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Post by dbd870 on Aug 12, 2010 6:19:02 GMT -5
Considering neither Magnum or I took one during IN firearms season last fall, I'd say us!
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Post by thecommissioner on Aug 12, 2010 7:09:57 GMT -5
My bad, instead of need, it should have been, used. How do you define "used?" Did you mean to ask how many people hunted more than nine days in a row? Or do you mean how many people hunted more than nine days before they tagged a deer? Once again, I don't understand the attitude that hunters should run into the woods, do their business, and get out. I always thought that Indiana was a much more hunter 'friendly' state than Illinois, Iowa, Ohio, et. al. because of the longer season. It's nice to know that if I miss the first week of hunting due to job travel or other unforeseen event, I have a second week.
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Post by firstwd on Aug 12, 2010 8:03:54 GMT -5
For the first 5 years I waterfowl hunted I only used 1 or 2 days to deer hunt, and one year I didn't use any because I connected in Kentucky. Now that my kids and my overly busy farmer friend's kids are old enough to deer hunt I could "use" every single day plus double.
I just want the DNR to openly and publicly admit their intended golas for these changes and have open and public conversations with all hunters about them.
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Post by omegabl on Aug 12, 2010 9:43:25 GMT -5
"Need" should not be the question. There are a lot of things you have that I'm sure you don't "need". Would you be OK with it if we took them away from you? The question should be "Why is a shorter season needed?" My bad, instead of need, it should have been, used. To answere your question, if i don't use it often more than likely i'm not gonna throw a fit, when it gets taken away. Shorter season needed? Who knows? But its coming around the corner. Just seems amusing to me how they came up with nine days? And by looking at the harvest info over the last 5 years, the first 9 days where the strongest, on the 10th day harvest drops off the table. Less hunters, less harvest. lugnutz, Drops off the charts the 10th day because it is Monday, look at the Friday-Sunday. Also harvest numbers pushing 70% antlerless. By Jove I finally got it, by eliminating the First Week we are actually hunting the second week which means there will be close to a 70% antlerless kill!!!! I want to change my votes, I obviously misunderstood "their" intentions. ;D
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Post by omegabl on Aug 12, 2010 9:47:18 GMT -5
State parks only need 4 days to reduce the herd. now look at them 4 days of woods being filled by hunters that want to hunt that way at that time. I also think they have to shoot an antlerless before they shoot a buck and are suppose to shoot the first they can.
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Post by omegabl on Aug 12, 2010 9:48:03 GMT -5
Got new idea...... ;D 1, yes, ONE DAY hunt, Hunters up North(starting at the state line) will drive deer South, to the river, gunning all the way, then the next year, the South hunters will do a drive to the North.
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Post by speckle on Aug 12, 2010 11:14:10 GMT -5
State parks only need 4 days to reduce the herd. now look at them 4 days of woods being filled by hunters that want to hunt that way at that time. I also think they have to shoot an antlerless before they shoot a buck and are suppose to shoot the first they can. No they don't have to shoot a doe before a buck. But you see why the dnr are doing it now. Pretty obvious it works. You don't have to look at any other state, we have the facts at the state parks
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Post by hornharvester on Aug 12, 2010 11:24:12 GMT -5
Plus, and its a big plus, you don't need to buy any tags to hunt the parks. 3 deer outside the park hunt = $75.00 for tags, 3 deer at the park hunt = $0 dollars for tags. Reduce tags, add crossbows to all archery, add the two anterless seasons in counties that need them, see how the numbers play out and then adjust the season lengths if needed h.h.
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Post by HuntMeister on Aug 12, 2010 11:41:31 GMT -5
I don't think the short hunts in the parks have anything to do with a shorter season promoting increased kills and everything to do with loss of revenue and being closed to the general public. 4 days of woods being filled by hunters that want to hunt that way at that time. I also think they have to shoot an antlerless before they shoot a buck and are suppose to shoot the first they can. No they don't have to shoot a doe before a buck. But you see why the dnr are doing it now. Pretty obvious it works. You don't have to look at any other state, we have the facts at the state parks
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 12, 2010 13:28:07 GMT -5
I don't think the short hunts in the parks have anything to do with a shorter season promoting increased kills and everything to do with loss of revenue and being closed to the general public.No they don't have to shoot a doe before a buck. But you see why the dnr are doing it now. Pretty obvious it works. You don't have to look at any other state, we have the facts at the state parks No they don't . As HH said the tags are free. Bonus buck too. Take that buck away and attendance/particpation will drop big time Parks are mulitple use and the DNR can not give up more than two days at a time. No comparison...
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Post by js2397 on Aug 12, 2010 13:31:59 GMT -5
State parks only need 4 days to reduce the herd. now look at them Put one hunter per 25-30 acres in any area and you could reduce the herd in four days. I don't know if it is enough though as some parks hve hunts every year.
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Post by jjas on Aug 12, 2010 14:23:37 GMT -5
Plus, and its a big plus, you don't need to buy any tags to hunt the parks. 3 deer outside the park hunt = $75.00 for tags, 3 deer at the park hunt = $0 dollars for tags. Reduce tags, add crossbows to all archery, add the two anterless seasons in counties that need them, see how the numbers play out and then adjust the season lengths if needed h.h. I agree, that's a good solution. However, I doubt it happens. It relies too much on common sense and not enough on lobbying and back scratching....
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Post by speckle on Aug 12, 2010 15:03:44 GMT -5
I don't think the short hunts in the parks have anything to do with a shorter season promoting increased kills and everything to do with loss of revenue and being closed to the general public. No they don't . As HH said the tags are free. Bonus buck too. Take that buck away and attendance/particpation will drop big time Parks are mulitple use and the DNR can not give up more than two days at a time. No comparison... most state parks have 60/40 or higher doe kills, so the buck is not that big of deal.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 12, 2010 15:14:06 GMT -5
No they don't . As HH said the tags are free. Bonus buck too. Take that buck away and attendance/particpation will drop big time Parks are mulitple use and the DNR can not give up more than two days at a time. No comparison... most state parks have 60/40 or higher doe kills, so the buck is not that big of deal. Really? I can believe 60% antlerless and 40 antlered - same as statewide, but not 60% does. Where is that data at? BTW - I do remember very vividly when the DNR first started these park culls that they would not allow hunters to take the antlers home or even take pictures of the bucks that they killed. This was top appease the anti-hunters. They soon backed off of thet as they were starting to have a hard time filling slots . Fact..
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Post by Decatur on Aug 12, 2010 15:16:48 GMT -5
No they don't . As HH said the tags are free. Bonus buck too. Take that buck away and attendance/particpation will drop big time Parks are mulitple use and the DNR can not give up more than two days at a time. No comparison... most state parks have 60/40 or higher doe kills, so the buck is not that big of deal. Almost everyone I know applies to those hunts specifically to harvest another buck and will harvest does if it is a gimme shot. Attendance at those hunts is already falling off due to lack of sightings of deer. People still apply, just in case, but there are a LOT of no shows come time for the hunt. My buddy Skid and I hunted Big Oaks one year, and there were no shows on the first day, and a lot more no shows on the second. Take away the buck, or start cutting the antlers off again, and watch how low participation gets!
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Post by speckle on Aug 12, 2010 15:29:20 GMT -5
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Post by speckle on Aug 12, 2010 15:38:47 GMT -5
13 out of 17 state parks were under 40% buck harvest
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 12, 2010 15:42:30 GMT -5
Interesting, especially the "Percentage of adult bucks harvested has increased steadily since the reduction program began. Five parks harvested 40% or greater adult bucks in 2009." Seems that hunter ARE interested in bucks, right? I still don't see the "60% does" anywhere on there. "Adult bucks" means oens with antlers. Buttion bucks are thrown in with he does, so I do not see 60% does..
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Post by elmo on Aug 12, 2010 17:59:03 GMT -5
There is another thing to consider when you talk about park hunts. The people who own land around the park help to reduce the parks heard by setting up within 100 yards of the fences on those 4 days. Especially if they haven't killed their buck yet. I hunted in Clifty last year and there were 5 guys that I could see from my stand.
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Post by huxbux on Aug 12, 2010 18:46:38 GMT -5
Brings back memories of Art Spancake... I never goose hunted with him but I can't read about goose hunting without thinking about Art.. You, me and a blind full of others out there! We lost a heck of a sportsman there! He had some dandy bucks hanging on his wall, along with moose, elk, cariboo, ducks but I don't think he ever had a goose mounted! He had a barn full of toy soldiers though. Even after a year and a half I still look to call him up to see what his birds are doing... I miss being taken to school on the skeet field. You can the bet the farm that wherever he is, he's sitting right smack in the middle of the X.
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