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Post by elmo on Nov 16, 2022 16:30:50 GMT -5
I don’t think that managing and reducing are synonyms. At one point years ago the state managed for deer population growth and then went to reduction and now the state is trying to keep the population consistent.
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Post by jman46151 on Nov 16, 2022 16:30:56 GMT -5
I'd like to know anyone's reasoning why they continue to have hunts yearly now at Parks. They need to skip a year or two or rotate, however sounds good. Not just for the hunting aspect, but we can hardly ever see a deer anymore when we visit. It has been a few years since I looked it up but I believe they keep holding the hunts as long as the success rate stays above 25%. I do wish the parks would keep track of people who purposely pass deer and not allow them to keep hunting. Why waste everyone's time if they aren't going to help with the management plan?
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Post by greghopper on Nov 16, 2022 16:33:44 GMT -5
Most folks Hunt Parks because it’s FREE extra Deer IMO
If the state allowed 3 bucks they still park Hunt IMO
As someone else stated Hunting somewhere new and FREE draws Folks.
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Post by span870 on Nov 16, 2022 16:44:49 GMT -5
I'd like to know anyone's reasoning why they continue to have hunts yearly now at Parks. They need to skip a year or two or rotate, however sounds good. Not just for the hunting aspect, but we can hardly ever see a deer anymore when we visit. It has been a few years since I looked it up but I believe they keep holding the hunts as long as the success rate stays above 25%. I do wish the parks would keep track of people who purposely pass deer and not allow them to keep hunting. Why waste everyone's time if they aren't going to help with the management plan? Are we also going to keep track of people that don't hunt both days or all day both days. How many deer could they have killed. Way more than my 3. Monday wasn't even filled up. Tuesday I got there after first light and only 20th out of over 100. I left at 2 on Tuesday. 3 cars left after me.
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Post by span870 on Nov 16, 2022 16:46:09 GMT -5
Most folks Hunt Parks because it’s FREE extra Deer IMO If the state allowed 3 bucks they still park Hunt IMO As someone else stated Hunting somewhere new and FREE draws Folks. That's about why I do it. The free part I could care less. It's the new that I enjoy. I've hunted stupid stuff and way more expensive than free just to see new.
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Post by span870 on Nov 16, 2022 16:50:20 GMT -5
I don’t think that managing and reducing are synonyms. At one point years ago the state managed for deer population growth and then went to reduction and now the state is trying to keep the population consistent. You don't think the state park hunts are in the management part now? They reduced and "reduced" on most of them and are in the "management" stage now. Yes years ago they cared if you passed. Wasn't it brown county that kept any antlers. They just want to numbers to stay in line with what they are. Many hunt every other year.
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Post by span870 on Nov 16, 2022 16:51:43 GMT -5
Anyway. If anyone has the second hunt and wants some places to hunt I can show you some spots.
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Post by greghopper on Nov 16, 2022 17:14:49 GMT -5
Most folks Hunt Parks because it’s FREE extra Deer IMO If the state allowed 3 bucks they still park Hunt IMO As someone else stated Hunting somewhere new and FREE draws Folks. That's about why I do it. The free part I could care less. It's the new that I enjoy. I've hunted stupid stuff and way more expensive than free just to see new. “New” reminds me of old Hank Jr song 😊 youtu.be/EUBxLRN88fE
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Post by titanium700 on Nov 16, 2022 17:53:11 GMT -5
I believe the state factors in the amount of hunters knowing that some if not most will pass on deer to kill a buck. I say hunt however makes you happy and don’t judge others how they hunt. Gotta stick together as hunters or the leftists will eliminate our passion if they got a chance.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 16, 2022 18:31:58 GMT -5
I’ve always considered deer hunting as personal. The only person I want to please is myself. It’s my tags and I’ll fill them the way I want to. I have zero problem how others fill theirs as long as it’s legal deer.
Kill whatever the hunter wants to or don’t. Doesn’t matter to me.
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Post by onebentarrow on Nov 16, 2022 18:49:19 GMT -5
[/quote]Same could be said about the guys that don't show up both days. Same could be said about the guys that leave early and don't hunt until end of shooting time. Do we also ban them? Make the park doe only and you'll see how many guys do just as I do. [/quote]
The guys that don't show up I would have no problem banning them if it was possible. It would not surprise me there are anty hunters applying an getting drawn that have no intention of showing up. As far as leaving early. When I hunted the parks I was a diehard. All day sit till last leagle shooting time but I left 2 times early. One was got soaked in an all day rain and one was bad storms comming with lightning and wind. So as for not staying all day I think the hunters are short changing them selfs but I can understand it. I do think the DNR should take one park and make it doe only to see what the outcome in applications would be and the harvest compared to years past but until they do that all we have is our assumptions and opinions
Onebentarrow
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Post by onebentarrow on Nov 16, 2022 21:00:55 GMT -5
[/quote]Same could be said about the guys that don't show up both days. Same could be said about the guys that leave early and don't hunt until end of shooting time. Do we also ban them? Make the park doe only and you'll see how many guys do just as I do. [/quote]
The guys that don't show up I would have no problem banning them if it was possible. It would not surprise me there are anty hunters applying an getting drawn that have no intention of showing up. As far as leaving early. When I hunted the parks I was a diehard. All day sit till last leagle shooting time but I left 2 times early. One was got soaked in an all day rain and one was bad storms comming with lightning and wind. So as for not staying all day I think the hunters are short changing them selfs but I can understand it. I do think the DNR should take one park and make it doe only to see what the outcome in applications would be and the harvest compared to years past but until they 0do that all we have is our assumptions and opinions
Let me put it this way. If I owned crop land and had deer crop damage and you ask to hunt and I said ok but you are to kill every league deer you can and I find out you were passing does you would not get to hunt any more. Period! I do not care what your reasoning is you took advantage of me and now I am in a bigger hole than I was. Hunting my property or a park is a privilege not a right and should be hunted in the manner ask to honor that privilege. When you sent in your application you were giving your word that you would kill deer as it was stated it was a reduction hunt NOT an extra buck hunt so you broke your word. Doing what is right is never as easy as doing what is exceptable. What is right is right and what is wrong is wrong no matter how any one trys to justify it in their mind I do not type these words to be harsh or vindictive. This is what I believe and what I try to practice in my life. Have I failed?yes. But I beat my self up every time I do. I am my hardest critic. You may not like my beliefs or my opinions and I except that but do not expect me to compromise my principles to except what I understand you are doing is not right no matter how you justify it.
Onebentarrow
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Post by pigeonflier on Nov 16, 2022 21:28:05 GMT -5
Boring...
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Post by span870 on Nov 16, 2022 21:30:28 GMT -5
Same could be said about the guys that don't show up both days. Same could be said about the guys that leave early and don't hunt until end of shooting time. Do we also ban them? Make the park doe only and you'll see how many guys do just as I do. [/quote] The guys that don't show up I would have no problem banning them if it was possible. It would not surprise me there are anty hunters applying an getting drawn that have no intention of showing up. As far as leaving early. When I hunted the parks I was a diehard. All day sit till last leagle shooting time but I left 2 times early. One was got soaked in an all day rain and one was bad storms comming with lightning and wind. So as for not staying all day I think the hunters are short changing them selfs but I can understand it. I do think the DNR should take one park and make it doe only to see what the outcome in applications would be and the harvest compared to years past but until they 0do that all we have is our assumptions and opinions Let me put it this way. If I owned crop land and had deer crop damage and you ask to hunt and I said ok but you are to kill every league deer you can and I find out you were passing does you would not get to hunt any more. Period! I do not care what your reasoning is you took advantage of me and now I am in a bigger hole than I was. Hunting my property or a park is a privilege not a right and should be hunted in the manner ask to honor that privilege. When you sent in your application you were giving your word that you would kill deer as it was stated it was a reduction hunt NOT an extra buck hunt so you broke your word. Doing what is right is never as easy as doing what is exceptable. What is right is right and what is wrong is wrong no matter how any one trys to justify it in their mind I do not type these words to be harsh or vindictive. This is what I believe and what I try to practice in my life. Have I failed?yes. But I beat my self up every time I do. I am my hardest critic. You may not like my beliefs or my opinions and I except that but do not expect me to compromise my principles to except what I understand you are doing is not right no matter how you justify it. Onebentarrow[/quote] Two different things. You own crop land and you want me to kill every deer then I'm not hunting your property. State park suggest that I kill the first three deer. Ask me to. It's not a "rule". Two different situations. Why does this bother you so much? You own land and your neighbors ask me to do the same . You okay with me filling numerous tags on every deer I see. Decimating the population that you see zero deer. Doing what is right is open to interpretation. You okay with someone shooting deer they don't need? You okay with guys killing just to kill. Legally I can kill and tag and feed to my dogs. You okay with me doing that next to your hunting property. Or just right is right as long as it doesn't effect you??? As far as the guys that don't hunt both days or leave early that you "understand". Didn't they also break that contract? They shortchanged themselves. Who could have killed more? Me with my 3 tags or the 90% that leave early or don't hunt both days? Here's what I found out talking to guys the last few days. Most go to park hunts because they don't want to kill doe off their property.
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Post by onebentarrow on Nov 17, 2022 0:16:47 GMT -5
Same could be said about the guys that don't show up both days. Same could be said about the guys that leave early and don't hunt until end of shooting time. Do we also ban them? Make the park doe only and you'll see how many guys do just as I do. The guys that don't show up I would have no problem banning them if it was possible. It would not surprise me there are anty hunters applying an getting drawn that have no intention of showing up. As far as leaving early. When I hunted the parks I was a diehard. All day sit till last leagle shooting time but I left 2 times early. One was got soaked in an all day rain and one was bad storms comming with lightning and wind. So as for not staying all day I think the hunters are short changing them selfs but I can understand it. I do think the DNR should take one park and make it doe only to see what the outcome in applications would be and the harvest compared to years past but until they 0do that all we have is our assumptions and opinions Let me put it this way. If I owned crop land and had deer crop damage and you ask to hunt and I said ok but you are to kill every league deer you can and I find out you were passing does you would not get to hunt any more. Period! I do not care what your reasoning is you took advantage of me and now I am in a bigger hole than I was. Hunting my property or a park is a privilege not a right and should be hunted in the manner ask to honor that privilege. When you sent in your application you were giving your word that you would kill deer as it was stated it was a reduction hunt NOT an extra buck hunt so you broke your word. Doing what is right is never as easy as doing what is exceptable. What is right is right and what is wrong is wrong no matter how any one trys to justify it in their mind I do not type these words to be harsh or vindictive. This is what I believe and what I try to practice in my life. Have I failed?yes. But I beat my self up every time I do. I am my hardest critic. You may not like my beliefs or my opinions and I except that but do not expect me to compromise my principles to except what I understand you are doing is not right no matter how you justify it. Onebentarrow[/quote] Two different things. You own crop land and you want me to kill every deer then I'm not hunting your property. State park suggest that I kill the first three deer. Ask me to. It's not a "rule". Two different situations. Why does this bother you so much? You own land and your neighbors ask me to do the same . You okay with me filling numerous tags on every deer I see. Decimating the population that you see zero deer. Doing what is right is open to interpretation. You okay with someone shooting deer they don't need? You okay with guys killing just to kill. Legally I can kill and tag and feed to my dogs. You okay with me doing that next to your hunting property. Or just right is right as long as it doesn't effect you??? As far as the guys that don't hunt both days or leave early that you "understand". Didn't they also break that contract? They shortchanged themselves. Who could have killed more? Me with my 3 tags or the 90% that leave early or don't hunt both days? Here's what I found out talking to guys the last few days. Most go to park hunts because they don't want to kill doe of their property. [/quote] Doing what is right is NEVER open to interpretation Doing what is right is that feeling in your heart knowing what you did is beyond reproach. If you have read post I made in the past I have always advocated for the meat hunter,the guy that shoots the small buck and the hunter that horn hunts and his right to use his bought and paid for deer tag the way he sees fit. If my neighbor brought in an army and killed every legal deer they could and decimated the herd would I like it?NO! But I have to except it because if I donot I am now wanting to change the rules to suit my own selfish wants. I really do not care if you pass does on a park hunt. If you do I feel you are taking advantage of the system and not holding up your end of the deal. If you do not want to adhear to the implied principal that it is a reduction hunt. Don't apply. If you do not want to shoot does. Don't apply. If you don't want to drag a doe out don't apply. If you go to the hunt and kill 3 does I will assume nothing but figure you either like hunting,need the meat or know some one that does need the meat. What I will know is that person did his best to live up to the expectation put on him for the opertunity to be there. There may not be any thing written In stone but the implied and expectation for the hunt are plain as day. As for those leaving early or not hunting both days,understanding it and likeing it is two different things. If they came in to it knowing they were not gona hunt both days or not hunt all day they were wrong. They not only shortchanged them self but someone else that was willing to hunt both days all day. There selfishness took away the opertunity of some one else If we as people would put aside our selfishness in a lot of different aeras and do what we should and not what we want things would be a lot better. I do not know you but I do NOT think you are a bad person we just have a difference of opinion. I would bet if we meet in the woods and you needed some kind of help(dragging a deer,putting up a stand) I would be willing to help to the best of my abilities. I have stated this befor I do not post to antagonize. These are my opinions my thoughts and how I try to live my life. Onebentarrow
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Post by span870 on Nov 17, 2022 4:33:27 GMT -5
You're putting what you believe is right on other people shoulders. What one believes is right compared to what another believes is right are two different things. These park hunts by no means say you must take three deer. They would like you to take 3. I don't need 3 deer. I don't need to kill deer. It's just me at my house that eats meat. One will justify. I would rather shoot a mature doe or a buck to get the meat instead of several yearlings. To be honest I don't LIKE killing deer and I won't do it just to do it. For you to say what is right is to kill deer I don't need, well my and your right are 2 completely different things. Because I didn't shoot anything I shouldn't go to these hunts. I'm somehow in a different category of those that don't show, don't hunt both days or how about only shoot two because that's all they need? Yeah I suppose we are in 2 different categories on what is "right" and moral in this situation and world. I'd never put my idea of what's right on someone else's legal hunt. As far as being beyond reproach, yeah I sleep well at night knowing I didn't kill something just to kill it. I'd have a harder time sleeping knowing I shot those yearlings just to fill someone else's idea of right
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Post by greghopper on Nov 17, 2022 5:11:19 GMT -5
And after 4 pages we learn when "asked" politely to do something some consider it NOT a rule!
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Post by onebentarrow on Nov 17, 2022 5:28:40 GMT -5
I have decided to not reply to your last post. It is obvious we will not agree with the other and will have to agree to disagree. I will thank you for a very interesting conversation. I have no ill will toward you and wish you the best in your future indevers.
Sincerely
Onebentarrow
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Post by pigeonflier on Nov 17, 2022 5:59:06 GMT -5
The way I see it. Don't push YOUR rules on someone else. I do hunt a reduction area and have passed over 100 does so far this year. I've also heard this same thing. Them owners are gonna kick you out for not killing. Blah blah blah. If you have a problem with the way someone posts their hunt that's a bummer Fer you.
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Post by onebentarrow on Nov 17, 2022 6:24:20 GMT -5
The way I see it. Don't push YOUR rules on someone else. I do hunt a reduction area and have passed over 100 does so far this year. I've also heard this same thing. Them owners are gonna kick you out for not killing. Blah blah blah. If you have a problem with the way someone posts their hunt that's a bummer Fer you. I have no problem with you passing 100 deer on private ground. One way or an other you are meeting the expansions of the land owner and that is a good thing
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