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Post by tomstrap on Sept 26, 2006 15:36:52 GMT -5
I hear through the grapevine that the DNR is thinking about allowing centerfire rifles for deer in Indiana. It won't be this season, but is on the back burner for maybe next year or the following year. I personally think the idea is great. I would like some input from the rest of you as I have a few ideas/questions such as, 1. Who thinks it is a great idea? 2. Who thinks it might be better if they limited it to rifles of .40 caliber or larger? 3. How about limiting it to rifles who's speed is, let's say, 2500fps or slower? 4. Should this be a bucks only hunt? 5. Should you have to qualify to use centerfires? 6. Any other ideas/questions.
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Post by firstwd on Sept 26, 2006 16:27:11 GMT -5
Where did you hear this?
The last I heard they were considering was allowing rifles in pistol calibers, not "center fire rifles."
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Post by hornharvester on Sept 26, 2006 17:56:23 GMT -5
It will never happen...... the dnr is already concerned with the bullet speed of current weapons. h.h.
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Post by hunter480 on Sept 26, 2006 18:30:09 GMT -5
A pistol cartdrige rifle is a centerfire rifle-tomstrap, this has already been discussed in a couple of other threads.
It is being considered again for potentially next season, but nothing is definate.
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Post by kevin1 on Sept 26, 2006 19:47:48 GMT -5
1. Who thinks it is a great idea? I do , any reason to add to my gun cabinet is a good start . 2. Who thinks it might be better if they limited it to rifles of .40 caliber or larger? Caliber shouldn't be the issue since they won't allow anything too small anyway . 3. How about limiting it to rifles who's speed is, let's say, 2500fps or slower? Why ? Wouldn't limiting them to single shot bolt actions be a safer choice ?4. Should this be a bucks only hunt? Stupid question . 5. Should you have to qualify to use center fires? Should all firearms users have to qualify as well ? Of course not .
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Post by coyote6974 on Sept 26, 2006 20:09:08 GMT -5
There are already several centerfire rifles currently allowed. Fully "rifled" shotguns firing sabots are centerfire rifles. Inline muzzleloaders using 209 primers are centerfire rifles. A rifle is defined by its rifled barrel. Not by the type of cartridge that it shoots.
Good hunting y'all.. Coyote 6974
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Post by Decatur on Sept 27, 2006 6:22:39 GMT -5
There are already several centerfire rifles currently allowed. Fully "rifled" shotguns firing sabots are centerfire rifles. Inline muzzleloaders using 209 primers are centerfire rifles. A rifle is defined by its rifled barrel. Not by the type of cartridge that it shoots.Good hunting y'all.. Coyote 6974 True, but the word "centerfire" denotes a riflr firing a centerfire cartridge, not ANY type of MUZZLEloader.
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Post by birddog on Sept 27, 2006 6:48:21 GMT -5
Definition of a rifle:A firearm with a rifled bore, designed to be fired from the shoulder.
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Post by tomstrap on Sept 27, 2006 7:11:51 GMT -5
Sorry if I didn't get the heading right for this thread. I was should have made it Centerfire Rifles, or High Powered rifles. What I am refering to isuseing rifles in Indiana ie. 30-30, .270 Winchester, 30-06, 444 Marlin, etc.
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Post by js2397 on Sept 27, 2006 7:13:54 GMT -5
Too many decisions are made based on opinion and pressure from certain groups. The reason you have to plug your gun when you duck hunt is that the people who use double-barreled shotguns felt like they were at a disadvantage. It has nothing to do with the amount of birds they could harvest. The reason you can’t use a crossbow is too many people think it is a rifle and will shoot a deer in the next county. The only advantage it has over a compound is it does not have to be drawn when you are getting ready to shoot. The reason you can only shoot one buck is there is a group that thinks the best way to insure big bucks for them is to limit others. The reason you can’t use a rifle is people believe they are unsafe. If there is any data to show there are far less accidents in shotgun only states I would be impressed. It is time we make some laws based on science and fact instead of emotion and special interest groups.
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Post by chicobrownbear on Sept 27, 2006 7:18:16 GMT -5
I'm all for the pistol cartridge rifles. Not sure about the high powered rifles.
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Post by birddog on Sept 27, 2006 7:18:47 GMT -5
The reason you can’t use a crossbow is too many people think it is a rifle and will shoot a deer in the next county.
The last time I checked crossbows are legal in Indiana..
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Post by js2397 on Sept 27, 2006 7:22:23 GMT -5
I meant during early archery and in other states that don't allow them. All the things I am talking about are everywhere not just in Indiana.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Sept 27, 2006 7:35:00 GMT -5
1 = yes 2-6 = no
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Post by Decatur on Sept 27, 2006 7:36:31 GMT -5
Too many decisions are made based on opinion and pressure from certain groups. The reason you have to plug your gun when you duck hunt is that the people who use double-barreled shotguns felt like they were at a disadvantage. It has nothing to do with the amount of birds they could harvest. The reason you can’t use a crossbow is too many people think it is a rifle and will shoot a deer in the next county. The only advantage it has over a compound is it does not have to be drawn when you are getting ready to shoot. The reason you can only shoot one buck is there is a group that thinks the best way to insure big bucks for them is to limit others. The reason you can’t use a rifle is people believe they are unsafe. If there is any data to show there are far less accidents in shotgun only states I would be impressed. It is time we make some laws based on science and fact instead of emotion and special interest groups. Well said. Although I would be concerned about the range centerfire rifles carry, mainly because you know some a**holes will think they're Carlos Hathcock and try taking 800 yard shots. There are not many places in Indiana where that would be safe based on population and dwellings.
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Post by chicobrownbear on Sept 27, 2006 7:48:02 GMT -5
I'm with D on this one. Long shots would be taken by people who don't need to be taking them.
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Post by birddog on Sept 27, 2006 9:16:26 GMT -5
I'm with D on this one. Long shots would be taken by people who don't need to be taking them.
TRUE!!!!!!!
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Post by js2397 on Sept 27, 2006 11:26:07 GMT -5
Here is some data so you can decide for yourselves.
Type Max Distance Maximum Point Blank Range
20 gauge 1.47 miles 177 yards
12gauge 1.5 miles 194 yards
.444 1.69 miles 226 yards
.45-70 1.7 miles 204 yards
.50 cal muzzleloader 1.85 miles 223 yards
.30-30 2.2 miles 245 yards
.243 2.47 miles 300 yards
.25-06 2.65 miles 307 yards
.30-06 2.74 miles 302 yards
.300 2.8 miles 337 yards
.270 3 miles 320 yards
.280 3.08 miles 316 yards
Max distance is the distance the bullet will travel if shot at a 45◦ angle.
Maximum Point Blank Range is the distance the bullet will travel without going more than 3.5 inches above or below the point of aim.
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Post by firstwd on Sept 27, 2006 12:42:31 GMT -5
High Powered rifles are not allowed in Indiana due to population, most county's roads are set up on a 1 mile grid, the State is predominately flat. High powered Riffles have too much range to be safe. That's why I don't like the Contenders in HPR calibers. Also, I heard, why the pistol cartridge rifles were being discussed and possibly outlawing pistols in HPR cartridges.
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Post by indianahick on Sept 27, 2006 13:40:59 GMT -5
I talked to a CO about high powers several years ago. At that time reasons were population density and shot carry distance. Although I would like to see pistol cartridge rifles okayed I feel that there are tomany shooters out there that think they are everybit as good as military snipers especially with the high powers.
Oh even though a shotgun barrel is rifled it is still a shotgun.
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