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Post by M4Madness on Oct 12, 2017 19:44:28 GMT -5
M4madness I wish I shared your optimism.... You guys are giving the legislators too much credit. I just can't see them being so sly as to pull off a public land rifle ban intentionally, especially when there hasn't been a single accident attributed to them. The law last year listed the legal HPR calibers and said they were only legal on private property. Then the law this year is essentially the same, only changing the caliber list to simply anything .243 and larger. What they failed to realize is that ALL of the PCR calibers are greater than.243". Lol!
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Post by M4Madness on Oct 12, 2017 17:58:13 GMT -5
Banning them from public land was an accident, not intentional.
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Post by M4Madness on Oct 12, 2017 17:15:48 GMT -5
Just had a year and a half old 6-pointer less than 20 yards behind me. To be honest, he snuck in on me and I didn't know he was there until I stood up to raise my climber section a little higher. Lol! He heard a slight noise and blew, which surprised me. He was upwind and never smelled or saw me, and after blowing a few more times, he went on his merry way.
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Post by M4Madness on Oct 12, 2017 15:58:16 GMT -5
I guess I will be the first to complain and think this is a bunch of BS. Ive hunted on public ground all my life and enjoy the freedom. A few months ago I ordered the new ruger bolt action .450 bushmaster to hunt on public ground. It took me over a month to get it. Bought my ammo and nice scope and its sighted in ready to go. This is BS in my eyes,and makes no sense. Today's muzzleloaders can reach out 200 yards!!!!!! This is noting but BS probably from the left trying to flex its muscles since they lost the elections. Yea I know im just venting, but it really ticks me off and I would have never bought this new ruger if I had known this. Lets see, lets ban rifled slug barrels and limit shotguns to a single shot. What about modern muzzle loading rifles also, flint lock only!!!. Any weapon in the wrong hands can be dangerous, don't punish responsible hunters. If it's any consolation, this ban wasn't intentional -- it was a mistake in the law's wording and will be rectified this next spring.
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Post by M4Madness on Oct 12, 2017 15:53:12 GMT -5
I've only been out the two Saturdays so far. Tonight is my first evening hunt of the year, which is bizarre when you consider the fact that I normally hunt every day. A timber jack is running around down over the ridge from me on the other side of the shallow creek that bisects this farm. I can't see it from my tree, but it is probably 400 yards or so from me.
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Post by M4Madness on Oct 11, 2017 18:27:04 GMT -5
Yes, Billy, sorry as well hear about your beloved canine.
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Post by M4Madness on Oct 11, 2017 10:37:22 GMT -5
greetings The law over here is if one comes across an injured deer, road casualty or otherwise, one can use whatever means at hand to end the animals suffering, and if that is a hammer or a tyre lever so be it. One may have to give a reason for your actions if an anti see's you, but that is the law. Roe deer i favour either shotgun or knife if on the hard road. sometimes i use the hornet with a light on the scope Bigger species on the road shotgun every time. i get called out from time to time. regards Billy I haven't seen you post in a while, Billy. Good to see that you are still kicking.
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Post by M4Madness on Oct 10, 2017 20:30:02 GMT -5
The easy fix would be to allow all rifles .243 and larger on both public and private land. Lol! ? How could that be any more easy than something that is done. It's over. Law is the law all that. Can't get easier than just stop. I only hunt private land, so none of this nonsense affects my life in the slightest, but at least I can sympathize with my fellow hunters who only hunt public lands.
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Post by M4Madness on Oct 10, 2017 17:52:45 GMT -5
I once had a landowner meet me at my vehicle at dark after I'd spent the evening hunting on his property. He said that there was a gut shot deer on the other side of the farm and asked me to finish it off with my muzzleloader. I went with him, but refused to shoot it after dark. Instead, I ran it down and grabbed it by a rear leg, which resulted in the deer spinning all around me like a junebug on a string. I finally tackled it and slit its throat. It wasn't pretty, but I couldn't let it suffer anymore. I had a teacher in high school that tried this. I caught a hoof to the shin and was on crutches for a few days. In my defense, it was an approximately 7-month old doe fawn. Now, the full-grown, still-full-of-fight doe that I strangled with my bare hands around 20 years ago is a different story altogether.
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Post by M4Madness on Oct 10, 2017 15:04:46 GMT -5
Why do that when the law can simply be fixed? The General Assembly has already done what the DNR was too nervous to do, so any "hard feelings" won't be erased with a repeal. This whole thing may hinge on a single person's interpretation of the bill as it is, meaning that there may not even be a problem with it as written. The DNR may come out and say that there is no conflict between the two laws and that things are just as they were last season. Who knows? Because they have had TWO chances at it and screwed it up both times. You think theyll magically get it right the third time? The easy fix would be to allow all rifles .243 and larger on both public and private land. Lol!
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Post by M4Madness on Oct 10, 2017 10:46:25 GMT -5
Instead of writing your representatives and asking them to fix this, put your wants aside and ask them to repeal it. Why do that when the law can simply be fixed? The General Assembly has already done what the DNR was too nervous to do, so any "hard feelings" won't be erased with a repeal. This whole thing may hinge on a single person's interpretation of the bill as it is, meaning that there may not even be a problem with it as written. The DNR may come out and say that there is no conflict between the two laws and that things are just as they were last season. Who knows?
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Post by M4Madness on Oct 10, 2017 8:51:14 GMT -5
I once had a landowner meet me at my vehicle at dark after I'd spent the evening hunting on his property. He said that there was a gut shot deer on the other side of the farm and asked me to finish it off with my muzzleloader. I went with him, but refused to shoot it after dark. Instead, I ran it down and grabbed it by a rear leg, which resulted in the deer spinning all around me like a junebug on a string. I finally tackled it and slit its throat. It wasn't pretty, but I couldn't let it suffer anymore.
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Post by M4Madness on Oct 8, 2017 19:35:40 GMT -5
Queston, is there any particular reason you don't have cams out during the season? I normally just put a single baited camera on one farm for the first two weeks of August to get a buck inventory. Through trial and error, I found the PERFECT spot to get bachelor groups of bucks each season within a day or two of hanging the camera, and can drive right to it to minimize scent and disturbances. The rest of the properties I hunt get no cameras. I feel that cameras lead to spooked and educated deer, more from the human activity than the camera itself. Having cameras out during season takes some of the challenge out of hunting when used in a scouting manner rather than merely inventory purposes. Not to mention that they are more apt to be stolen by trespassers during season. The only reason I put one out today is because I do not run a camera on this farm, and I watched a buck head to his bed opening morning and caught him in his bed yesterday, and want to get a close up view of him. That spot is pretty dead this year, and I'd rather focus on greener pastures if he turns out to not be what I'm after.
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Post by M4Madness on Oct 8, 2017 19:21:10 GMT -5
If you compare the old HPR bill, HB1231, to the new HPR bill, HB 1415, the wording around "The use of a rifle is permitted only on privately owned land." is exactly the same, but this wasn't an issue last year. I wondered the exact same thing, but never compared the two bills.
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Post by M4Madness on Oct 8, 2017 18:19:16 GMT -5
Since we all know that banning PCR's from public land was not the General Assembly's intention, the right thing for the DNR is to unofficially "overlook" any of those violations this season.
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Post by M4Madness on Oct 8, 2017 17:29:22 GMT -5
Went out in the light rain this evening and placed a trail camera where that buck travels through. I normally don't have a camera out during season, but I want to try to get a closer look at him to see if he's worth pursuing.
I also took the opportunity to fabricate a telescoping tree saw, climb into the stand I hung yesterday, and trim a few small limbs out of the way.
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Post by M4Madness on Oct 8, 2017 8:09:10 GMT -5
Live from the bed. Lol!
I guess I'm getting too old to hang stands, as both of my shoulders ached all night. I tossed and turned all night trying to get comfortable. And I'm having localized pain in my right thigh -- must have hit it on something, but don't recall anything in particular. I don't see any bruising.
Anyway, my 49-year old aches and pains, coupled with dense fog and a pretty good chance for rain kept me home this morning. It's still way early in the season. Lol!
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Post by M4Madness on Oct 7, 2017 20:16:31 GMT -5
Would Hoosier National forest fall under the rules of state properties or is it exempt from Indiana laws and regs? It is covered by Indiana hunting laws and regulations.
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Post by M4Madness on Oct 7, 2017 17:27:32 GMT -5
I took the opportunity this afternoon to pull a hang-on stand with a shooting rail from the side of the farm that is being logged. Normally I am not allowed to drive on the property due to erosion issues, and the HEAVY stand was at least a half mile from the highway, but I followed a skidder all the way up into the woods in my Jeep Cherokee. With no rearview mirror, he never saw me. Lol! I climbed the tree, unhooked the stand and lowered it, then unscrewed each step in record time. I was out of there before the skidder came back down the fresh logging road.
I then crossed the creek (which has lots of dry spots right now), and drove to the top of the hill near where I hunted this morning to drop the stand off in a hopeful spot for firearms season. I then walked back there from the house to hang it. It was grueling, but I got it done. About halfway into it, it started raining hard and continued until I got home 25 minutes ago. In fact, it is still raining.
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Post by M4Madness on Oct 7, 2017 10:17:57 GMT -5
Well, after my last post, I climbed down and still hunted through the woodlot to see what was up. I had the wind in my face and headed towards where that buck bedded on opening morning. Sure enough, I spied a deer stand from its bed and I ducked down. My laser rangefinder indicated 45 yards, and I could see a partial body and very long tines as it slowly looked around. Then it turned and walked away from me, never running.
I waited a few minutes and crept that way. I made it to the field without ever seeing it again. I never saw any deer other than him. I hope that he didn't spook too badly and will continue using that spot until the loggers reach it.
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