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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 28, 2006 19:21:49 GMT -5
Nice try, but, uh...... no. What do you mean but, uh......no? A rifle is defined as a shoulder fired weapon with a rifled barrel, and a shotgun is defined as a shoulder fired smoothbore weapon designed to fire shot at short range. A cartridge is defined as a tube of metal, paper, or both containg a complete charge for a firearm and usu an initiating device (as a cap). Given this I'd think that when you remove the smoothbore shotgun barrel and replace it with a fully rifled barrel, the shotgun is no longer a shotgun, but is now a centerfire rifle. Yep.. it becomes a BIG caliber slow speed rifle.. Yes.. Debateable.. |
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Post by coyote6974 on Sept 28, 2006 19:30:00 GMT -5
What do you mean but, uh......no? A rifle is defined as a shoulder fired weapon with a rifled barrel, and a shotgun is defined as a shoulder fired smoothbore weapon designed to fire shot at short range. A cartridge is defined as a tube of metal, paper, or both containg a complete charge for a firearm and usu an initiating device (as a cap). Given this I'd think that when you remove the smoothbore shotgun barrel and replace it with a fully rifled barrel, the shotgun is no longer a shotgun, but is now a centerfire rifle. Inline muzzleloaders are rifles. I think that when you spark them with a 209 primer it's nothing but a centerfire rifle. JMHO coyote 6974 Ok, I thought, (hoped), you were kidding. First, a shotgun with a rifled is still just that, a shotgun. It more lobs slugs in than fires them, it`s trajectory isn`t"rifle like". It`s a short range weapon at best-I know I`ve heard the stories of guys getting 2 inch groups at 100 yards, but I don`t believe it. As for a muzzleloader being a centerfire rifle, by it`s very definition, a centerfire rifle is one that fires a cartridge in which the primer in the “center” of the bottom of the round. And you can`t even get by with saying the modern muzzleloaders have “centerfire” like capability, because they have nowhere the effective range-so I stand by my statement that, uh, no. When I posted that I was only about half serious. Hence the reference to muzzleloaders. I got the impression from your reply that that you were inferring I was.. uhh ignorant. I can really care less as I hunt deer with a .44 Magnum handgun, and a bow. I will stand by my statement, that a shotgun, when fitted with a fully rifled barrel, is no longer a shotgun. It is now a centerfire RIFLE. Whats trajectory got to do with it? If it has a rifled barrel and is fired from the shoulder, it's a RIFLE. To be a shotgun it must have a smoothbore barrel. Take it or leave it.. Coyote 6974 PS.. Where did "center" of the bottom of the round come from? You mean the center of the head of the case don't you? |
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Post by huxbux on Sept 28, 2006 20:57:34 GMT -5
Agreed.
Agreed
Agreed
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Post by firstwd on Sept 28, 2006 21:23:59 GMT -5
If you really want to argue about shotguns being rifles, think about this. A shotgun with a smooth bore shooting rifled slugs is actually a short range rifle. It shoots a single round.
By the way, I get groups inside a mayonnaise jar lid at 100 yards with my Remington 1100 20 guage with 28" I.C. fixed choke and 4 x 32 scope.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2006 6:55:15 GMT -5
I would agree that a well scoped, fully rifled, quality shotgun shooting qualtity saboted slugs should be able to accomplish 2 inch groups at 100 yards. Go much outside 100 yards and it changes dramatically. I don't know about 2 inch groups at 100 yards with my shooting ability, but I can get consistent 3 to 4 inch groups, no problem.
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