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Post by pigeonflier on Jan 19, 2023 20:08:00 GMT -5
Can't say I ever met the bucks I killed...
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Post by pigeonflier on Jan 24, 2023 13:52:42 GMT -5
It might be about time to throw in the towel for the year...
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Post by hornzilla on Jan 24, 2023 14:47:48 GMT -5
Moved onto a different type of hunting. Hunting down big veneer black walnuts. Found some booners.... $$$$ What's the price of logs now? Not what it was a few months ago.
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 24, 2023 18:32:34 GMT -5
What's the price of logs now? Not what it was a few months ago. Just took a big jump last yew days. Met with my main venear buyer this a.m. on this job. Bought 20 logs off this 30 tree job and said needs all he can get. Walnut venear is always good, lumber logs is what went down , but I am expecting $2 bd.ft. for lumber logs off this job, demand is up mainly because of wet , warm weather, the big guys can't get in woods. Looks like i will pull in over $16k gross off these 30 trees. Way better than I was expecting.
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Post by hornzilla on Jan 24, 2023 19:45:27 GMT -5
Not what it was a few months ago. Just took a big jump last yew days. Met with my main venear buyer this a.m. on this job. Bought 20 logs off this 30 tree job and said needs all he can get. Walnut venear is always good, lumber logs is what went down , but I am expecting $2 bd.ft. for lumber logs off this job, demand is up mainly because of wet , warm weather, the big guys can't get in woods. Looks like i will pull in over $16k gross off these 30 trees. Way better than I was expecting. I wish you the best of luck. I work part time at a mill that is short handed. Since I only work a 4 day work week at my full time job. And there prices are down.
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Post by esshup on Jan 25, 2023 0:58:52 GMT -5
They must have sold the Boy Scout woods at the end of the block. 120 or so acres and it was the only primitive campsite in Indiana for the boy scouts. It was given to them with the stipulation that it would stay a primitive campground. I can't tell you how many truckloads of timber went out of there so far and I have no idea how many more there are to go. I'll swing by there tomorrow and take a picture of the logs left on the landing.
It wasn't logged in at least 200 years is my guess. When I walked through the woods 40+ years ago there were no stumps at all in the woods, deer trails were worn down about a foot in the dirt and the trees were at least 3' diameter.
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Post by pigeonflier on Jan 25, 2023 5:02:47 GMT -5
It might be about time to throw in the towel for the year... I might have thrown in the towel to quick. I have the morning off. It's not too cold yet. And I sure do like this snow...
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Post by pigeonflier on Jan 25, 2023 7:36:43 GMT -5
Sure looks like a perfect morning out here. Couple inchs of fresh snow. Hovering around 33 degrees in town. Just right fer a Killin...
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 25, 2023 8:54:06 GMT -5
They must have sold the Boy Scout woods at the end of the block. 120 or so acres and it was the only primitive campsite in Indiana for the boy scouts. It was given to them with the stipulation that it would stay a primitive campground. I can't tell you how many truckloads of timber went out of there so far and I have no idea how many more there are to go. I'll swing by there tomorrow and take a picture of the logs left on the landing. It wasn't logged in at least 200 years is my guess. When I walked through the woods 40+ years ago there were no stumps at all in the woods, deer trails were worn down about a foot in the dirt and the trees were at least 3' diameter. Might just be having logged? (What county?) Good timber mgt to do a select cut on a property every 50 years , removing mature trees. Better for timber, better for wildlife, and generates income. If a property looks like a park it is horrible wildlife habitat.
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Post by freedomhunter on Jan 25, 2023 9:46:54 GMT -5
Cut with a pretty big sapwood ring it can still go to veneer don't let anyone cut your price for it those are nice logs.
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Post by esshup on Jan 25, 2023 10:36:00 GMT -5
They must have sold the Boy Scout woods at the end of the block. 120 or so acres and it was the only primitive campsite in Indiana for the boy scouts. It was given to them with the stipulation that it would stay a primitive campground. I can't tell you how many truckloads of timber went out of there so far and I have no idea how many more there are to go. I'll swing by there tomorrow and take a picture of the logs left on the landing. It wasn't logged in at least 200 years is my guess. When I walked through the woods 40+ years ago there were no stumps at all in the woods, deer trails were worn down about a foot in the dirt and the trees were at least 3' diameter. Might just be having logged? (What county?) Good timber mgt to do a select cut on a property every 50 years , removing mature trees. Better for timber, better for wildlife, and generates income. If a property looks like a park it is horrible wildlife habitat. It was listed as a classified forest and they have been doing selective cuts the past few years, now the classified forest signs are gone, the "Boy Scouts of America" sign is gone from the corner and while it's not a clear cut, they really are taking out the timber. I get the "open up the canopy to let sunlight to the forest floor to get the smaller trees growing" but the mess that is left with all the tops on the ground is horrible. I get it that removing the tops would be way too costly and impossible, and that they break down in around 10 years or so but it still leaves the woods a mess for a long time. That's why I cannot convince one of my customers to have his 80 acres logged - the mess that is left behind.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 25, 2023 10:41:29 GMT -5
Might just be having logged? (What county?) Good timber mgt to do a select cut on a property every 50 years , removing mature trees. Better for timber, better for wildlife, and generates income. If a property looks like a park it is horrible wildlife habitat. It was listed as a classified forest and they have been doing selective cuts the past few years, now the classified forest signs are gone, the "Boy Scouts of America" sign is gone from the corner and while it's not a clear cut, they really are taking out the timber. I get the "open up the canopy to let sunlight to the forest floor to get the smaller trees growing" but the mess that is left with all the tops on the ground is horrible. I get it that removing the tops would be way too costly and impossible, and that they break down in around 10 years or so but it still leaves the woods a mess for a long time. That's why I cannot convince one of my customers to have his 80 acres logged - the mess that is left behind. If there’s a mess left behind then someone is using the Wrong loggers. If it’s taken out of classifieds forest then they have to follow the rules for doing that.
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Post by esshup on Jan 25, 2023 11:04:16 GMT -5
It was listed as a classified forest and they have been doing selective cuts the past few years, now the classified forest signs are gone, the "Boy Scouts of America" sign is gone from the corner and while it's not a clear cut, they really are taking out the timber. I get the "open up the canopy to let sunlight to the forest floor to get the smaller trees growing" but the mess that is left with all the tops on the ground is horrible. I get it that removing the tops would be way too costly and impossible, and that they break down in around 10 years or so but it still leaves the woods a mess for a long time. That's why I cannot convince one of my customers to have his 80 acres logged - the mess that is left behind. If there’s a mess left behind then someone is using the Wrong loggers. If it’s taken out of classifieds forest then they have to follow the rules for doing that. The amount of trees being cut and the area being cut is more than the classified forest program would allow.
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Post by huntsemall on Jan 25, 2023 11:10:19 GMT -5
First off I am biased due to the fact I worked for the Division of Forestry for 35 years. I'll second what Greg says about a "mess". I think with some though there is a perception that the woods will look good after a harvest. Immediately after a harvest it doesn't look good but if you follow what we called "best management practices" (BMPs), the woods will recover a lot quicker than most think. I always felt it was important to have a contract to document how you want things done during the harvest. If you aren't familiar with timber harvests and have a passion for your woods, its worth having a orester or someone familiar with forestry to administer/monitor the sale. Things like dresings up the skid trails, install water bars to decrease/eliminate erosion, seed the skid trails after the harvest will go a long way to helping the woods recover more quickly. Unfortunately most all of our mast producting trees need a lot of open sunlight to foster growth. The single tree selection type of harvests do not open up the woods much and allow the shade tolerant species to out compete the oaks. The forest inventory information shows a fairly significant decline in the small diameter oaks due to the lack of regeneration. Just my opinion but as we got further away for clear cuts, the habitat species like grouse thrived in became little to non-existent so given that plus the cylical issues with grouse population were the main cause of why they aren't around. And Greg is right on again regarding the regulations and classified forests. A pre harvest meeting is required between the logger and district forester, district forester will monitor the sale during the harvest, and a post harvest meeting to close out the sale. Also, in order for a logger to work on classified forests as well as our state forests, the logger must have taken a core professional logger training that includes cutter training, BMPs training and first aid. Probably too much info but here is a link to the Division's BMP guide www.in.gov/dnr/forestry/files/BMP.pdfSorry for the rambling......
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Post by greghopper on Jan 25, 2023 11:16:47 GMT -5
SELLING OR TRANSFERRING THE LAND Whenever the classified land is transferred to a new owner, the classified status remains intact. The same benefits and responsibilities are transferred to the new owner. If the new owner does not wish to participate in the program, they may withdraw the land from the program. You must notify the District Forester when the land changes hands. If the land is withdrawn from classification (voluntarily or involuntarily), the back taxes (up to 10 years), plus a 10% per year interest penalty, must be paid to the county. If not, it is considered a lien against the property and it is treated in the same manner that delinquent taxes on real property are treated. Properties that are entered in the Classified Forest and Wildlands program after June 30, 2006 are subject to an additional withdrawal penalty of $100 per withdrawal and $50 per acre withdrawn. Classified properties that are divided into 2 or more separate tracts must maintain at least 10.0 acres of eligible land in each tract to remain classified. In addition a revised application describing the new tract boundaries must be filed with the district forester. www.in.gov/dnr/forestry/files/fo-ClassifiedForestBrochure.pdf
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Post by duff on Jan 25, 2023 11:49:30 GMT -5
First off I am biased due to the fact I worked for the Division of Forestry for 35 years. I'll second what Greg says about a "mess". I think with some though there is a perception that the woods will look good after a harvest. Immediately after a harvest it doesn't look good but if you follow what we called "best management practices" (BMPs), the woods will recover a lot quicker than most think. I always felt it was important to have a contract to document how you want things done during the harvest. If you aren't familiar with timber harvests and have a passion for your woods, its worth having a orester or someone familiar with forestry to administer/monitor the sale. Things like dresings up the skid trails, install water bars to decrease/eliminate erosion, seed the skid trails after the harvest will go a long way to helping the woods recover more quickly. Unfortunately most all of our mast producting trees need a lot of open sunlight to foster growth. The single tree selection type of harvests do not open up the woods much and allow the shade tolerant species to out compete the oaks. The forest inventory information shows a fairly significant decline in the small diameter oaks due to the lack of regeneration. Just my opinion but as we got further away for clear cuts, the habitat species like grouse thrived in became little to non-existent so given that plus the cylical issues with grouse population were the main cause of why they aren't around. And Greg is right on again regarding the regulations and classified forests. A pre harvest meeting is required between the logger and district forester, district forester will monitor the sale during the harvest, and a post harvest meeting to close out the sale. Also, in order for a logger to work on classified forests as well as our state forests, the logger must have taken a core professional logger training that includes cutter training, BMPs training and first aid. Probably too much info but here is a link to the Division's BMP guide www.in.gov/dnr/forestry/files/BMP.pdfSorry for the rambling...... You are full of good info but try to only say Greg is right one time or preferably less. After that, most of us will question your judgment.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 25, 2023 11:58:14 GMT -5
Correct…. Most can’t grasp the truth factor 😊🏁
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Post by huntsemall on Jan 25, 2023 12:02:57 GMT -5
LOL.......
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 25, 2023 14:05:23 GMT -5
First off I am biased due to the fact I worked for the Division of Forestry for 35 years. I'll second what Greg says about a "mess". I think with some though there is a perception that the woods will look good after a harvest. Immediately after a harvest it doesn't look good but if you follow what we called "best management practices" (BMPs), the woods will recover a lot quicker than most think. I always felt it was important to have a contract to document how you want things done during the harvest. If you aren't familiar with timber harvests and have a passion for your woods, its worth having a orester or someone familiar with forestry to administer/monitor the sale. Things like dresings up the skid trails, install water bars to decrease/eliminate erosion, seed the skid trails after the harvest will go a long way to helping the woods recover more quickly. Unfortunately most all of our mast producting trees need a lot of open sunlight to foster growth. The single tree selection type of harvests do not open up the woods much and allow the shade tolerant species to out compete the oaks. The forest inventory information shows a fairly significant decline in the small diameter oaks due to the lack of regeneration. Just my opinion but as we got further away for clear cuts, the habitat species like grouse thrived in became little to non-existent so given that plus the cylical issues with grouse population were the main cause of why they aren't around. And Greg is right on again regarding the regulations and classified forests. A pre harvest meeting is required between the logger and district forester, district forester will monitor the sale during the harvest, and a post harvest meeting to close out the sale. Also, in order for a logger to work on classified forests as well as our state forests, the logger must have taken a core professional logger training that includes cutter training, BMPs training and first aid. Probably too much info but here is a link to the Division's BMP guide www.in.gov/dnr/forestry/files/BMP.pdfSorry for the rambling......
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Post by esshup on Jan 25, 2023 14:38:28 GMT -5
boonchaser, is there a list available somewhere of the properties in Indiana that are in the Classified Forest program?
The property in question is 131.74 acres.
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