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Post by hunter480 on Sept 27, 2006 16:20:53 GMT -5
There are already several centerfire rifles currently allowed. Fully "rifled" shotguns firing sabots are centerfire rifles. Inline muzzleloaders using 209 primers are centerfire rifles. A rifle is defined by its rifled barrel. Not by the type of cartridge that it shoots. Good hunting y'all.. Coyote 6974 Nice try, but, uh...... no.
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Post by hunter480 on Sept 27, 2006 16:22:12 GMT -5
Too many decisions are made based on opinion and pressure from certain groups. The reason you have to plug your gun when you duck hunt is that the people who use double-barreled shotguns felt like they were at a disadvantage. It has nothing to do with the amount of birds they could harvest. The reason you can’t use a crossbow is too many people think it is a rifle and will shoot a deer in the next county. The only advantage it has over a compound is it does not have to be drawn when you are getting ready to shoot. The reason you can only shoot one buck is there is a group that thinks the best way to insure big bucks for them is to limit others. The reason you can’t use a rifle is people believe they are unsafe. If there is any data to show there are far less accidents in shotgun only states I would be impressed. It is time we make some laws based on science and fact instead of emotion and special interest groups. Well said. Although I would be concerned about the range centerfire rifles carry, mainly because you know some a**holes will think they're Carlos Hathcock and try taking 800 yard shots. There are not many places in Indiana where that would be safe based on population and dwellings. Wow-A well read fellow-I wonder how many of our chums have read about Carlos?
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Post by huxbux on Sept 27, 2006 17:55:12 GMT -5
Well said. Although I would be concerned about the range centerfire rifles carry, mainly because you know some a**holes will think they're Carlos Hathcock and try taking 800 yard shots. There are not many places in Indiana where that would be safe based on population and dwellings. Wow-A well read fellow-I wonder how many of our chums have read about Carlos? Hav'nt read about Hathcock, but saw a History Channel show on snipers that devoted a good amount of time to his career. The man was a legend in the sniper community, and struck terror in the hearts of the Viet Cong and NVA. None of us are him. I'd only support the use of high-powered rifles for deer hunting in certain remote areas of the state. With the very best shotgun slugs and muzzleloaders avaliable, we're approaching a 200 yard range. Is'nt that far enough?
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Post by coyote6974 on Sept 27, 2006 19:46:44 GMT -5
There are already several centerfire rifles currently allowed. Fully "rifled" shotguns firing sabots are centerfire rifles. Inline muzzleloaders using 209 primers are centerfire rifles. A rifle is defined by its rifled barrel. Not by the type of cartridge that it shoots. Good hunting y'all.. Coyote 6974 Nice try, but, uh...... no. What do you mean but, uh......no? A rifle is defined as a shoulder fired weapon with a rifled barrel, and a shotgun is defined as a shoulder fired smoothbore weapon designed to fire shot at short range. A cartridge is defined as a tube of metal, paper, or both containg a complete charge for a firearm and usu an initiating device (as a cap). Given this I'd think that when you remove the smoothbore shotgun barrel and replace it with a fully rifled barrel, the shotgun is no longer a shotgun, but is now a centerfire rifle. Inline muzzleloaders are rifles. I think that when you spark them with a 209 primer it's nothing but a centerfire rifle. JMHO coyote 6974
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Post by greenhunter5364 on Sept 27, 2006 20:54:39 GMT -5
Currently you may legally use any centerfire high powered rifle to hunt game with in Indiana EXCEPT deer and turkeys. Also you may hunt deer in Indiana with pistols that have 15" barrels and fire such calibers as the .243 Win., .308 Win., 25-06, 30-06, 45-70 gov't. (that is not a complete list) So if you can legally bag a deer in Indiana with a .308 pistol at 250 yards, why not just cut the crap and make the same caliber rifle legal too! In the woods, a bullet will not travel far before it hits wood and gets stopped. population density is not a valid argument for keeping centerfire rifles out of the hands of deer hunters.
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Post by Decatur on Sept 28, 2006 6:21:07 GMT -5
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Post by birddog on Sept 28, 2006 7:01:35 GMT -5
In the woods, a bullet will not travel far before it hits wood and gets stopped. population density is not a valid argument for keeping centerfire rifles out of the hands of deer hunters.
YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!!!!! ESPECIALLY THE LAST SENTENCE.............
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Post by js2397 on Sept 28, 2006 7:45:58 GMT -5
If you look at the data I put up a muzzleloader is basically good to 223 yards with no adjustment. A .300 Win. mag is good to 337 yards with no adjustment. That is not enough of a difference to outlaw them in my opinion. Especially when I can go out and hunt anything except deer and turkeys with a rifle and I can shoot the same cartridges out of a handgun. The main advantage gained is centerfire rifles are more accurate than shotguns and easier to deal with than muzzleloaders.
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Post by birddog on Sept 28, 2006 8:23:48 GMT -5
js2397.......
I think the "big" thing that you're over looking here is that hunting in Indiana is a much different hunt than that of hunting deer or turkey let's say in Ks.,Wyoming,Montana,Colorado or any other western state and that is mainly because of the population and the closeness in which everyone in Indiana lives.Here in Indiana there's a house,trailer or somebody living just about up every holler,nook and cranny you find,and out west it's just not that way so the centerfire rifle comes into play more there than it does here..I think the DNR is doing the right thing by not opening up the use of these here especially during deer and turkey seasons.
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Post by larryhagmansliver on Sept 28, 2006 8:32:40 GMT -5
Too many decisions are made based on opinion and pressure from certain groups. The reason you have to plug your gun when you duck hunt is that the people who use double-barreled shotguns felt like they were at a disadvantage. It has nothing to do with the amount of birds they could harvest. The reason you can’t use a crossbow is too many people think it is a rifle and will shoot a deer in the next county. The only advantage it has over a compound is it does not have to be drawn when you are getting ready to shoot. The reason you can only shoot one buck is there is a group that thinks the best way to insure big bucks for them is to limit others. The reason you can’t use a rifle is people believe they are unsafe. If there is any data to show there are far less accidents in shotgun only states I would be impressed. It is time we make some laws based on science and fact instead of emotion and special interest groups. Well said. Although I would be concerned about the range centerfire rifles carry, mainly because you know some a**holes will think they're Carlos Hathcock and try taking 800 yard shots. There are not many places in Indiana where that would be safe based on population and dwellings.
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Post by firstwd on Sept 28, 2006 11:28:32 GMT -5
How many have heard the completely eerie sound of a slug whizzing by you in the woods? Right now you can usually hear the gun going off and give that person a talk about safety. With HPR's you may never know where it came from, or you may never know who you killed. Yes, modern M.L. have great range. I'm good out to 200 yards, but beyond that mine drops 10" or more by 250 yards.
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Post by Decatur on Sept 28, 2006 12:01:18 GMT -5
It's not that I think centerfire rifles are absolutely too dangerous to hunt with in Indiana, it's just that some of the people that would be using them scare the he!! out of me! I'm sure a lot of the responsible hunters on this forum and elsewhere, would be perfectly safe to hunt with a .270, but there are a lot of people who aren't. That is why I say no to centerfires for deer in Indiana.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2006 12:09:16 GMT -5
There are places in Indiana where I think hunting with high powered rifles would be safe enough. Not many, but some.
That being said, I don't think they are the least bit necessary. I have NEVER run into a hunting situation in this state where I would require a high powered rifle to take a deer. My shotgun setup is good to at least 150 yards...muzzleloader probably another 50 or 60. The longest shot I have ever attempted at a deer in Indiana would be probably 100 yards tops. The vast majority of the shots I get are inside 75 yards. The way our landscape sets up, there are very few places in this state where you would ever need to shoot a high powered rifle to take a deer.
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Post by Decatur on Sept 28, 2006 12:31:42 GMT -5
I agree.
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Post by birddog on Sept 28, 2006 13:33:02 GMT -5
I ALSO AGREE!!!!!!
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 28, 2006 13:56:00 GMT -5
Let's just don't confuse the pistol cartridge rifles, albeit centerfires, with the centerfires such as 30.06 and so on.
The IDNR has prososed to allow the use of the pistol cartridge rilfes for deer but not the "high powered" rifles.
I, for one, applaud them for that.
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Post by Decatur on Sept 28, 2006 14:18:50 GMT -5
Me too!
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Post by birddog on Sept 28, 2006 14:27:09 GMT -5
AGREED!!!!!!!!
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Post by steiny on Sept 28, 2006 17:16:58 GMT -5
I'd love to whack a deer with my .45 Long Colt cowboy rifle. I could support allowing such calibers for harvesting does one weekend or so during the late season. Don't think I would support it during the general firearms season, as we have too many uninformed hunters that think "a centerfire rifle, is a centerfire rifle". They would be thinking their .44 is just as good as a .270, and launching bullets across the fields in every direction.
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Post by hunter480 on Sept 28, 2006 18:44:05 GMT -5
Nice try, but, uh...... no. What do you mean but, uh......no? A rifle is defined as a shoulder fired weapon with a rifled barrel, and a shotgun is defined as a shoulder fired smoothbore weapon designed to fire shot at short range. A cartridge is defined as a tube of metal, paper, or both containg a complete charge for a firearm and usu an initiating device (as a cap). Given this I'd think that when you remove the smoothbore shotgun barrel and replace it with a fully rifled barrel, the shotgun is no longer a shotgun, but is now a centerfire rifle. Inline muzzleloaders are rifles. I think that when you spark them with a 209 primer it's nothing but a centerfire rifle. JMHO coyote 6974 Ok, I thought, (hoped), you were kidding. First, a shotgun with a rifled is still just that, a shotgun. It more lobs slugs in than fires them, it`s trajectory isn`t "rifle like". It`s a short range weapon at best-I know I`ve heard the stories of guys getting 2 inch groups at 100 yards, but I don`t believe it. As for a muzzleloader being a centerfire rifle, by it`s very definition, a centerfire rifle is one that fires a cartridge in which the primer in the “center” of the bottom of the round. And you can`t even get by with saying the modern muzzleloaders have “centerfire” like capability, because they have nowhere the effective range-so I stand by my statement that, uh, no.
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