. The only thing they can seem to come up with is archery season is "recreation".
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Post by mrfixit on Aug 13, 2010 17:41:00 GMT -5
It sucks because I used to think of all hunting as "recreation". Lately it seems gun/muzzle loader has become the new "work" season but if you want recreation while you hunt it has to be in bow season.
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Post by lugnutz on Aug 14, 2010 9:42:02 GMT -5
It sucks because I used to think of all hunting as "recreation". Lately it seems gun/muzzle loader has become the new "work" season but if you want recreation while you hunt it has to be in bow season. You can thank the obr for that.
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Post by omegabl on Aug 14, 2010 10:21:23 GMT -5
It sucks because I used to think of all hunting as "recreation". Lately it seems gun/muzzle loader has become the new "work" season but if you want recreation while you hunt it has to be in bow season. You can thank the obr for that. I have been MORE satisfied and have enjoyed hunting more these last 5 years than ever, and I believe it is because of the OBR. Every year now we are seeing multiple wall hangers when we rarely did in the past. Personally, I would rather see wall hangers and if I am not able to harvest one, fill my freezer with does, instead of shooting 2 basket racks. Again, personally, I get no satisfaction in shooting a small buck. I do not base success or satisfaction on killing, it's the thrill of the chase that I crave. May sound strange but, I really do not want to shoot Mr. Big my first day out. Because then, my hunting is over, now I'm just killing does for the freezer. My opinion only, if someone is ONLY going to harvest 2 deer (because that is all they can use) it should not be 2 bucks. How about making us kill at least at a 60/40 ratio? If you harvest 5 deer, 2 can be bucks. If you harvest 10 deer, 4 can be bucks. Just playing to the "magic" number they want. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by maddog on Aug 14, 2010 10:34:42 GMT -5
well, all I know is that last year, because of standing corn, at the end of 9 days of hunting, my son and I had 1 doe between us. On the next to the last day of firearms season, they finally got the corn picked, and we took 4 deer. 1 buck and 3 does.
maddog
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Post by omegabl on Aug 14, 2010 12:54:20 GMT -5
I have been MORE satisfied and have enjoyed hunting more these last 5 years than ever, and I believe it is because of the OBR. Every year now we are seeing multiple wall hangers when we rarely did in the past. Personally, I would rather see wall hangers and if I am not able to harvest one, fill my freezer with does, instead of shooting 2 basket racks. Again, personally, I get no satisfaction in shooting a small buck. I do not base success or satisfaction on killing, it's the thrill of the chase that I crave. May sound strange but, I really do not want to shoot Mr. Big my first day out. Because then, my hunting is over, now I'm just killing does for the freezer. My opinion only, if someone is ONLY going to harvest 2 deer (because that is all they can use) it should not be 2 bucks. How about making us kill at least at a 60/40 ratio? If you harvest 5 deer, 2 can be bucks. If you harvest 10 deer, 4 can be bucks. Just playing to the "magic" number they want. ;D ;D ;D Why is it that you and those with your mind set think all other hunters should bare the burden and have the responsibility to pass up buck or let them walk just so you guys can see or shoot more bucks . I tells me that you realy on quantity of buck rather than haveing a solid game plane and instituting your own deer managment plan years ago to see or get your chance at big buck deer because you were not seeing them before . So then you want to just pile on big bucks in every woods by other not being allowed to shoot them or making other hunters have to pass them up so you can have better hunts . When will it come around to the fact that you and your hunting partners and other hunters just had to hunt better ,have a better deer,land ,and self managment plan the whole time so you you could of seen big bucks the whole time you have been hunting instead of pointing to the OBR .Not one person made you or those you whunt with on your land pull the trigger on two small bucjks a year prior to the OBR but you and them . Point is many of us realized that on our land we could pass up all the small bucks let them, go and grow and only pull the trigger on mature /big bucks a few decades before the whineing began by hunters who did not want to grow the bucks up themselves and hunt harder to get them . It is what it is and that is the truth about . Maybe you have learned more about buck behavior over the few years and are now seeing them because of it instead of just hunting and seeing just deer and shooting two small bucks because that is all you were seeing. There is more than the OBR in your hunting that cause you to now see more older bucks on your hunting land . The biggest reason hunters in general are seeing more bigger bucks and more deer over the last 10 years is quite simple . It is all about the numbers game there is at least twice or 2 times the deer now than there was just 10 years ago ..When there is more deer there will more big ones and more small ones and everything in between includeing big antlered buck. The second reason is there are less hunters now than there were 25 years ago here in Indina . I have read that in the early 1990s and late 1980s there was 350,000 deer hunters here at its peak . The year the OBR was installed they also doubled the price of deer tags .There is info somewhere or used to be on the DNR site that summerized all this and the fact that the DDNR Biologisets gave little credance to the OBR and stated that it was thier opinion that uit made almost no differance in buck age structure at moveing the average age of bucks being take ass well as all der just 1 month older . That said we lost 1/3 of the hunters that year and still every year except one the buck harvest has increased so I am sorry the OBR did not make you see more big bucks You made you see big bucks and the fact that the whole deer herd has at least doubled is the main factor in this . You will never win this argument with any solid well versed hunter that has been around long enough and seen and shot big bukcs for 25 or 30 or 40 years . Whoa Deerrman, Think you need to REREAD my posting, NOT trying to impose anything on YOU or any other hunter. NEVER said YOU had to PASS up anything. Since when is it wrong to give an opinion. Everyone has their own hunting style, 20 years ago I shot the first two bucks that came along, now my style has evolved, that's me not you and I'm not trying to make it your style. I would tend to agree with you on the numbers of hunters, but the harvest # keep going up and WE (our group) are seeing less deer. 2 years ago it rained opening morning of gun season, sat till noon and saw ZERO deer, I can never recall that happening in the past. We hunt small tracts of land, 10-20 acres, so I THINK, (my opinion) the OBR has had some effect in our area. As much as we try, it is awful hard to manage small hunting areas. The age of bucks shot has increased over the last several years, why is that? It is either because there are more young ones making it through the season or more hunters are passing on the smaller ones. I'm assuming you would prefer going back to taking 2 bucks. Now you and your mindset will be imposing your wishes on the hunters that want to shoot 3 or 4 bucks. What is the RIGHT number of bucks, I don't know, but whatever number you throw out there, someone will want more. And again, I NEVER said I was against a 2 buck limit, just said I believe it has made a difference in our area. Also (MY OPINION AGAIN), we as HUNTERS do share a responsibility in keeping the deer population in an acceptable range, which means shooting does. I do remember the days of only 1 buck and going the entire season without seeing a single deer, let alone a buck. The only geese we ever saw were a mile high flying south. Bag limits and rules do change over time. What would happen if every hunter never shot a doe and only shot 1 or 2 bucks? Every hunter has a different hunting style and we ALL have to rely on each to keep populations at an acceptable level. Some hunters will only shoot bucks, some bucks and does, and maybe some, just does. One thing is certain, it is impossible to please everyone.
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Post by mrfixit on Aug 14, 2010 12:56:37 GMT -5
You can thank the obr for that. I have been MORE satisfied and have enjoyed hunting more these last 5 years than ever, and I believe it is because of the OBR. Every year now we are seeing multiple wall hangers when we rarely did in the past. Personally, I would rather see wall hangers and if I am not able to harvest one, fill my freezer with does, instead of shooting 2 basket racks. Again, personally, I get no satisfaction in shooting a small buck. I do not base success or satisfaction on killing, it's the thrill of the chase that I crave. May sound strange but, I really do not want to shoot Mr. Big my first day out. Because then, my hunting is over, now I'm just killing does for the freezer. My opinion only, if someone is ONLY going to harvest 2 deer (because that is all they can use) it should not be 2 bucks. How about making us kill at least at a 60/40 ratio? If you harvest 5 deer, 2 can be bucks. If you harvest 10 deer, 4 can be bucks. Just playing to the "magic" number they want. ;D ;D ;D If the land you hunt only gives you one wall hanger a year then it's one wall hanger a year for you. That's little comfort to the people that their land would permit two a year but because of narrow minded rules and laws are only permitted to shoot one. The bucks are no bigger than they was before the OBR. According to the DNR website the average harvested deer is slightly over a month older than the deer harvested prior to the OBR. Many of the same people that shot basket racks before the OBR is still shooting basket racks to this day. Some because that's all that they ever see and some because they are to hasty pulling the trigger. Big buck management is more about luck, the ability to put yourself in a good position and state of mind than it ever was about laws or rules. With the current rules and silly laws you can't kill a big one during bow season and still have something to look forward to in gun. In a roundabout way it is a reason we have the current proposals. Bow hunters go out and pass on a doe and kill the buck chasing the doe and their done. They hang it up until next season. Whereas in the past they went right back out the next available time and killed a few does while they was scouting out their buck for gun.
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Post by omegabl on Aug 14, 2010 13:11:25 GMT -5
I have been MORE satisfied and have enjoyed hunting more these last 5 years than ever, and I believe it is because of the OBR. Every year now we are seeing multiple wall hangers when we rarely did in the past. Personally, I would rather see wall hangers and if I am not able to harvest one, fill my freezer with does, instead of shooting 2 basket racks. Again, personally, I get no satisfaction in shooting a small buck. I do not base success or satisfaction on killing, it's the thrill of the chase that I crave. May sound strange but, I really do not want to shoot Mr. Big my first day out. Because then, my hunting is over, now I'm just killing does for the freezer. My opinion only, if someone is ONLY going to harvest 2 deer (because that is all they can use) it should not be 2 bucks. How about making us kill at least at a 60/40 ratio? If you harvest 5 deer, 2 can be bucks. If you harvest 10 deer, 4 can be bucks. Just playing to the "magic" number they want. ;D ;D ;D If the land you hunt only gives you one wall hanger a year then it's one wall hanger a year for you. That's little comfort to the people that their land would permit two a year but because of narrow minded rules and laws are only permitted to shoot one. The bucks are no bigger than they was before the OBR. According to the DNR website the average harvested deer is slightly over a month older than the deer harvested prior to the OBR. Many of the same people that shot basket racks before the OBR is still shooting basket racks to this day. Some because that's all that they ever see and some because they are to hasty pulling the trigger. Big buck management is more about luck, the ability to put yourself in a good position and state of mind than it ever was about laws or rules. With the current rules and silly laws you can't kill a big one during bow season and still have something to look forward to in gun. In a roundabout way it is a reason we have the current proposals. Bow hunters go out and pass on a doe and kill the buck chasing the doe and their done. They hang it up until next season. Whereas in the past they went right back out the next available time and killed a few does while they was scouting out their buck for gun. Correct me if I am wrong, but it started out as 1 buck only, years ago and then went to 2. I thought at one time you could take both in bow season.
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Post by js2397 on Aug 14, 2010 13:16:26 GMT -5
If the land you hunt only gives you one wall hanger a year then it's one wall hanger a year for you. That's little comfort to the people that their land would permit two a year but because of narrow minded rules and laws are only permitted to shoot one. The bucks are no bigger than they was before the OBR. According to the DNR website the average harvested deer is slightly over a month older than the deer harvested prior to the OBR. Many of the same people that shot basket racks before the OBR is still shooting basket racks to this day. Some because that's all that they ever see and some because they are to hasty pulling the trigger. Big buck management is more about luck, the ability to put yourself in a good position and state of mind than it ever was about laws or rules. With the current rules and silly laws you can't kill a big one during bow season and still have something to look forward to in gun. In a roundabout way it is a reason we have the current proposals. Bow hunters go out and pass on a doe and kill the buck chasing the doe and their done. They hang it up until next season. Whereas in the past they went right back out the next available time and killed a few does while they was scouting out their buck for gun. Correct me if I am wrong, but it started out as 1 buck only, years ago and then went to 2. I thought at one time you could take both in bow season. I thought when I started it was two with a bow and one with a gun.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 14, 2010 13:24:15 GMT -5
Once upon a time it was one buck only and the season was three days long. If you wanted to bow hunt you hunted the same three days with a bow. That was back in the 1950s.
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Post by mrfixit on Aug 14, 2010 18:23:30 GMT -5
30+ straight days of firearm season is pathetic. And to cry "just because" is soo sad. Yep sure is pathetic, should be somewhere in the neighborhood of 90 days of any legal weapon. Then you can hunt with whatever you want whenever you want. We would be closer to actual free men rather than the slaves and work horses of the state that we are now.
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Post by js2397 on Aug 14, 2010 18:28:18 GMT -5
30+ straight days of firearm season is pathetic. And to cry "just because" is soo sad. What state is that?
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Post by 2shotjoe on Aug 14, 2010 19:39:24 GMT -5
Nine days is plenty for me , i'm usually burnt out by the time shotgun comes in and usually have my buck tag filled.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 14, 2010 20:17:39 GMT -5
Guys,
I'm getting tired of personal stuff.
Debate the subject and quit assigning to members what you think that they are.
The personal stuff will stop or someone will be looking for another site to post at..
Is that clear?
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Post by lugnutz on Aug 14, 2010 21:31:23 GMT -5
30+ straight days of firearm season is pathetic. And to cry "just because" is soo sad. Yep sure is pathetic, should be somewhere in the neighborhood of 90 days of any legal weapon. Then you can hunt with whatever you want whenever you want. We would be closer to actual free men rather than the slaves and work horse of the state that would are now. so true.
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Post by racktracker on Aug 15, 2010 6:50:38 GMT -5
Hunters should have all the opportunty that they can get as long as it does't hurt the resource.
This shorten the seaons is an experiment. No other state has ever shortened the seasons to kill more deer. This is NOT the time to conduct experiments.
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Post by schall53 on Aug 15, 2010 8:14:50 GMT -5
Thanks Woody, I'm also getting tired of all the bickering too. The sport we all enjoy is called DEER HUNTING. Just keep up all this infighting and finger pointing about antler worshipers, non residents, lessors, elite bow hunters, stakeholders, farmers and DNR officials and see what happens to our sport. All this fighting is doing more harm than the ARF's have done in years. The old adage divide and conquer sound familiar?
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Post by steve46511 on Aug 15, 2010 9:30:57 GMT -5
Lots of truth here for us all.
I don't pretend to know anyone else's desires or what they get out of hunting but I hunt with a longbow, recurve, side lock ML, pistol and even a couple with ye ol smoothbore slug gun.
Havent tried a "rifle" yet due to my pistol having more range (and it's more fun for ME, anyway) and havent hunted with a crossbow..........but I will defend those that wish to hunt with them, attempt to ADD more days afield for all, and KEEP what we have now at the very least.
I look at this opportunity, that being the option of supposedly having a say so, as a chance for ALL of us to unite in one big sporting family and support each other's methods.
If sharing a time frame with another weapon IS an "issue" to any.......then this is nothing more than ANOTHER reason for LONGER seasons allowing each of us to get out amongst em with LESS other hunter pressure REGARDLESS of weapon choice.
I fail to see how the weapon involved increases or decreases how much the other hunter's presence will effect me.......much anyway.
Those that have to have it all their way will be the ones where a lease is mandated so they have full control over who hunts......with what.
I just got my "old place" to hunt back. While it's no longer "exclusive" hunting rights I give thanks that I can once again hunt there again. After not being able to hunt there due to family members of the owner thinking they had the total rights for three years........I've no complaints sharing.
I recall a time when most of my Dad's freinds called to ASK HIM to come hunt with them.
Not a lot of that going on in this era. Too many feel that another hunter will "take their buck" or some such silly (IMO) nonsense.
While it is becoming universally accepted, the quest for a super duper buck has changed our sport from "finding one and hunting it" to "growing our own".
It's all in what a person's goals are in our sport but just way too many seem to be gained only by someone else's loss and I find this a sad, sad, sad attitude for a world that has found this method to be acceptable in so much of our lives that it is now "normal" in the hunting world.
Even when I had exclusive rights to the place I just got back I helped other hunters fill a tag or two every year and never once regretted it.
Not even when a young man "dumbed into" the 146 3/8 inch 8 point I was hunting and hammered him at about 8 yards was there any "loss" involved IMO. It wasn't "MY buck". It was still an exciting time, a great memory and has helped produce a fine, fine friendship that will last till my time to go.
I feel I came out quite the "winner" in that "trade"!
2 cents God Bless Steve
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