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Post by jackryan on Oct 3, 2017 11:18:46 GMT -5
It is even less effective then. I've had cameras set up on a corn pile in North Carolina. Bucks will come to it at night, but during the rut they never come at all. They have something else on their minds, which is why bucks usually lose a significant amount of weight during the rut. They come to it at night not because of some "scientific survey". They come to it at night because some half way hack calling himself a hunter sits around it smoking cigarettes all day and shoots at them every time they get in 200 yards of it during the day. It makes a difference. It doesn't make them STUPID. It just tells them someone stupid is hanging around here a lot during the day. May be a spot light would help.
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Post by swilk on Oct 3, 2017 11:22:29 GMT -5
I guess no one read my last reply to this post, because everyone keeps beating this issue to death. The bottom line is that scientific studies have shown baiting for deer does NOT improve hunter success. So, why is this thing even an issue? Bucks will come to the bait, but almost always at night. I guess bait might work in the daytime for a green young of the year doe, but not a nice buck. Well for starters doing so is poaching. Also, I've hunted deer long enough to realize anyone that makes a definitive 100% claim to anything is lying...unless it is to say "nothing is ever 100%". Lying is a lil harsh ..... full of it is better.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Oct 3, 2017 11:30:20 GMT -5
It is even less effective then. I've had cameras set up on a corn pile in North Carolina. Bucks will come to it at night, but during the rut they never come at all. They have something else on their minds, which is why bucks usually lose a significant amount of weight during the rut. Does still eat though. If you're holding a bunch of does in your area, and they're frequenting your deer candy pile, it seems to me that you would draw in bucks. They'd be drawn to the does, not necessarily the bait.
I'm not bashing baiting where legal, I really don't have a firm position on it, it just seems unbelievable to me that a buck would not go near a bait pile during the rut when it's covered up by does.
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Post by span870 on Oct 3, 2017 13:33:47 GMT -5
Don't know about never. Watch Tom McMillan in Kansas. Every stand has corn out and they kill some nice deer.
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Post by onebentarrow on Oct 3, 2017 14:55:12 GMT -5
I guess no one read my last reply to this post, because everyone keeps beating this issue to death. The bottom line is that scientific studies have shown baiting for deer does NOT improve hunter success. So, why is this thing even an issue? Bucks will come to the bait, but almost always at night. I guess bait might work in the daytime for a green young of the year doe, but not a nice buck. Yep. I agree. Bucks will not come to bait in daylight and these pictures prove it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 15:01:21 GMT -5
One bait station does not disprove scientific studies.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Oct 3, 2017 15:45:34 GMT -5
What is your position on this topic @swampmusic ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 15:53:32 GMT -5
My position is that hunting over bait is bad for a wide variety of reasons. I think that people who get caught violating laws that prohibit baiting get what they deserve. I have never hunted over bait, but I have put cameras over bait prior to the start of the season, to assess what kind of bucks were around. The only reason I even posted at all is because everyone was getting so worked up about something that does not affect hunt success. It's like the ad in the back of Field and Stream for the lure that says, "Banned in 3 states!!" Because if something is prohibited, people naturally think it must work wonders. This is not true of baiting. Just check out the links I posted to the studies, in my previous post. Baiting is not only a waste of time, it is bad for deer in general. Once I realized this, I stopped placing my camera over bait. Baiting is bad. Hunting over bait is worse. Swampmusic out.
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Post by jackryan on Oct 3, 2017 15:55:57 GMT -5
Here, you dropped something.
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Post by freedomhunter on Oct 3, 2017 15:58:13 GMT -5
I can post pics of half a dozen mature bucks from the last month on cam without bait. Really just use common sense and don't put any bait out, ever. Just really dumb in areas like Putnam or Parke someone will drop a dime on you and there are co everywhere.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Oct 3, 2017 16:04:56 GMT -5
My position is that hunting over bait is bad for a wide variety of reasons. I think that people who get caught violating laws that prohibit baiting get what they deserve. I have never hunted over bait, but I have put cameras over bait prior to the start of the season, to assess what kind of bucks were around. The only reason I even posted at all is because everyone was getting so worked up about something that does not affect hunt success. It's like the ad in the back of Field and Stream for the lure that says, "Banned in 3 states!!" Because if something is prohibited, people naturally think it must work wonders. This is not true of baiting. Just check out the links I posted to the studies, in my previous post. Baiting is not only a waste of time, it is bad for deer in general. Once I realized this, I stopped placing my camera over bait. Baiting is bad. Hunting over bait is worse. Swampmusic out. That's a reasonable position, thanks for the clarification. I've baited hogs, and while I could legally shoot them at night, they were smart enough to come in from downwind. I never did kill one that way.
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Post by GS1 on Oct 3, 2017 16:43:59 GMT -5
Most of us will see a time in Indiana when baiting is legal.
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Post by span870 on Oct 3, 2017 16:59:14 GMT -5
Here, you dropped something. Ehhh those are all does.
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Post by johnc911 on Oct 3, 2017 17:42:46 GMT -5
Would she have ever been investigated if her other deer were little basket racks or does? Absolutely Co's don't look at that stuff they just look for violations regardless of size
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Post by greghopper on Oct 3, 2017 18:11:40 GMT -5
Would she have ever been investigated if her other deer were little basket racks or does? Absolutely Co's don't look at that stuff they just look for violations regardless of size I agree.... now the person that may have called the tip line maybeen motavited by antler size!
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Post by jackryan on Oct 3, 2017 20:06:57 GMT -5
Here, you dropped something. Ehhh those are all does. I must have been in a tree around there some where then.
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Post by firstwd on Oct 3, 2017 20:44:24 GMT -5
On cattle farms, salt and mineral blocks work fantastic. Because they are always there, they are in a place that isn't out of place to deer, the cattle use them regularly, and the deer are comfortable.
No, there are not any blocks near the cattle farm fence I hunt next to. Yes, the deer come across the pasture and down the treeline from they area of the barn. No, I don't feel a bit bad about shooting them coming from that direction.
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Post by salt on Oct 3, 2017 20:54:30 GMT -5
I have the privilege to hunt in both the state of Indiana and also Ohio. I am a law abiding citizen, actually work in law enforcement. Because of this and for the reason of not wanting to lose my job, I have gone through the trouble of attempting to remove a bucket of Lucky Buck that I thought would be a good idea to put out for cameras. I dug a 10x10 square 12 inches deep and removed the soil. You could see where the mineral had leeched into the ground. So I got rid of the baited soil and created a watering hole. J/K... i dug another hole and replaced the soil. I honestly have never spread mineral again in Indiana. But I can tell you that you are smoking some good stuff if you think there are many honest people like me out there. I'm not trying to toot my own horn. I'm saying it was too much damn work. Either ban the sales of minerals in the state of Indiana or legalize the use.
In Ohio, I am a master baiter. I've gotten pretty good at it. I've baited the same spot for the past 8 years. I get hundreds of pics each week of nice bucks (in velvet) and does throughout the year. Rarely do I get bucks on cam after August unless the spot is holding water and they are thirsty. I put out corn in a feeder and fill it with corn. The raccoons love me. In January, the deer really seem to love it.
But wait, next to my bait spot in a clearing I have planted a 40X40 food plot (also legal in Indiana). I have shot 12deer in the last 10 years in that plot. Bucks and does both. They love that clover and chicory!
It hasn't been the minerals, the corn, the apples that I put out for bait. It's been the Whitetail Chicory Plus that has made the difference.
I get that everyone has an opinion on this. As do I, and mine comes from experience. Not "studies" or stubbornness. My own 2 eyes.
By the way Mr. Ryan, I'm not lazy, stupid, a cheater, or a hack. I don't smoke cigarettes in my stand. I work my a$$ off to be able to enjoy my time outdoors. Too each their own. Have a good day!
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Post by greghopper on Oct 3, 2017 21:16:57 GMT -5
Baiting is only good as the Bait used.... all bait is not created equal!
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