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Post by swilk on Oct 28, 2016 19:39:09 GMT -5
I wonder what terminal velocity of a 30gr .22 bullet is as it falls back to earth? Not fast enough or ebough mass to kill anyone. Probably wouldn't even break the skin.
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Post by thebellcompany on Oct 28, 2016 20:15:28 GMT -5
Swilk. Your statement caught my interest. I just looked up 22lr trajectory and interestingly enough. Sighted in at 50 yards a 40gr bullet traveling at 1650 FPS drops 10" at 100 yards. It would seem if a person were to shoot straight at a target the projectile could perhaps reach the ground in short order. God bless.
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Post by swilk on Oct 28, 2016 20:17:53 GMT -5
I was talking more of the rimfire fired up in the air at a squirrel or something else....as climbs it sheds velocity until it begins to fall back to earth.
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Post by swilk on Oct 28, 2016 20:20:28 GMT -5
Gravity is interesting....fire a bullet dead level and drop a bullet at the exact same time and they should both reach the ground at roughly the exact same time.
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Post by thebellcompany on Oct 28, 2016 20:40:59 GMT -5
I just researched a bit more regarding the topic of a bullet falling from the sky. I read a study that concluded a .30 caliber bullet which fires above 2500fps will fall to the earth, tumbling at an average speed of 300 FPS, so not lethal but there have been reported cases of people needing to be hospitalized. I imagine a .22 bullet would have a much smaller impact falling from the sky.
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Post by swilk on Oct 28, 2016 20:55:34 GMT -5
More science involved than I care to work out....drag, humidity, barometric pressure... lots of variables to find the exact velocity of a given object at a given time but 200mph +/- seems right. Might smart a bit and could hurt ya I'm sure but I've never been concerned about being killed by a truly falling bullet.
Hit by an anvil falling at 200mph would be different....
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Post by SFC (R) B on Oct 28, 2016 21:51:16 GMT -5
I have a question not about HPR, but Colorado itself. Since you live there, I have been wanting to ask this question to one who lives there. Since Colorado legalize pot can you see any effects it had on the state? Not wanting to hijack this thread if you want you can PM and give me your thoughts on the legalization of pot has had on the state. PM sent
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Post by trapperdave on Oct 28, 2016 22:29:10 GMT -5
Have any of you ever been to NE Indiana where it is FLAT??? Someone is going to get hurt. On a side note, my state rep told me this would be getting fixed in the near future. There are parts of the state that it is safe to use HPR and other parts that it is not. Deer are 3 ft tall. Even on the ground you're shooting downward. HPR bullet hits ground, it frags. Slug hits ground, it bounces like a cannon ball. Studies have proven rifles are safer
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Post by salt on Oct 29, 2016 12:30:40 GMT -5
Well that escalated quickly. Now I'm curious, what issue do you have with the Amish? I apologize for my reaction yesterday. I was having a bad day dealing with opiate addicts who didn't want to succeed as bad as I wanted them to. Please accept my apology.
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Post by steiny on Oct 29, 2016 20:07:54 GMT -5
40+ Years of Hoosier deer hunting, Do not like this change but have conceded that the DNR doesn't much give a rip, they are just constantly looking for ways to sell licenses.
For the last +/- 20 years it's been all about "making deer hunting easier", pistols in HPR cartridges, PCR rifles and wildcat versions of these, cross bows, all the doe tags you want, extremely lengthy seasons, late doe seasons, urban seasons, youth seasons, etc. Meanwhile a couple of the premier whitetail states nearby Iowa and Illinois are still getting their populations controlled adequately with regular archery hunting and pretty short muzzy and shotgun seasons. It's just not as challenging of a sport in Indiana as it used to be.
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Post by thebellcompany on Oct 29, 2016 20:24:34 GMT -5
I have a question for you Steiny. It sounds like you're a hunting "purist" that enjoys hunting as a tradition, my question is 2-pat: why would you like Indiana to not use HPR's, and you mentioned shorter seasons and fewer tags. Do you feel we take too many deer in Indiana? How does the herd look near you? Just curious your thoughts.
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Post by nfalls116 on Oct 29, 2016 21:56:08 GMT -5
Do any of you have Amish that hunt around you? yes I do
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Post by trapperdave on Oct 30, 2016 5:37:46 GMT -5
If you want more challenge, steiny...pick up a long bow or go primitive. YOUR hunt can be as challenging or " easy" as you want. Just because HPR is legal doesn't mean you have to use it. Don't worry about how your neighbor kills his one buck. Hunt your own hunt. My .02
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Post by benj on Oct 30, 2016 13:38:59 GMT -5
I don't mind the HPR rule. I'll be able to use a family owned(Father-in-law) 30-30 from 1953 that has a history of putting down deer, and was used by my son's great great grandmother. I really wish I was able to use my .270, but I'll take what I can get!
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Post by SFC (R) B on Oct 30, 2016 17:38:59 GMT -5
I kinda knew this would be a hot button issue. I have to say that it has always struck me as odd that you could hunt varmints with HPRs in the exact same locations you hunt deer. Also, every place I have hunted (other than IN) has allowed HPRs, including some terrain out west here that is MUCH flatter and more open than most of IN. I think that part of the discussion (on top of the tradition, safety and will of the public) should be the lethality/efficiency of the weapon. As hunters we should want to ensure that out harvest is done in as quick and painless a manner as possible. Given the amount of energy and precision possible with HPRs, I think this is a point that needs to be considered. I have made a 390m shot with my 30-06 on a antelope the size of a medium doe. the kill was instant. I know that shots of this distance are not something that would generally present themselves in IN but I mention this to point out the precision and energy delivery. I will also admit that I really like the idea of not having to have several different weapons to hunt multiple locations. We currently have a 44m handi that was my son's Christmas present a few years ago. He has taken several deer with it (including his first) and it is serviceable. However, I think the 06 is the best all around caliber available and love the idea of standardizing what the whole family shoots. I would say that the one thing I just don't get is the seemingly random choice of calibers.....a .300 RUM is legal but not a 270 or 7-08? ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2016 17:52:20 GMT -5
I live in a four county (Hamilton) and this year I can take four bucks. You think Indiana is bad, this is Ohio.
Four Deer County I hunter may kill no more than four in a four deer county during the 2016-2017 deer season. Up to three either sex permit and one antlerless permit or up to four either sex permit.
That' right, I can take four bucks or four does or any combination this year.
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Post by bill9068 on Oct 30, 2016 20:54:55 GMT -5
Wow, thats a lot of bucks but I would assume if they have the limit they have the deer? Is that any weapon or restricted to bow?
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Post by subzero350 on Oct 30, 2016 22:33:36 GMT -5
Well, it has been a long time since I have been on here. You might remember me as SSG B.....since then I became SFC B and am now (R)-retired. I am still living here in Colorado and follow Indiana issues as I come back from time to time during hunting season. I was alerted to the HPR move on another website I frequent and was wondering what you all with "boots on the ground" think? I hunt with an 06 out here so I am lucky enough to be able to bring it back when the opportunity arises. I hope all of you are well and if you have any Colorado related questions feel free to PM me or post them for all. I think the legalization of HPRs in this state has been met with a lot of resistance from two different groups. 1) The "traditionalists" (which a lot of different hunters from various categories might fit into) and 2) people who haven't read or don't understand the Pennsylvania Rifle Study. There is also a group of people who seem to think that putting an HPR into the hands of any given hunter will magically cause that hunter to become unsafe, only because of that particular equipment. To be honest, there was a lot of resistance to Indiana legalizing crossbows for everyone during archery season a few years back too. Although, I think most of that resistance seems to have come from the traditionalist bowhunters for various reasons (perhaps first and foremost amongst those: selfishness). The funny thing about this is most of these same people use compound bows which are a 20th century invention. Crossbows were invented in the 6th century BC. The bottom line is the sky didn't fall because crossbows were legalized and I don't think the sky is going to fall when HPRs hit the fields here in the next couple of weeks. Now I'm sure if there are any HPR related incidents, the naysayers are going to seek those out and try to hold those up as examples as to why HPRs shouldn't be allowed for deer hunting. But, for many years now, there have been a number of wildcat centerfire rifle cartridges that have been legal to hunt deer with here in Indiana. And many of these wildcats have power similar to or that exceed the power of some of what was just legalized for this year. So the presence of HPRs in the field isn't really going to be anything new. The number of people who are using HPRs in the field will undoubtedly increase this season, but as long as those people practice good firearm and shooting safety (which they should be doing anyway), I don't think the sky is going to fall. We will just have to wait and see, I guess.
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Post by steiny on Oct 31, 2016 11:04:10 GMT -5
** why would you like Indiana to not use HPR's? I'd say south of I-70 in the hilly and more timbered areas it would be OK. In the northern part of state where I riside it is flat and wide open. I see potential for accidents, and also see a lot of long range deer sniping that was impossible in the past. Decent bucks in many areas up here are few and far between, this change gives hunters another edge. You've effectively doubled a good rifleman's range.
** and you mentioned shorter seasons and fewer tags. Do you feel we take too many deer in Indiana? Definitely too many does. We have never horrible agriculture damage, browse lines, etc, from deer starving, even at peak populations in the 80's. It's a lot more fun when you can expect to see a bunch of deer every sit -vs- maybe see something.
** How does the herd look near you? Just curious your thoughts. Where there is habitat, there are ample deer. Problem is, since the Ethanol boom, we have lost habitat at record rates and what's left won't support the same numbers of deer. Meanwhile IN continues to give out doe tags like candy.
** If you want more challenge, steiny...pick up a long bow or go primitive. YOUR hunt can be as challenging or " easy" as you want. Just because HPR is legal doesn't mean you have to use it. Don't worry about how your neighbor kills his one buck. Hunt your own hunt. My .02 I do hunt very selectively and pass on tons of deer, have killed many deer with a recurve bow. If it's not suitable for taxidermy, I won't shoot at a buck. The jury's still out on the HPR thing, will wait and see how this season goes, but I expect a few homes in my area to get bullet holes.
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 31, 2016 11:14:18 GMT -5
Where there is habitat, there are ample deer. Not to get too terribly sidetracked...but I hear this a lot. Of course where this is good habitat there are ample deer....if we had so many deer in the state that poor habitats had deer even that would be intensely over populated. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it but it is a common theme I hear a lot...why do some expect to see deer or their defined "ample" amount on less than prime habitat? You should never expect it. Nor should you be shocked when those that provide solid secure habitat see deer. Just something I struggle with understanding at times.
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