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Post by cambygsp on May 30, 2009 4:56:33 GMT -5
While I agree with most of your post Greg, I disagree that checking deer is a revenue maker for any check station.
Most check stations check deer as a service to their existing customers, sure some make a sell while the hunter is in their establishment but it is normally a small sale and not much profit is involved.
I hear you about standing around leaning against the pick up truck telling hunting stories........been there done that!
I think we will see telecheck because it is so much cheaper for the state and much more effecient......but I will probabally shed a tear when I can no longer take my kill to the check station
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Post by cambygsp on May 30, 2009 5:11:26 GMT -5
From the three Indiana hunting forums...From Indiana SportsmenI would like see Indiana with Tele-Check - 24 ( 52.17%) I'm not in favor of Tele-Check - 10 (21.74% ) I don't care either way. - 12 ( 26.09% ) From Hoosier HuntingI'm in favor of Tele-Check for Indiana -24 ( 56% ) I would not support Tele-Check - 14 ( 33% ) It doesn't matter to me - 5 ( 12% ) Hunting IndianaI support telecheck - 47 ( 71.2% ) I do not support tele-check - 12 ( 18.1% ) I dont care - 7 ( 10.6% ) Grand TotalI support telecheck – 95 ( 61.3% ) I do not support tele-check –36 ( 23.2% ) I don’t care – 24 ( 15.5% Total votes - 155 I thought someone had posted earlier that telecheck was not the popular choice on the competing hunting web sites? ?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2009 7:50:11 GMT -5
Looks like most people want telechek. Whats sad is that a few people will try to over ride that want with false claims and misc. doom and gloom based on nothing. A look at the facts shows that this thing saves big bucks in EVERY state that has used it. No state has gone to it and then went back to manual checking......ever. This type of check in is cheaper, no other way to look at it.
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Post by hornharvester on May 30, 2009 9:30:48 GMT -5
greghopper,
thats some of the funniest writing I have read in a while! Most of the time I check in a deer no other hunter is there and the guy who writes up the tag hands me the tag and doesn't even want to come out and see the deer.
I know several owners of sporting goods shops and most of them don't want to even mess with deer checking and a couple of them that did, quit and told the DNR to come and get their stuff. They said it was too much of a hassle and cost them money and took to much time to do it. In the end it wasn't worth the effort they put into checking deer. h.h.
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Post by cambygsp on May 30, 2009 11:50:35 GMT -5
Hornharvester,
I think thats one of the faults with the current check system.
I can tell you for sure, The Gatesville General Store in Brown County and Tollivers Sporting Goods in Washington County do look at your deer. In fact they put the metal tag on the deer for you.
With that said, I have also been to check stations that do as you say. I have been told by the IDNR that the check station must look at the deer and I have been told that the check station don't need to look at the deer.
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Post by racktracker on May 30, 2009 13:40:55 GMT -5
Greg, No offense, but thanks for the laugh. Most check station operators I know say one thing about the check in - "It is a P.I.T.A."As far as hunting being "social". I regulary socialize with other hunters, in person and on the net THAT I WANT TO. I don't need to be Check In Station Buddies with everyone that buys a deer tag. This is not directed at anyone, but I think a few might want to keep the check stations so that they can do some chest thumping. I've seen some that killed a pretty nice buck and hung around and hung around and hung around the check station waiting for more people to come in and go "eww and awe" over his buck. That is until a bigger buck comes in and then he packs up and goes home. Let's get out of the stone age of deer managment. Besides TeleCheck is going green. Cuts down on paper use. Adopt TeleCheck and save a tree!! I vote YES.
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Post by Decatur on May 30, 2009 14:08:52 GMT -5
This is not directed at anyone, but I think a few might want to keep the check stations so that they can do some chest thumping. I've seen some that killed a pretty nice buck and hung around and hung around and hung around the check station waiting for more people to come in and go "eww and awe" over his buck. That is until a bigger buck comes in and then he packs up and goes home.
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Post by freedomhunter on May 30, 2009 19:16:01 GMT -5
Some good points in what Greg posted. I would think with good people on this forum (why I like it for the most part) the off-handed comments wouldn't be made. We have to stick together and be open minded with regards to both sides of issues. I remember back in the day just starting out, the check-in was a big part of my hunting experience, whether it is now or not.
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Post by racktracker on May 30, 2009 21:22:26 GMT -5
Some good points in what Greg posted. I would think with good people on this forum (why I like it for the most part) the off-handed comments wouldn't be made. We have to stick together and be open minded with regards to both sides of issues. I remember back in the day just starting out, the check-in was a big part of my hunting experience, whether it is now or not. I'm not sure if that is addressed to me or not, but here goes. Yes, there were a few good points in Greg's post. However the post went a little too far - IMHO. Wherever Greg got that from it appears that the individual likes the social atmosphere of a check station. Bully for him, but it is not everyone's cup of tea. If he likes or needs the "back slapping" then more power to him. Some of us don't want or need that. I probably wouldn’t have posted a remark about his post except the part where he said that I should “consider getting out of hunting" if I wanted telecheck because he thinks telecheck will “kill off this tradition and POWERFUL tool for social recruitment and social retention of excited hunter.” That is bad enough but he followed it up with “you will probably continue to find other ways to make hunting less social and more conveniant for you..........or try to turn hunting into the worst thing..........ONLY ABOUT ME.” Yeah, we need to “stick together” and I am all for that. However, I really don’t appreciate someone telling me to “consider getting out of hunting" and anything that I might do in the future will be "ONLY ABOUT ME". All just because I don’t agree with him.
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Post by danf on May 30, 2009 22:14:58 GMT -5
If you need the social experience of other dead deer, hang out at the processors; you'll probably see just as many dead deer there.
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Post by elmo on May 30, 2009 23:17:36 GMT -5
I'd venture to say all of them will be dead. LOL
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Post by greghopper on May 31, 2009 9:46:31 GMT -5
I great post on Telecheck ( from another site)........Here goes.......... No WAY for Tele-Check in my book.......here's my thoughts.
**Hunting is a Social Sport.........always will be, always has been. We constantly say we need other hunters, we need others interested in hunting, we don't want to see the great social tradition die. We say we are a social nation and enjoy being around each other........yet we fill our lives with e-mail, texts, drive our cars home with our electric garage door openers so as we pull in we can shut it behind us and not even have to talk with the neighbors, and avoid yet another meal with the family at the table since we all haved text each other within the last hour.........etc, etc, etc..........and another day goes by where we don't have to be social and interact face to face in the name of "conveniance"............but we scratch our heads as we feel more distant with those around us........and wonder how in the hellll do so many people "not know or care about others" anymore in this world. .................Keeping that in mind, I see one of the Telecheck Flaws is that it is one more tool to ERODE our hunting social network. You can sit here and type your lies about "I hate the check station experience"..........or maybe you really do and are that anti-social or introverted..............but most cut their teeth in hunting as a kid with a ride to the check-station and saw the EXCITEMENT at those places, most can relate to talking with others there about their first deer/turkey and how the "moment went down" as you leaned up against their pick-up truck, the crowd standing around the scales with others patting others on the back.................Guys/Gals, I'm here to tell you.....it's one of the most positive social inspiring EVENTS in hunting that still happens across this great state..................and you want to kill it in the name of conveniance??? What's next.............Tele-Weddings?, Tele-Funerals?, Tele-4th of July where they set off some fireworks in one spot only in the USA and take some pics of it to e-mail everyone in the name of conveniance and cost savings, Tele-Christmas, Tele-Birthdays, Tele-Church etc, etc...............you get the point. I feel so strongly about this that I firmly believe that if you want to kill off this tradition and POWERFUL tool for social recruitment and social retention of excited hunters..........please consider getting out of hunting.......you will probably continue to find other ways to make hunting less social and more conveniant for you..........or try to turn hunting into the worst thing..........ONLY ABOUT ME. I'm flat out tired of people coming up with ways on how to "shorten the social rope" in the name of selfish conveniance and willing to murder social memories and social experiences that strengthen the things we value in this life..........for what...............more time to find a way to make your life more "conveniant"??
**The Economic Effect of those that run those check-stations. Four letters guys/gals..........G.......O........N.........E. We constantly read in our headlines how tight things are.........take away 500+ hunters anually that check in their deer/turkey, take away the lookers, passers by that see those deer and just have to make a special trip on opening day to see who scored and shake others hands, take away the friends and people in the community that get that phone call..."go down to the check station and look at what Fred shot".....they all go down over lunch, grab a few cokes and a slice of pizza at the check- station and look at Fred's picture. Guys/Gals........go to the owners of these check stations and tell them you are about to propose something (Tele-Check) that will litterally take thousands of $$ of potential revenue from them, cause you will be advocating elimination of all of the above......and countless other reasons that people go to that check-station and while they are there....they spend a little $$. Go look them in the eye and tell them you want that gone from them.........Go do it. And for the one or two moron business owners that say "good riddence".........they should consider getting out of being a check station all together tomorrow. Let someone else that embraces hunting, social strengthening, and good hometown community economics "have the keys".
**The Accountability Factor..............Someone/Others are there at the check station. Eye witnesses, Cameras, People that want to see, CO's that want to see your kill....and ask a question to that bowhunter "can I see what arrows you are using".........for ALL the right reasons. Yup.......this is the short list of what those that want to cheat the system hate the most.............having to deal with other people that might make their criminal actions more difficult. The list goes SKY HIGH in "the name of non-criminal convienance"..........and those that have ill thoughts, the list goes SKY HIGH in "the name of criminal opportunity"...........and Tele-Check gives them more. Don't think the general public take advantage of opportunity??............try this.............Go set out some piles of wood throughout this great "honest" state and put signs on them. Some piles say....."pay at the door". Some piles say "call me and tell me how much money you left at the door". Then come back and tell us who made more money at the end of the year in "the name of conveniance" . And ohhh.....and don't forget.....we are about to lay out in front of the "trustable general public" something related to ego, stature, food, art, recreation, etc, etc all wrapped up in one package..........not just a piece of wood to place on our campfire. THINK ABOUT IT WITH YOUR HEAD OUT OF A HOLE PEOPLE. The accountability factor with Tele-Check is scarey.............dang scarey.
Summary...........this is not just a "law-enforcement" issue, conveniance issue, wildlife age/population data collection issue.............it's much much more than that. Take a look at both sides of this coin..........I know I have...........and what I am clinging to and encouraging others to cling to is the things that some in our society want us to forget as important.
Just glad we have places like this to see all points before "signing on the dotted line".
Voice your opinion where it really counts.........not on this poll............with the NRC. I see alot of people that haven't decided either way here as indicated on the pole. Hopefully reading some of our collective thoughts will help you decided. Key words.... please consider....still a good read for the undecided!!!!
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Post by hornharvester on May 31, 2009 11:33:25 GMT -5
For those that need that "atta boy" slap on the back at the check-in station when you check in your trophy, why not just get him mounted and take him on tour during the hunting expo's. You could stand around and tell the story of the hunt over and over and gain great respect from your peers.
Now for those of us who just what to get our deer checked and either get it to the processor or home so we can hang it up and start to butcher tele-check is going to be much more convenient and simple.
Tele-check will save time and money for all that use it. h.h.
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Post by jkd on May 31, 2009 16:15:01 GMT -5
I thought Greg's initial post was mostly containing a repost of someone else's comments, so not sure why many are quick to jump on greg as if he wrote them... Regardless, I've about had it with those who keep wanting to use "comments of the extremes" every time a controversial thread is posted somewhere.... e.g. nobody ever came out and looked at my deer, so therefore that must be the same experience everybody else in the whole freakin' state experiences, and therefore proves my point du jour... or how about, I've seen guys come into check stations just to do chest thumping, ergo, must be that everybody who wants check stations to remain must be about chest thumping or egos or whatever... My experience has been that check stations are just a different variation on the deer camp experience... some guys are boa l a-holes, some guys just simply enjoy the conversation with other hunters about their hunting experience, or maybe are even trying to pick up tips and learn about different techniques... I'm sick of folks trying to paint all hunters with the same brush just because of a stand they take about telecheck or any other one-issue thread.... I think there is lot of truth to the post that Greg included and I'm glad that he passed it on... There are some on here and other boards who need to get over themselves, and need to quit bashing folks for making a point on an issue...
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Post by hornharvester on May 31, 2009 17:33:18 GMT -5
Not one is bashing Greg.
I thought the article was pretty silly. To think the start of tele-check will add to the demise of deer hunting makes little sense to me. I'm sure the IDNR didn't start deer checking so hunters could stand around and admire each other deer. Its a way to gather data, plain and simple.
Now if a hunter gets a sense of comradely out of checking his deer then more power to him. Maybe the DNR could keep one check station per county so these hunters have a place to gather and admire each others buck. h.h.
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Post by huxbux on May 31, 2009 20:32:53 GMT -5
I've checked deer in at roughly 7 or 8 different check stations in Indiana for the past 30 odd years and I honestly can't recall a single instance when a crowd of hunters was ever hanging out at any of them.
I self butcher and prefer to get it done as quickly as possible. Check in stations are a huge hindrance to that end. Warm weather compounds the problem. Someone suggested "adjusting" hunting days and hours during warm weather if getting to a check station might pose a problem. Are you kidding? Think about that statement. You're advocating limiting hunting in order to retain an antiquated check-in system.
I can't think of a single legitimate reason not to adopt tele-check.
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Post by duff on May 31, 2009 21:14:54 GMT -5
I thought Greg's initial post was mostly containing a repost of someone else's comments, so not sure why many are quick to jump on greg as if he wrote them... Regardless, I've about had it with those who keep wanting to use "comments of the extremes" every time a controversial thread is posted somewhere.... e.g. nobody ever came out and looked at my deer, so therefore that must be the same experience everybody else in the whole freakin' state experiences, and therefore proves my point du jour... or how about, I've seen guys come into check stations just to do chest thumping, ergo, must be that everybody who wants check stations to remain must be about chest thumping or egos or whatever... My experience has been that check stations are just a different variation on the deer camp experience... some guys are boa l a-holes, some guys just simply enjoy the conversation with other hunters about their hunting experience, or maybe are even trying to pick up tips and learn about different techniques... I'm sick of folks trying to paint all hunters with the same brush just because of a stand they take about telecheck or any other one-issue thread.... I think there is lot of truth to the post that Greg included and I'm glad that he passed it on... There are some on here and other boards who need to get over themselves, and need to quit bashing folks for making a point on an issue... It's a two way street and if a guy has posted enough of his opinions on the net he will become accustom to this type of reaction. It is silly and gang like but not unique to this site or other hunting sites. It's like going to a John Deere forum and tring to convince them that IH is the only real tractor out there. As rational as the debate might be you are pitching a hanging curve that is going to be hammered. The debates have always been this way as long as I have been lurking these types of boards (longer then I'd like to admit). Not saying that is right or wrong but it is something you either get used to or don't. Pobably why some people drop off the message boards for no other reason. Or why other sites are formed from member of another site . So in the spirit of "Why can't we all just get along?" Good post Greg, thanks for another point of view. I however don't find those points very convincing. See many of the other post following your post for the reasons ;D That took too much effort and I know I don't like frivolus fluff and pats on the back. I like to get to the point and get on with what I should be doing. Which is also one of the reasons I like tele-check. Along with the effeciency that it would provide with data gathering, accountability, transparency, and .....
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Post by danf on May 31, 2009 21:18:56 GMT -5
Someone suggested "adjusting" hunting days and hours during warm weather if getting to a check station might pose a problem. Are you kidding? Think about that statement. You're advocating limiting hunting in order to retain an antiquated check-in system. I agree completely. Not to mention that when I get a decent window to go to the woods, I'm there. With work and family commitments, it's hard to "adjust" my time when the weather isn't "right". Yeah, I'll probably stay out of the woods when it's 75+ degrees, but other than "extreme" heat and/or pouring down rain during bow season, I'm going when I get a chance. If I had to "adjust" for weather, I probably would be sitting on the couch most of the time.
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Post by jrbhunter on May 31, 2009 21:33:24 GMT -5
I support the tele-check idea because it will simplify what I see as a major burden in hunting (Running to town). I often find myself crunched for time to get an animal out of the woods, in the truck and rushed to town before the station closes in early bowseason (Before time change) and that's when we're fighting heat. Rather than fighting this frustration, I often pass deer until the weather is cooler... and I think many others do as well. I would much rather fill my tags in early archery on public property and fill my freezer before the orange army arrives in November.
Anyways, I'm never one to approach these topics in a selfish manor. In the over-all spectrum of sportsmen out there, I don't think tele-check would be a bad thing. I don't see it hurting hunters or making it harder on law-enforcement... so I'm all for it.
On the flip side, I think the best point that's been made in this entire thread is about the loss of revenue for those check stations. Greg brought it up and it's basically been ignored: but you cannot minimize the effect tele-check will have on our current bait-shops and archery stores. It will cripple them in a massive way.
Sure they beyatch about dealing with tagging deer... but those small shop owners aren't usually the most business-savvy CEO's. They may not see it coming, but tele-check will have a GREAT impact on their sales. Honestly: myself and many others around here will probably never make another purchase at the small hole-in-the-wall shops. Cabelas.com and the local Basspro will quickly drown the "Convenience Stores" where I've been FORCED to check in my deer.
PS: It's very common to come out of our check station and have half a dozen guys leaning on your truck eyeballing your trophy. Some even taking pictures. I won't miss going in there... but I hate to see more local businesses struggling when that revenue stream trickles down.
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Post by cambygsp on Jun 1, 2009 4:20:07 GMT -5
Hey, I am one of those guys that enjoy the check station experience!
I always have enjoyed looking at what other hunters were bringing in and looking at that other guys trophy.........maybe because in 23+ years of deer hunting I have never managed to kill one (a trophy buck deer)!
With that said , I have to say I understand the need for a telecheck system.
Here are the FACTS!
Telecheck is a more efficient way to check game animals.
It's tons cheaper on the state game management agency WHEN YOU FACTOR IN ALL THE CURRENT EXPENSES OF THE CHECK STATION SYSTEM
It allows for instant data. With the telecheck system being a computerized system there will no longer be a waiting period to get facts and figures. Those facts and figures will be available at the touch of the button.
This is 2009 and we are working on 2010........it's the modern technology that drives the change from the old check station system to a system like telecheck.............Buying your deer tags on line was also a product of modern technology!
Check stations DO NOT GENERATE A PROFIT FROM CHECKING DEER OR TURKEYS.
Ask any operator, checking game animals is a service that they offer and it comes at a cost.
Most of the popular check stations have to add an employee or two on busy weekends, just to check deer! You would have to sell a TON of sodas and candy bars to make enough profit to cover the additional labor costs.
Most folks who check their deer at the local mom and pop shop are not spending several hundred dollars on the product that mom and pop are selling.
For years mom and pop have been complaining to the IDNR that they need to get paid to check deer and turkeys, some of the mom and pop shops have quit checking deer and turkey because they could not afford to keep subsidizing the state.
When the state went to selling tags on line mom and pop lost the revenue they were making on the tags they were selling, no one complained then!
I will hate to see check stations go by the wayside, but I know someday they will. In my mind it is easy to say how telecheck will create more cheating, but when you think about it, you realize it wont.
When the state did away with a deer/turkey tag THAT INCLUDED THE TEMPORARY TRANSPORT TAG, cheating is really no longer a factor.
This one is a "no brainer" fellas.
We ARE gonna get telecheck!
It's cheaper
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It's more efficient
AND It's been proven in other states!
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