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Post by firstwd on Oct 3, 2017 21:22:15 GMT -5
Baiting is only good as the Bait used.... all bait is not created equal! Sounds like Whitetial Chicory Plus is the better bait. :-)
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Oct 4, 2017 5:44:36 GMT -5
On cattle farms, salt and mineral blocks work fantastic. Because they are always there, they are in a place that isn't out of place to deer, the cattle use them regularly, and the deer are comfortable. No, there are not any blocks near the cattle farm fence I hunt next to. Yes, the deer come across the pasture and down the treeline from they area of the barn. No, I don't feel a bit bad about shooting them coming from that direction. They like the spot behind my papaw's old barn too. He's been dead for almost 20 years and no salt has been put out since then, but the clover still grows thicker and taller in that area than anywhere else. Decades of cow-crap accumulation has really enriched that soil.
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Post by jb1069 on Oct 4, 2017 7:34:10 GMT -5
Absolutely Co's don't look at that stuff they just look for violations regardless of size I agree.... now the person that may have called the tip line maybeen motavited by antler size! This is my point exactly! You don't usually see these stories pop up unless the offender has killed some nice deer. Someone gets jealous and reports them. If they made a bait just for does it would probably be legal everywhere.
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Post by rabm03 on Oct 4, 2017 21:30:47 GMT -5
This thread went on for a long time without being closed. I'm suprised! A lot of accusations were thrown about without any evidence that backed up the claim. I'll just have to sit down and scratch my head on this one.
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Post by 76chevy on Oct 5, 2017 17:53:13 GMT -5
how does one ever remove 100% of the salt at a mineral lick??
I have heard that it leeches down FEET after baiting the same spot spring to summer for years.
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Post by 76chevy on Oct 5, 2017 17:57:06 GMT -5
I have the privilege to hunt in both the state of Indiana and also Ohio. I am a law abiding citizen, actually work in law enforcement. Because of this and for the reason of not wanting to lose my job, I have gone through the trouble of attempting to remove a bucket of Lucky Buck that I thought would be a good idea to put out for cameras. I dug a 10x10 square 12 inches deep and removed the soil. You could see where the mineral had leeched into the ground. So I got rid of the baited soil and created a watering hole. J/K... i dug another hole and replaced the soil. I honestly have never spread mineral again in Indiana. But I can tell you that you are smoking some good stuff if you think there are many honest people like me out there. I'm not trying to toot my own horn. I'm saying it was too much damn work. Either ban the sales of minerals in the state of Indiana or legalize the use. In Ohio, I am a master baiter. I've gotten pretty good at it. I've baited the same spot for the past 8 years. I get hundreds of pics each week of nice bucks (in velvet) and does throughout the year. Rarely do I get bucks on cam after August unless the spot is holding water and they are thirsty. I put out corn in a feeder and fill it with corn. The raccoons love me. In January, the deer really seem to love it. But wait, next to my bait spot in a clearing I have planted a 40X40 food plot (also legal in Indiana). I have shot 12deer in the last 10 years in that plot. Bucks and does both. They love that clover and chicory! It hasn't been the minerals, the corn, the apples that I put out for bait. It's been the Whitetail Chicory Plus that has made the difference. I get that everyone has an opinion on this. As do I, and mine comes from experience. Not "studies" or stubbornness. My own 2 eyes. By the way Mr. Ryan, I'm not lazy, stupid, a cheater, or a hack. I don't smoke cigarettes in my stand. I work my a$$ off to be able to enjoy my time outdoors. Too each their own. Have a good day! I do the same thing, try my best to adhere to the law.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2017 18:19:59 GMT -5
I've used salt and maple syrup homemade concoction and once the salt is gone the deer leave the area in a week or two at most. Same spot for a couple years. Never hunted over it, but legal in Ohio if I did.
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 5, 2017 19:34:37 GMT -5
how does one ever remove 100% of the salt at a mineral lick?? I have heard that it leeches down FEET after baiting the same spot spring to summer for years. One of the reasons to eliminate any doubt when we used to run a site, the thing got covered by plywood and fenced off end of each August. Discussed with CO locally and even asked Morrison here about it. I got sick of doing that though so we stopped doing em.
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Post by span870 on Oct 5, 2017 21:29:58 GMT -5
how does one ever remove 100% of the salt at a mineral lick?? I have heard that it leeches down FEET after baiting the same spot spring to summer for years. You don't. Knew I guy in Pennsylvania put one salt block on a stump, one. Years and years after they were tearing into that thing. All times of the year.
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Post by firstwd on Oct 6, 2017 3:12:27 GMT -5
how does one ever remove 100% of the salt at a mineral lick?? I have heard that it leeches down FEET after baiting the same spot spring to summer for years. You don't. Knew I guy in Pennsylvania put one salt block on a stump, one. Years and years after they were tearing into that thing. All times of the year. Kinda sounds like if you ever put salt or minerals out, to be completely legal by every letter of the current law, you can never hunt the area it was in....
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Post by swilk on Oct 6, 2017 5:21:46 GMT -5
And considering nobody knows what "area" means it's safest to just not hunt again. Ever.
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Post by 76chevy on Oct 6, 2017 5:34:10 GMT -5
how does one ever remove 100% of the salt at a mineral lick?? I have heard that it leeches down FEET after baiting the same spot spring to summer for years. You don't. Knew I guy in Pennsylvania put one salt block on a stump, one. Years and years after they were tearing into that thing. All times of the year. Yes, which makes me leary to EVER put it out. Every sporting goods store in Indiana (including in Parke Putnam county area) has deer bait in many forms on the shelves now and year round. Maybe this is part of the problem.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 6, 2017 6:05:10 GMT -5
You don't. Knew I guy in Pennsylvania put one salt block on a stump, one. Years and years after they were tearing into that thing. All times of the year. Kinda sounds like if you ever put salt or minerals out, to be completely legal by every letter of the current law, you can never hunt the area it was in.... You can if you don"t let it affect the ground..... easiest way is don't screw with like the majority hunters do. Just HUNT!
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Post by bill9068 on Oct 6, 2017 7:26:55 GMT -5
There is a spot on one of my property's I hunt where the deer have dug it out, to my knowledge for the last 35 years there has been nothing put there. Looks just like a salt lick to me.
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Post by span870 on Oct 6, 2017 8:56:04 GMT -5
There is a spot on one of my property's I hunt where the deer have dug it out, to my knowledge for the last 35 years there has been nothing put there. Looks just like a salt lick to me. Natural salt lick. They do occur. I know where there is one in hnf. They keep that thing tore up year round. I'm not one that cares whatever anyone does. People are kidding themselves though if they think they are removing the minerals from the soil. I'm sure there are quite a few guys like Ty that go above and beyond to try to follow the letter of the law but even with fencing it off that mineral more than likely leached outside the fence. You send a sample of that dirt in I guarantee you there is quite a bit more than a trace amount. On the same hand I really doubt any co is going to fault him with the work he put in. I'd assume the ones that get charged are the ones that have a block out. Be interesting to know if anyone was ever ticketed from what leached into the ground with no visible blocks or material.
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 6, 2017 9:08:02 GMT -5
There is a spot on one of my property's I hunt where the deer have dug it out, to my knowledge for the last 35 years there has been nothing put there. Looks just like a salt lick to me. Natural salt lick. They do occur. I know where there is one in hnf. They keep that thing tore up year round. I'm not one that cares whatever anyone does. People are kidding themselves though if they think they are removing the minerals from the soil. I'm sure there are quite a few guys like Ty that go above and beyond to try to follow the letter of the law but even with fencing it off that mineral more than likely leached outside the fence. You send a sample of that dirt in I guarantee you there is quite a bit more than a trace amount. On the same hand I really doubt any co is going to fault him with the work he put in. I'd assume the ones that get charged are the ones that have a block out. Be interesting to know if anyone was ever ticketed from what leached into the ground with no visible blocks or material. Correct. When we used to do that, both Morrison and local ICO (who is retired now though) said we were going above and beyond the normal effort to prove we were making every effort to follow the intent of the law. I'll start a thread in the spring...but I'm going to attempt a buried 25 or 50 gallon plastic shell (typically used for water holes) but bury it at least half way and put a dirt/mineral mix in it and see how it goes. I do like to provide optimum nutrition and mineral supplementation for lactating does and winter recovery for all but not at the risk of being able to hunt or have to spend a day digging up and fencing off a site.
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