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Post by varmint101 on Nov 27, 2008 11:06:03 GMT -5
On the land thing. A guy who wants to kill big bucks is going to give himself the best chance. That means hunting great land. It doesn't mean he will kill a monster at all, but they will have the best chance possible to do so. He's probably not going to come over here and focus on HNF. Does that make him less of a hunter? Nope. They're just giving themselves better odds, but it's no guarentee.
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Post by varmint101 on Nov 27, 2008 21:46:39 GMT -5
hah! Well, I guess I eat crow on that one. I stand corrected. Sorry Michael.
Taken off the Scent Blocker (RobinsonOutdoors) site.
"The "Waddell Buck" at the Collins Farms in North Central Indiana was taken Nov 17 just after 12:00 noon. It actually scores 176 5/8 as scored by T-Bone and Chris Collins. 25 inch main beams support 11 1/2 inch G2s, 9 inch G3s, and 8-9 inch Brow Tines with the first Mass score over 6 inches, total Mass of over 38 inches, and 9 1/2 inches of stickers!"
That is a toad!
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Post by uglyduckling on Nov 27, 2008 22:39:17 GMT -5
hes not a hunter, just a killer Oh, I think that man is probably a pretty good hunter.. BUT he has turned from hunter to entertainer. The "hunting videos" are entertainment, period. He does not have the time to actually go hunt. Time is money in his game. His set ups are that he is in and out of a place in matter of days. The quicker the kill the better. The "outfitters" actually do his scouting/hunting for him and he comes in, probably sits a prepared stand and arrows/shoots a deer. Not bad work, if one can get it. The more outgoing and personable the "celebrity hunter" is the more "work" he/she gets. It IS ENTERTAINMENT.. That description sounds like any other paying client. If anybody on this forum has ever gone on any type of guided hunt you have been put in a scouted stand/blind. That's what you paid for. All the guys from the midwest that go out west to shoot an elk,mulie or even whitetails don't TRULY go out there and hunt. The simple fact of the matter is that the average guy does not have the time to freelance anywhere but his home area. I don't understand why most of you are ed off about Waddell shooting this deer. Do you honestly think he just hunts to kill? That's one of the most absurd statements I've ever heard. I've said it before and I'll say it again. WE(hunters)ARE OUR OWN WORST ENEMY. Every single one of you knows that if you could hunt for a living you would. Kevin
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 28, 2008 7:40:30 GMT -5
Oh, I think that man is probably a pretty good hunter.. BUT he has turned from hunter to entertainer. The "hunting videos" are entertainment, period. He does not have the time to actually go hunt. Time is money in his game. His set ups are that he is in and out of a place in matter of days. The quicker the kill the better. The "outfitters" actually do his scouting/hunting for him and he comes in, probably sits a prepared stand and arrows/shoots a deer. Not bad work, if one can get it. The more outgoing and personable the "celebrity hunter" is the more "work" he/she gets. It IS ENTERTAINMENT.. That description sounds like any other paying client. If anybody on this forum has ever gone on any type of guided hunt you have been put in a scouted stand/blind. That's what you paid for. All the guys from the midwest that go out west to shoot an elk,mulie or even whitetails don't TRULY go out there and hunt. The simple fact of the matter is that the average guy does not have the time to freelance anywhere but his home area. I don't understand why most of you are whized off about Waddell shooting this deer. Do you honestly think he just hunts to kill? That's one of the most absurd statements I've ever heard. I've said it before and I'll say it again. WE(hunters)ARE OUR OWN WORST ENEMY. Every single one of you knows that if you could hunt for a living you would. Kevin Kevin, I hope that you didn't read into my post that I begrudge the man for hunting the Collin's Place and killing a very nice buck. Or that I begrudge him for making a good living hunting and being a TV hunting celebrity. I don't. More power to him. With a few exceptions I think a majority of the TV hunting celebrities were pretty darn good hunters prior to becoming TV. stars. Some bought their way into it.. I also know a few great hunters that will never be TV hunting stars as that is not their make up. Myles Keller for one. I'll put Myle up against any of the TV hunters in hunting ability and knowledge of the game pursued. But he is not one that can get on camera and entertain. The hunting DVDs and TV shows are entertainment and Michael is one of the best at it.
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Post by tickman1961 on Nov 28, 2008 8:20:30 GMT -5
Regardless, we all put deer on the ground when necessary - killers. I do not have to put down game to have a successful hunt, just being out in mother natures relm charges the batteries and renews my spirit. However, I know what I am and do not disquise that fact I kill things in the name of management and control of a species. That includes taking my share of antlerless deer.
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Post by huntnprayn on Dec 1, 2008 13:42:15 GMT -5
So all of you that dont think his buck scores 176...have you ever killed a 176" buck?? Better yet have you ever seen a deer with your own eyes that scored 176?? I am going to bet more than likely not. Why on earth would someone that is constantly in the hunting world spotlight lie about what his deer scores? For those of you that are worked up about what he does with his deer. What is wrong with donating to food banks. I would about guarantee most everyone here could survive with out having to go out and hunt but there are millions of people out there that cant. It is selfish of us as hunters not to help with the struggling families that have came upon a rough stretch in their lives. Its a neccessity for many deer to be harvested to keep a healthy herd anyways. SO if you have the money and the means to take numerous animals then by all means do it. Am I happy that Indiana is starting to get more publicity? Definitely not. I dont have the money to afford a lease or buy my own land. I am lucky enough to hunt some of the best property in the state. IMO That doesnt mean I am going to kill a big buck every year.
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 1, 2008 17:31:01 GMT -5
Excess money and time will help a lesser hunter kill more and bigger bucks than you will ever dream of, part of the game. Just enjoy your time in the woods and do what you can with what you got. Doesn't mean you are any less of a hunter.
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Post by moss935 on Dec 7, 2008 14:38:44 GMT -5
Well I did my research and my luck have it. My buddy and I are hunting nextdoor definetly a nice buck.
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Post by powderfinger on Dec 7, 2008 17:44:53 GMT -5
Look in the mirror and ask yourself are you good enough hunter to put the bucks down that they put down year after year? I'm not talking about the 115-130". I'm sure most of us would have no problem killing those in the places they hunt but I'm talking about MATURE bucks. I'm saying I (we) could. Just like Woody said. Those guys were/are good hunters that knew the right people, but what they do on TV is not hunting. Their hunting is done before they show up on the property. High profile shooters is what they are. I believe the Lakoskys and maybe the Kiskys are the exceptions as they hunt their own farms and do their own work. At least that's the way they portray themselves on the shows (Which could be BS for all I know). That being said, I'm not bashing them for what they do because I would do the same in a heartbeat. However, I don't put them on a pedestal as hunters. I bet I get more satisfaction from hunting and killing my little 120 inchers than they do with their 170 inchers, that they roll in on blind and get told where to sit. I believe that some of the best hunters in the state frequent these websites and many here could do what the pros do given the same opportunities.
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 7, 2008 17:59:43 GMT -5
Yeah Woody, I've sat and talked with Myles Keller a couple times, he's a stand up guy. Bout like you and I or any other guy on this forum. So is Chuck Adams for the most part. I had the opourtunity to talk with Chuck a couple times at trade shows, he a humble guy also.Not sure I'd ever want that TV crap. I like to scout and enjoy figuring big bucks out, not well sit here this buck comes through every night at 6pm we have video all you gotta do is pull the trigger, hang him on the wall and take all the glory. To them it's a job. ...I guess...hunting... not hardly.
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Post by varmint101 on Dec 7, 2008 19:48:01 GMT -5
You know I have to be honest. I shouldn't have said I didn't think it was a 170 class. I wouldn't do that to anyone else and I shouldn't have said it about Waddell's buck. I apologize about that. Wasn't right.
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Post by jecole360 on Dec 7, 2008 23:13:19 GMT -5
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Post by Decatur on Dec 7, 2008 23:51:35 GMT -5
Just because Chuck Adams isn't on TV, don't think for a minute that he "hunted" all of those trophy animals he killed. I was told by someone who would know that Easton and/or Hoyt pay a lot of money to allow him to come in and kill a trophy animal that someone has all scouted out.
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Post by swilk on Dec 8, 2008 12:54:26 GMT -5
[That description sounds like any other paying client. If anybody on this forum has ever gone on any type of guided hunt you have been put in a scouted stand/blind. That's what you paid for. All the guys from the midwest that go out west to shoot an elk,mulie or even whitetails don't TRULY go out there and hunt. The simple fact of the matter is that the average guy does not have the time to freelance anywhere but his home area. I don't understand why most of you are whized off about Waddell shooting this deer. Do you honestly think he just hunts to kill? That's one of the most absurd statements I've ever heard. I've said it before and I'll say it again. WE(hunters)ARE OUR OWN WORST ENEMY. Every single one of you knows that if you could hunt for a living you would. Kevin I go west each year and hunt my ass off. I put more miles on my boots in a week than most guys will in a year. Careful with those broad statements ......
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Post by schall53 on Dec 8, 2008 13:16:38 GMT -5
Swilk, I whole heartedly agree with you , I have been hunting Wyoming since 1983 and I would guess 5 o 10 miles per day. That is as the crow flies double that it you count UP AND DOWN.
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Post by huntnprayn on Dec 8, 2008 14:00:25 GMT -5
Just because Chuck Adams isn't on TV, don't think for a minute that he "hunted" all of those trophy animals he killed. I was told by someone who would know that Easton and/or Hoyt pay a lot of money to allow him to come in and kill a trophy animal that someone has all scouted out. Heard a story from one of the guys that happens to have something to do with these guys in this story that Chuck killed a big Tom cougar one time that was treed for another client the day before and he flew in to take the shot.
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Post by swilk on Dec 8, 2008 14:44:50 GMT -5
believe none of what you hear and little of what you see.
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 8, 2008 16:23:58 GMT -5
Yeah I'd agree swilk i've chased Gobblers on public land in Oklahoma and didn't any help, no guide nothing...just a map, gps and plenty of water..
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Post by Sasquatch on Dec 8, 2008 16:36:20 GMT -5
I have been hearing people say that Chuck Adams spends big money to have people find super animals for him, that he's a idiot in person, etc, for years. I have met him and I can tell you that he is no fool. He's very confident, and I suppose that irritates some. I don't hunt with the guy, but a super-successful, arrest-free carreer spanning more than thirty years and the friendship of so rock solid folks in the industry tell me he's the real deal. His declining to make more money by refusing to pitch super short bows and carbon arrows because he personally doesn't like them tells me that his endorsement can't be bought, and that is rare indeed. I can tell you from my own experience that his archery equipment advice is always dead on.
The "he has people find him animals" idea is really hilarious when you think about it. If you knew where to find world record contending wild elk, or giant caribou, or whatever, and the skill to lead a supposed fraud right to them, why wouldn't you shoot them yourself?
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Post by moss935 on Dec 9, 2008 14:41:43 GMT -5
Those who spend there time souting in the woods and waters really get the rewards. Endorsments are just benefits.
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