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Post by saddlemaster on Feb 3, 2022 9:33:20 GMT -5
With the latest bans out west and the B&C rule changes, there have been a lot of discussions about the future of cell cams - additional bans, fair chase vs unfair, where do we draw the line, what new technology will be added to them, etc.
What are your thoughts about adding cell cams to the existing Indiana law that restricts the use of drones?
IC 14-22-6-16 Use of unmanned aerial vehicles to aid hunting
(c) During the period:
(1) beginning fourteen (14) days before the hunting season for a particular wild animal species; and
(2) ending upon the expiration of legal hunting hours on the last day of the hunting season;
a person may not knowingly use an unmanned aerial vehicle (as defined by IC 35-31.5-2-342.3) to search for, scout, locate, or detect a wild animal to which the hunting season applies as an aid to take the wild animal.
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 3, 2022 9:50:54 GMT -5
Don't use them but IMO they can be used to gain a unfair advantage. Have no problem with prohibiting use during season. I doubt that will happen though.
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Post by esshup on Feb 3, 2022 10:45:32 GMT -5
I don't have any. I didn't run any cams this past year and I liked it better when I knew what was walking around like the previous years.
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Feb 3, 2022 11:24:54 GMT -5
I have one and enjoyed looking at the pics when I checked them. I’m a half hour drive away from where it’s at, so using it to get on a buck that just walked by is out of the question. I think a lot of people are in that same situation. I don’t want them banned and hope it doesn’t happen anytime soon. Hunt how you want to hunt.
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Post by titanium700 on Feb 3, 2022 11:31:29 GMT -5
Yup.
I use one too.
I can say it hasn’t ever helped me kill a monster but it has helped me pinpoint times and areas deer will appear.
It helped me predict the area and time my daughter buck was coming out.
We were there and ready and she killed it.
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Feb 3, 2022 12:06:37 GMT -5
I prefer not to ban stuff, but if cell cameras go against a current regulation then either it needs to be not allowed or the regulation gets updated to allow this provision. Boils down to " what is fair chase" like stated.
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Post by parkerbow on Feb 3, 2022 16:48:20 GMT -5
Don't use them but IMO they can be used to gain a unfair advantage. Have no problem with prohibiting use during season. I doubt that will happen though. I don't use cell cameras either, in my areas I cannot get cell service anyway so it does not matter. I do think that the regular cams as well as the cell cams does give a hunter an unfair advantage. I mean most times a person has no idea what deer is out there until they get a cam pic of him and then and only then they start to make a plan to hunt that deer. When you have an electronic device "scouting" for you and letting you know what is around, when he is moving and where he is moving, to me that is an unfair advantage because this knowledge is being used to pick what area and times you are hunting that deer. Just my opinion. |
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Feb 3, 2022 19:19:27 GMT -5
Don't use them but IMO they can be used to gain a unfair advantage. Have no problem with prohibiting use during season. I doubt that will happen though. I don't use cell cameras either, in my areas I cannot get cell service anyway so it does not matter. I do think that the regular cams as well as the cell cams does give a hunter an unfair advantage. I mean most times a person has no idea what deer is out there until they get a cam pic of him and then and only then they start to make a plan to hunt that deer. When you have an electronic device "scouting" for you and letting you know what is around, when he is moving and where he is moving, to me that is an unfair advantage because this knowledge is being used to pick what area and times you are hunting that deer. Just my opinion. I think high powered rifles, crossbows, and compound bows give an unfair advantage. Where does it stop once it’s started? |
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Cell Cams
Feb 3, 2022 19:23:54 GMT -5
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Feb 3, 2022 19:23:54 GMT -5
I don't use cell cameras either, in my areas I cannot get cell service anyway so it does not matter. I do think that the regular cams as well as the cell cams does give a hunter an unfair advantage. I mean most times a person has no idea what deer is out there until they get a cam pic of him and then and only then they start to make a plan to hunt that deer. When you have an electronic device "scouting" for you and letting you know what is around, when he is moving and where he is moving, to me that is an unfair advantage because this knowledge is being used to pick what area and times you are hunting that deer. Just my opinion. I think high powered rifles, crossbows, and compound bows give an unfair advantage. Where does it stop once it’s started? Need to add traditional bows and hand throwing spares. When does it stop. |
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Cell Cams
Feb 3, 2022 20:01:03 GMT -5
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 3, 2022 20:01:03 GMT -5
I don't use cell cameras either, in my areas I cannot get cell service anyway so it does not matter. I do think that the regular cams as well as the cell cams does give a hunter an unfair advantage. I mean most times a person has no idea what deer is out there until they get a cam pic of him and then and only then they start to make a plan to hunt that deer. When you have an electronic device "scouting" for you and letting you know what is around, when he is moving and where he is moving, to me that is an unfair advantage because this knowledge is being used to pick what area and times you are hunting that deer. Just my opinion. I think high powered rifles, crossbows, and compound bows give an unfair advantage. Where does it stop once it’s started? The issue with cellular cams is you can receive pics giving exact location of a animal in real time. Cellular cameras are good for those that don't live near their properties and allow them to monitor from afar. Personally think most hunters use cell cams just as they do reg. trail cameras. Outfitters are particularly bad as cell cams can allow them to place hunters in areas knowing exactly where target animals are. ( I think at some point technology is turning hunting into just killing. ) |
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Post by saddlemaster on Feb 3, 2022 20:10:54 GMT -5
It stops when it's a remote, networked device that can give you the location of an animal while you are actually hunting it. You're getting real-time images sent to your phone while you're in the field hunting. That's why I'd like to see them added to the current drone law that restricts their use during hunting season. It wouldn't ban them completely. You could still use them in the summer to take inventory and post season to see what made it. It probably won't be long before these cams will be 360°, 100% real-time live feed cameras and you'll be able to view multiple cameras simultaneously on your phone. I just don't see much of a difference between the cell cams and drones. I think this video is a good example of what some people are concerned about. Quite a few decisions are being made based on real time data being collected while in the stand. www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3XdHK0UB5Y |
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Feb 3, 2022 20:31:31 GMT -5
So is it any different if a guy collects cards from four cams on his way to a stand and checks them once he climbs up only to find his target buck was near one of his other stands ten minutes before he walked by. He gets down, sneaks back to that stand, and the buck comes back by, whether on his own or to calling, and the guy shoots and kills him.
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Post by saddlemaster on Feb 3, 2022 20:57:56 GMT -5
So is it any different if a guy collects cards from four cams on his way to a stand and checks them once he climbs up only to find his target buck was near one of his other stands ten minutes before he walked by. He gets down, sneaks back to that stand, and the buck comes back by, whether on his own or to calling, and the guy shoots and kills him. Oh! So you'd like to ban all trail cameras during hunting season!?  |
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Feb 3, 2022 21:06:17 GMT -5
So is it any different if a guy collects cards from four cams on his way to a stand and checks them once he climbs up only to find his target buck was near one of his other stands ten minutes before he walked by. He gets down, sneaks back to that stand, and the buck comes back by, whether on his own or to calling, and the guy shoots and kills him. Oh! So you'd like to ban all trail cameras during hunting season!? Nope I already said I don’t want any of them banned. Hunt how you want to hunt. |
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Post by parkerbow on Feb 3, 2022 21:10:36 GMT -5
I am not really against or for them, people can use and do what they like or use any weapon they like as long as it is legal. I just heard a guy one time was sitting in his living room and got a real time picture of the buck he was after on his phone from his cell camera and he was able to grab his gun and go out the back door and was able to kill this deer. Ethical or Not ethical?
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Post by saddlemaster on Feb 3, 2022 21:56:42 GMT -5
Oh! So you'd like to ban all trail cameras during hunting season!?  Nope I already said I don’t want any of them banned. Hunt how you want to hunt. Yes you did. I apologize. Seriously, in the specific example you give I agree that it's close and I don't see much of a difference. But, at least in that scenario the hunter had to get out there and walk around, make noise, leave scent, that at least increased the odds in the deer's favor. In that same situation with cell cams, a guy gets a text at the truck that the buck is at cam 2 and goes straight to that area. Or he's sitting in stand 4 and gets a pic from stand 2. Having the 4 additional remote eyes while you are out there is different. |
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Cell Cams
Feb 4, 2022 7:20:28 GMT -5
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Post by MuzzleLoader on Feb 4, 2022 7:20:28 GMT -5
Don’t have cameras or cell cams. But the cell cams are getting ridiculous. It will soon be live feeds.
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Post by jjas on Feb 4, 2022 7:50:04 GMT -5
I've said before (and still think) that cell cams are fine for use before and after the season. During the season I don't think they should be allowed.
But realistically, how do you monitor their use? I would imagine that most people aren't going to pull their cameras during the season and unless a conservation officer is notified of their existence, they aren't going to spot check for the things.
In other words, the law can be changed, but a lot of people are likely going to keep on using them year round.
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Post by saddlemaster on Feb 4, 2022 9:08:25 GMT -5
I've said before (and still think) that cell cams are fine for use before and after the season. During the season I don't think they be allowed. But realistically, how do you monitor their use? I would imagine that most people aren't going to pull their cameras during the season and unless a conservation officer is notified of their existence, they aren't going to spot check for the things. In other words, the law can be changed, but a lot of people are likely going to keep on using them year round. That's easy, the same way they catch most people doing just about anything now days....Facebook and cell phone records. You don't have to actually catch them in the act during season with a camera strapped to a tree. You just need cell phone records of messages sent to them from a cell cam. The COs even caught the guys stealing catalytic converters from the boat ramps using Facebook. |
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Post by jjas on Feb 4, 2022 9:11:41 GMT -5
I've said before (and still think) that cell cams are fine for use before and after the season. During the season I don't think they be allowed. But realistically, how do you monitor their use? I would imagine that most people aren't going to pull their cameras during the season and unless a conservation officer is notified of their existence, they aren't going to spot check for the things. In other words, the law can be changed, but a lot of people are likely going to keep on using them year round. That's easy, the same way they catch most people doing just about anything now days....Facebook and cell phone records. You don't have to actually catch them in the act during season with a camera strapped to a tree. You just need cell phone records of messages sent to them from a cell cam. The COs even caught the guys stealing catalytic converters from the boat ramps using Facebook. I see your point, but in all actuality I have to wonder (with COs being stretched pretty thin now), how much time would they want to invest in getting a subpoena for cell phone records and trying to build a case over a cell camera. |
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