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Post by tynimiller on Oct 28, 2016 8:30:52 GMT -5
It was a mess.....idiot lawmakers attempted to name just 5 and really it turned into like 20 more...because yup politicians shouldn't dabble in this sort of thing. That said though, me being one to hit the field 99% of the time with a bow, am okay with it. An idiot with a shotgun or ML or PCR isn't going to change, all you did was potentially add a little distance to their idiocy in the right setting. In the end it might allow some to enjoy hunting more...or especially the .243 may get some younger folks involved that wouldn't have due to a fear of recoil. My only concerns are the following: -I strongly support the idea of not allowing semi-autos in the hunting woods. Really wished they'd kept it to bolts, singles, levers or pumps. It encourages better shot placement and slows someone down just a tick before launching a follow up shot. -I am also concerned with the growing concept of head shot or neck shots...and HPRs feed this due to their ballistic capabilities. I've witnessed and had on camera a doe with a blown off jaw, had some follows share the same...had a yearling buck that had a neck shot injury which appeared to have gotten infected and killed him. This is not a direct concern to HPRs...more like an overall concern which now includes HPRs. In the end if legal and someone behaves appropriately I'm 100% in support of their hunting...and shoot...my old Marlin 35Rem (trimmed cartridges to be legal) might just touch a doe this year even so can't complain if someone wants to grab their 30-30 or 30-06...amongst others. Why does anyone have to be a "idiot"...? Do you know or have contact with everyone your calling a "idiot"...? greg, what I'm saying is those bringing up the danger or how much worse people will be with HPRs are off base. A hunter that is a dumb decision maker with a shotgun, is with a PCR, is with a HPR, is with a crossbow, is with a compound...is with a spear.
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 28, 2016 8:31:59 GMT -5
I will admit, the "idiot lawmakers" line was strong, but I'm still bitter on their inability to just leave it alone. Crossed the line there.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 28, 2016 8:33:19 GMT -5
Bad choice of words.... no need for name calling!
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 28, 2016 8:36:34 GMT -5
Bad choice of words.... no need for name calling! If you cannot wrap your head around the term I'm using is a broad sense of the word I'm sorry. I just get sick of everyone labeling HPRs as this magical weapon that when someone touches they magically make terrible shot decisions, don't care what is behind their target and will shoot at anything that moves (all yes are decisions that would properly be labeled in my opinion as an "idiot"). Someone who is dumb with their decisions will be dumb with their decisions no matter what. To make you happy and be more respectful I'll go back and edit my other posts...I get why and agree, not the best terminology to utilize. Perhaps bad morning got the best of me. Either way, apologize.
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Post by salt on Oct 28, 2016 9:14:37 GMT -5
According to the 2016 Indiana Criminal Code Book:
35-42-2-2 Criminal Recklessness- (a) A person who recklessly, knowingly, or intentionally performs an act that creates a substantial risk of bodily injury to another person commits criminal recklessness. Except as provided in subsection (b), criminal recklessness is a Class B misdemeanor.
(B) the offense of criminal recklessness as defined in subsection (a) is:
(2) A Level 5 Felony if:
(A) it is committed by shooting a firearm into an inhabited dwelling or other building or place where people are likely to gather.
A Level 5 Felony is punishable 1-6 years incarceration and $10,000 fine.
My house is 150 yards from a woods that is hunted during gun season. It is less than 100 yards from railroad tracks that regularly gets hunting traffic. I am nervous about the upcoming gun season.
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Post by polishmp31 on Oct 28, 2016 9:28:51 GMT -5
According to the 2016 Indiana Criminal Code Book: 35-42-2-2 Criminal Recklessness- (a) A person who recklessly, knowingly, or intentionally performs an act that creates a substantial risk of bodily injury to another person commits criminal recklessness. Except as provided in subsection (b), criminal recklessness is a Class B misdemeanor. (B) the offense of criminal recklessness as defined in subsection (a) is: (2) A Level 5 Felony if: (A) it is committed by shooting a firearm into an inhabited dwelling or other building or place where people are likely to gather. A Level 5 Felony is punishable 1-6 years incarceration and $10,000 fine. My house is 150 yards from a woods that is hunted during gun season. It is less than 100 yards from railroad tracks that regularly gets hunting traffic. I am nervous about the upcoming gun season Were you afraid last year because a wildcat, shotgun and a mzl can all shoot past 150 yards?
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Post by medic22 on Oct 28, 2016 9:29:00 GMT -5
According to the 2016 Indiana Criminal Code Book: 35-42-2-2 Criminal Recklessness- (a) A person who recklessly, knowingly, or intentionally performs an act that creates a substantial risk of bodily injury to another person commits criminal recklessness. Except as provided in subsection (b), criminal recklessness is a Class B misdemeanor. (B) the offense of criminal recklessness as defined in subsection (a) is: (2) A Level 5 Felony if: (A) it is committed by shooting a firearm into an inhabited dwelling or other building or place where people are likely to gather. A Level 5 Felony is punishable 1-6 years incarceration and $10,000 fine. My house is 150 yards from a woods that is hunted during gun season. It is less than 100 yards from railroad tracks that regularly gets hunting traffic. I am nervous about the upcoming gun season. Why are you nervous? Youre well within range of every other legal caliber or gauge.
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Post by salt on Oct 28, 2016 9:44:07 GMT -5
I guess the one good thing is I can now crank open my bedroom window, have a solid shooting rest, and shoot any deer that is in eyesight.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 28, 2016 9:47:18 GMT -5
I guess the one good thing is I can now crank open my bedroom window, have a solid shooting rest, and shoot any deer that is in eyesight. You could of done that the last few years with what was legal to shoot/use!
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Post by swilk on Oct 28, 2016 9:49:52 GMT -5
better put 144" of orange on each side of the house.
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Post by realhunter on Oct 28, 2016 9:53:58 GMT -5
I guess the one good thing is I can now crank open my bedroom window, have a solid shooting rest, and shoot any deer that is in eyesight. ^ "You know how I know" you don't understand ballistics....smh
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Post by ms660 on Oct 28, 2016 10:20:10 GMT -5
I have a question not about HPR, but Colorado itself. Since you live there, I have been wanting to ask this question to one who lives there. Since Colorado legalize pot can you see any effects it had on the state? Not wanting to hijack this thread if you want you can PM and give me your thoughts on the legalization of pot has had on the state.
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Post by salt on Oct 28, 2016 10:32:28 GMT -5
I guess the one good thing is I can now crank open my bedroom window, have a solid shooting rest, and shoot any deer that is in eyesight. ^ "You know how I know" you don't understand ballistics....smh ? ? ?
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 28, 2016 10:42:16 GMT -5
^ "You know how I know" you don't understand ballistics....smh ? ? ? I would assume it was because you didn't think you could do that prior to the HPR ruling....modern MLs and wildcat rounds already having been legal were plenty capable of everything the new HPRs can do. At least that is my guess where he was coming from.
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Post by ms660 on Oct 28, 2016 10:58:39 GMT -5
I would assume it was because you didn't think you could do that prior to the HPR ruling....modern MLs and wildcat rounds already having been legal were plenty capable of everything the new HPRs can do. At least that is my guess where he was coming from. What you say is true IF you had the cash to lay down for a custom made wildcat round rifle. He may have his Dads old Ruger M77 243 in his closet that was not legal in our state but now is. This is my situation. I have never even thought about buying a wildcat round rifle to use during firearms season, but have always wanted to see what my Dads 243 would do.
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Post by jjas on Oct 28, 2016 11:07:09 GMT -5
I get why some hunters want to challenge themselves with traditional bows or muzzleloaders, or strictly bow hunt, but I've never understood why anyone would be against hunters using a legal piece of equipment that when compared to previous choices available are normally much easier to master and inherently more accurate for the task @ hand.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2016 11:22:46 GMT -5
I get why some hunters want to challenge themselves with traditional bows or muzzleloaders, or strictly bow hunt, but I've never understood why anyone would be against hunters using a legal piece of equipment that when compared to previous choices available are normally much easier to master and inherently more accurate for the task @ hand. I think some of it is cost, some tradition, jealousy ,and some is just the fear of new and or safety. I am glad crossbows are now allowed. I know so many senior hunters stopped bow hunting because of string pull and weight issue. Now they are back and it's great to see them every year. Maybe the .243 HPR with the low kick will have a similar effect. I think some forget about the youth and the seniors hunters!
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Post by salt on Oct 28, 2016 11:29:37 GMT -5
I get why some hunters want to challenge themselves with traditional bows or muzzleloaders, or strictly bow hunt, but I've never understood why anyone would be against hunters using a legal piece of equipment that when compared to previous choices available are normally much easier to master and inherently more accurate for the task @ hand. I'm not against using HPR in Indiana. Just don't believe it is safe in all of Indiana.
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Post by M4Madness on Oct 28, 2016 11:38:34 GMT -5
Let's just hope that everyone is smart enough to know where to use them, as well as be safe with them. We have people getting shot all the time with slug guns (at least two last season), so even if someone gets shot with a HPR, is not out of the "norm" for Indiana, so to speak.
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Post by squirrelhunter on Oct 28, 2016 11:57:02 GMT -5
I'm all for it.
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