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Post by mac67t on Mar 12, 2008 15:18:47 GMT -5
I have determined there is few landowners. Or none that I have found as of yet who are willing to either give permission or to lease land to a hunter who very politely asks permission to hunt.
Found this out last Sat when I knocked on a farmers front door around 12 O'Clock. And inquired about permission to hunt deer for the 2008 season. He told me NO. And then proceeded to inform me that all hunters were alike. Because they all wanted to hunt on everybody else's land for free. I told him I would be willing to pay to lease some of his land to hunt on. At that point was instructed to take my money and shove it were the sun doesn't shine. So I have decided to give up. I spend more time trying to find a place to hunt then I actually hunt.I've determined it's not worth the trouble.
Mac67t
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Post by tenring on Mar 12, 2008 17:18:06 GMT -5
How many landowners did you meet with? What were the responses from those you met face to face? What type of vehicle were you driving? How were you dressed? How close to a major metropolitan area did you canvas? If the people you contacted were close to where live, did you offer to work on the farm for free, instead of offering him money to lease? Just a lot of questions that have come into play while watching the owner of the farm I hunt on talking to individuals who stopped by to ask permission to hunt his farm.
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Post by bomonster on Mar 12, 2008 19:15:52 GMT -5
Sorry about the landowners, but if you'd like to do some pheasant hunting or some coyote hunting next fall/winter and aren't to far away send me a P.M. and maybe we'll find you some deer ground.
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Post by Hawkeye on Mar 12, 2008 21:56:01 GMT -5
I have determined there is few landowners. Or none that I have found as of yet who are willing to either give permission or to lease land to a hunter who very politely asks permission to hunt. Found this out last Sat when I knocked on a farmers front door around 12 O'Clock. And inquired about permission to hunt deer for the 2008 season. He told me NO. And then proceeded to inform me that all hunters were alike. Because they all wanted to hunt on everybody else's land for free. I told him I would be willing to pay to lease some of his land to hunt on. At that point was instructed to take my money and shove it were the sun doesn't shine. So I have decided to give up. I spend more time trying to find a place to hunt then I actually hunt.I've determined it's not worth the trouble. Mac67t I Agree with you,When I retired from law enforcement and moved to Indiana 3 years ago I met face to face and spoke to about thirty farmers keeping a log as to where and who I spoke with about hunting on there land.Dressed properly,well shaven, Polite, prety much hat in hand,even had my wife with me on several visits.some would not even shake my hand when offered. Many were down right rude and two even accused me of poaching on there land the year befor I moved here.several told me in strong terms to get off and stay off there property.The one farmer who agreed to let me hunt ,if I improved the property,like fences,food plots, pot holes,Cutting grass,triming. I worked on his property two and three days a week for two months.He leased the land out from under me after the improvments was done, did not even have the courtesy to tell me,I found out from the next door property owner.This news just befor season opened. At this point I was ready to move somewhere else even if my wife was now home with her folks.Being a life time hunter and now retired having time to hunt and fish I was devastated. Two guys on this list agreed to let me hunt there property,I sincerely appreciated the offers.This kind of restored my faith in good neighbors as I had been use to. Fortunately another hunting land came about,through family members. I will not ask,or beg again.Will lease if necessary, I am now trying to buy the land I hunt. |
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Post by bschwein on Mar 13, 2008 8:45:11 GMT -5
I agree, its getting hard to hunt places around here. 1. you can't get permission. 2. you get permission but they let everybody and there brother hunt as well. Its no wonder the lease ideal is getting popular around here. Its not even so much about killing these monster deer every year. Its about having a place where you don't have to deal with everybody else. If it gets to the point where you cant even lease anyplace, I'll just move out west.
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Post by parrothead on Mar 13, 2008 10:01:42 GMT -5
Like I have said and others have said for years it is getting to and will get to the point if you dont own land you wont be able to hunt. Guys just buy your own then you can be the ones saying no hunting.
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Post by mac67t on Mar 13, 2008 11:45:28 GMT -5
To answer some questions. I asked about 15 landowners. I would say 3/4 said no right away and the others said no because other's were hunting. And to answer the question about what I was wearing and what I was driving. Blue jeans t-shirt and a Irish hat. I drive a 2004 dodge ram quad cab. I'm clean shaven I do have a gotee. But it's trimed as short as my trimmers will go. As far as how long my hair is it' short. Military short. Every spring I spend about three weekends talking to farmers to see if I can get permission to hunt. I have done this for three years now. With no success. I had a lease through the coal mine's in my area but lost it three years ago due to mining operations.
I always end up back on public land. I havent killed a buck since I lost my lease. And not from lack of trying. I take off the first week of gun season every year. And I hunt from sunup to sunset. This past year never fired my gun. I hope this helps answer some question's some may have had.
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Post by mac67t on Mar 13, 2008 11:53:44 GMT -5
I live in Evansville.
Mac67t
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Post by 10point on Mar 13, 2008 12:05:16 GMT -5
I always end up back on public land. I havent killed a buck since I lost my lease. I'm curious. Are you just buck hunting? |
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Post by mac67t on Mar 13, 2008 13:09:44 GMT -5
No buck or doe.
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Post by freedomhunter on Mar 13, 2008 18:42:40 GMT -5
I would be scouting public ground with that kind of response from landowners. There are still some good people left out there that will give responsible hunters access, but not many. My best success is with owners that farm and want deer killed and most are very picky and hard to please, you really can't do enough for them and it is usually only temporary.
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Post by robster on Mar 13, 2008 21:57:46 GMT -5
Where are you looking to hunt at?
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Post by Old Ironsights on Mar 17, 2008 15:21:20 GMT -5
I've now lived in Indiana for 4 seasons.
The only places I've been able to get "permission" to hunt is DNR land - and then the only reasonably safe place for me to hunt (within a day's drive) was the State Park Draw.
AFAIK the only way to get access to private land is to be related to someone &/or work with them - because not even Church Folks will share their spots.
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Post by steiny on Mar 24, 2008 20:12:45 GMT -5
I don't get it? I have found it rather easy to get places to hunt, and have more ground than I can effectively cover on the amount of days I have to hunt.
I suspect several are taking the wrong approach. Put yourself in the landowners shoes. A complete stranger comes up to your door unannounced asking for a favor. For starters you are going to be suspicious, and in all likelyhood you are going to turn that stranger down.
First of all you need to meet the landowner on some sort of a friendly basis and don't even talk about hunting. Work on making a friend first. Sooner or later the hunting thing will come up, and you'll likely get permission. Figure out where you can meet and hang around these landowners; 4H, church functions, Lions club, or whatever and make the friendship first. After that hunting permission will come easy.
Don't try to be shady about this stuff, be sincere and put forth some effort. Friends let their friends hunt.
If you don't have the ability to pull that off, just work with a lease broker like BaseCamp and lease a farm to hunt. Heck, you won't even have to speak to the landowner.
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Post by gundude on Mar 25, 2008 7:09:01 GMT -5
Steiny has it right. .... I do it all the time... I have more places to hunt than I can count...... Making friends with landowners is key........ The hunting part will come around in time.
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Post by turkeyscout on Mar 25, 2008 7:30:43 GMT -5
..heres' a tip on how i get permission.... buy a plat book of the county you wish to hunt..never ask during hunting season. study the plat book, know the name of the farmers around the area, it helps when talking to farmers to bring up there neighbors names. the best time to ask is earily real earily before someone else beat you to it,also i like to go on RAINY days, this always catch the farmer in his barn and not as busy as usual....hope this helps....go alone too!!!...this last fall i got permission to turkey hunt on 600 acres because the folks had a rummage sale...it was a good way to chit chat with them and it worked,also it doesn't hurt to have a plan "b" if your favorite spot changes..i could not pass that up ......turkey scout
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Post by Hunter369 on Mar 25, 2008 7:57:19 GMT -5
If the first thing you ask is if you can hunt, you will be lucky to find anything. Like what was said before, try to become friends with the farmers. Go to the local coffee shop and bs with them. Permission is not easy to get, but it is possible with a little effort. If you have any little kids, you could bring them too. I have heard this works. No farmer's wife will let him turn you down.
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Post by mac67t on Mar 25, 2008 10:57:31 GMT -5
To the one's who say they have more land then they can hunt. What counties do you live in?
Because in southern Indiana it is'nt that easy. I went to school in Mt.vernon I have even went and talked to a few guy's I went to school with that have farm's and there answer's were no also. They don't let people hunt. So don't tell me to become freind's with the farmer's because that does'nt work either. I live in Evansville I would like to now what coffe shop's farmer's go to? Because I don't see a farmer hanging out at star bucks for a morning bs session. Every year my self and my hunting partner set down with a plate book and high light 20 to 30 properties that we would like to try and get permission to hunt. We have done this for the last three years since we lost our lease to the coal mine's. And we go out in march and start asking permission. We both go that way the landowners get to met both of us. And every year it's the same thing NO. We have never been successful in getting permission to deer hunt . We've had a couple and I mean a couple (2) in the last three years give us permission to rabbit hunt only on there land. So if any one would like to come down to southern Indiana and go with me and show me how it's done just let me now. Because I don't now what couties you guys live in. And as far as base camp leasing. I check it every day along with a couple others. They either want $2000an up for land that most of the time is 90% crop feilds. Or there just isn't anything in my area to lease. You guys check it out and you will see. The only land to lease in southern indiana on base camp is 140 arces in Gibson county. I went and looked at this land. And if it rains this land floods. So to answer the question about leaseing company's been there. So any other pointers ypo guy's what to share. But so far Every thing every one is saying I have done.
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Post by parrothead on Mar 25, 2008 13:11:32 GMT -5
Have you offered to give them some free labor. Tell them you will give them 10 hours a week for the summer months. Lots of hay and crop work to do then.
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Post by Hawkeye on Mar 25, 2008 20:36:48 GMT -5
I feel your pain,having gotten tired of asking .But have you tried marrying the farmers ugly daughter, That actually worked for a friend of mine!-LOL
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