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Post by esshup on Nov 23, 2016 23:38:28 GMT -5
400 yards isn't really long range, guys out west routinely make 400 yard shots. Very true. BUT, when people are used to shooting 50-200 max yards with their slug guns or muzzleloaders, doubling the distance is a poke for them. I range dang near everything I shoot past 150-200 yds or if I think it's "long". I'm terrible at distance, so I feel it's better to be safe than sorry (or wound an animal). Distance isn't the hard thing, it's figuring out the wind!
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Post by deadeer on Nov 24, 2016 1:08:02 GMT -5
And this is where Deer hunting is replaced with Deer Shooting I hate seeing this happening . Being able to just get a deer is being replaced with let's see how far away I can shoot one , Another reason I didn't HPRs. It's now Deer Shooting not Deer Hunting ! And that's the great thing about Indiana. You can make it as hard or easy as you want. (Not that a 400 yard shot is easy). And as a fellow deer hunter if the practice is legal then it shouldn't be looked down upon. There's so many people against hunting. We should rememberw we are on the same team. You should get a pat on the back for such a simple, clear, common sense answer! So here is your "atta boy!".
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Post by davers on Nov 24, 2016 5:38:41 GMT -5
I was going to ask the same along with rifle type. I'm using what I call my Ak15 or AR47 if you like. Currently using remington soft points but only have 6 left so may be back to the wolf mc sp, as I can't find the remington again. I also have an AR chambered in 7.62x39. Shooting Hornady Z-Max 123 gr brass case ammo, I get 1" groups at 100 yards. However, it doesn't like their steel case SST rounds as those seem to only get 4" groups at 100 yards. It also shoots Herter's soft point ammo in 1" groups at 100 yards, but these are bi-metal bullets (copper and steel jacket with lead tip) which don't expand too well in ballistic gelatin (according to several youtube videos I've watched). So make sure you check the Wolf ammo to see if the bullet itself will stick to a magnet - if it does, it is probably bi-metal, which probably isn't the best choice for hunting. Yeah, a lot of the foreign ammo has bullets that are bi-metal and Wolf brand comes to mind. What I do is buy FMJ 123 grain loads, remove the bullet and replace it with a Hornady or Speer 123 .310" grain soft point bullet. Killed several coyotes with these loads.
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Post by throbak on Nov 24, 2016 18:13:18 GMT -5
Just because it's legal doesn't make 200 yard plus shots ethical We have HPR because the polititions stepped over the authority of the DNR/ NRC Rule Making process Legal agin but isn't it right ?? Prostitution is Legal in Nevada !! High Fence is legal , Pay lakes are legal There are a lot of things that are. Legal That just are not Right Using a deer for target practice is one of them and doing it and being successful only encourages others not as skilled as Medic to try their hand at it so it's not that simple IMO
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Post by nfalls116 on Nov 24, 2016 19:06:47 GMT -5
Just because it's legal doesn't make 200 yard plus shots ethical We have HPR because the polititions stepped over the authority of the DNR/ NRC Rule Making process Legal agin but isn't it right ?? Prostitution is Legal in Nevada !! High Fence is legal , Pay lakes are legal There are a lot of things that are. Legal That just are not Right Using a deer for target practice is one of them and doing it and being successful only encourages others not as skilled as Medic to try their hand at it so it's not that simple IMO why are your ethics the ethics that the world should base their laws and regulations off of?
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Post by throbak on Nov 24, 2016 19:49:39 GMT -5
There not some things you have to accept as in this case and I do ! But I don't have to like it ! And I don't Any more. I don't even think ethics are considered Or maybe I don't know the definition!! , and they should be universal and not personal as you think NFalls
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Post by nfalls116 on Nov 24, 2016 20:03:37 GMT -5
There not some things you have to accept as in this case and I do ! But I don't have to like it ! And I don't Any more. I don't even think ethics are considered Or maybe I don't know the definition!! , and they should be universal and not personal as you think NFalls you think it's unethical to continue certain traditions because YOU and a group don't like it.
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Post by throbak on Nov 24, 2016 21:24:48 GMT -5
What tradition you referring to ??
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Post by hornzilla on Nov 24, 2016 21:29:29 GMT -5
With some people there is only 2 ways of doing things. There way and the wrong way.
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Post by subzero350 on Nov 24, 2016 21:55:07 GMT -5
I also have an AR chambered in 7.62x39. Shooting Hornady Z-Max 123 gr brass case ammo, I get 1" groups at 100 yards. However, it doesn't like their steel case SST rounds as those seem to only get 4" groups at 100 yards. It also shoots Herter's soft point ammo in 1" groups at 100 yards, but these are bi-metal bullets (copper and steel jacket with lead tip) which don't expand too well in ballistic gelatin (according to several youtube videos I've watched). So make sure you check the Wolf ammo to see if the bullet itself will stick to a magnet - if it does, it is probably bi-metal, which probably isn't the best choice for hunting. Yeah, a lot of the foreign ammo has bullets that are bi-metal and Wolf brand comes to mind. What I do is buy FMJ 123 grain loads, remove the bullet and replace it with a Hornady or Speer 123 .310" grain soft point bullet. Killed several coyotes with these loads. That's not a bad idea - thanks for the suggestion. My AR 7.62x39 really likes Fiocchi FMJ brass case ammo as well - I've been using it to punch paper targets at the range since POI is the same with that ammo as it is shooting the Z-max.
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Post by subzero350 on Nov 24, 2016 22:15:47 GMT -5
There not some things you have to accept as in this case and I do ! But I don't have to like it ! And I don't Any more. I don't even think ethics are considered Or maybe I don't know the definition!! , and they should be universal and not personal as you think NFalls you think it's unethical to continue certain traditions because YOU and a group don't like it. Kinda reminds me of when crossbows were first legalized for everyone. But in that case, one of the main opposing viewpoints was that using a crossbow didn't require as much skill like using a regular compound bow does. And what's ironic about that is the new HPR law allows people the opportunity to use their long range shooting skills to hunt deer with and some who apparently lack those skills don't like it... !!! I prefer to look at this situation from a more positive perspective. Allowing people the opportunity to use HPRs could very well encourage them to spend more time at the range, hone their "long range" shooting skills, and become not only better hunters - but safer shooters as well. On the flip side, I think a lot of fudds assume a shotgun slug stops dead in its tracks at 200 yards or so, therefore they can afford to be more careless with the use of that weapon (and where they use it) assuming a slug fired from it isn't going to travel that far. Too bad the Pennsylvania Rifle Study shoots holes in that theory (pun intended).
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Post by nfalls116 on Nov 24, 2016 22:23:09 GMT -5
I think it's unethical to use less humane/accurate methods of dispatch but you don't see me going around telling people that shooting a trad bow should be left at the range where they can shoot foam animals. Or that flintlock muzzleloaders should only be used if you are participating in a mountain man rendezvous or that Spears should be left for the Aborigines. I don't care how anyone kills their deer so long as it does no harm to people and they practice whatever method they use enough to make their shots true. Chase em with dogs, drive them, shoot em over bait or inside a fence if it's legal where you are I'm ok with it. I think the ethical part of this sport revolves around the culture you grow up in.
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Post by jackryan on Nov 24, 2016 22:59:54 GMT -5
With some people there is only 2 ways of doing things. There way and the wrong way. "Their" Wheww, had me there for a minute. Glad I'm not one of them. I'm a big believer in one way. The right way. I don't count all those other wrong ways I don't use.
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Post by GS1 on Nov 27, 2016 3:57:24 GMT -5
Son shot a buck @ 45 yards w/ .44mag. Nephew shot a buck @ 100 yards w/ 30-06. Brother has now killed a buck and doe with my Savage ML-II. 25 & 60 yards.
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