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Post by GS1 on Dec 20, 2016 21:15:51 GMT -5
We harvested 7 doe's off my 140 acre property in Switzerland County this season. Easily could have harvested several more. I took 3 but I had no need for more. Invited 2 friends over and they each took 2. The last doe harvested my friend had 21 antlerless in the field when he shot her. I realize my situation is much different than most as I have 2 large adjoining farms of 230-240 acres respectively and they rarely shot a doe off either. Both hunt but are older and hunt only for bucks. I plant over 15 acres in food plots and plant a couple fields in addition for the two neighbor's as well. Have a friend that lives 8 miles away with 180 acres and he has more deer than I do. I have it good and he has better. He killed a monster 195" NT this season and 3 doe's along with a 155" by a land partner and a 130" buck by his step son. He already has 8 bucks on trail cam over 130" since gun season ended. That's great. Sounds like my neighborhood on a smaller scale. My neighbor is probably the largest private landowner in Warrick County. His ground receives very little hunting pressure and the few that do hunt claim there are no deer. What did those does weigh? 70lbs like the early park hunt days where the deer were overpopulated and needed to be thinned out? Like I said, the bundle would have covered the hunter that shot the most antlerless. No need for all this bonus antlerless crap they have. Of course you would have had to purchase an additional tag for the buck.
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Post by mkfrench on Dec 20, 2016 21:39:34 GMT -5
Ok. This crap is getting absurd. Today alone between social media and here I've seen 10 instances of "hunters" critiquing hunters...for HUNTING!
Jealousy, jealousy, Jealousy!
"Don't help you your fellow HUMANS by donating a deer. Give them the cost of a tag!" Are you freaking serious!?!?
"You don't need (fill in blank)" the only thing you don't "need" to do is tell another person, me especially, what I "need"! I sure as hell won't tell you what to LEGALLY do!
"By god, I been killing deer on this property for 20 years!"-yes that 20 years coincides with the heyday of deer hunting in Indiana but the problem is the Insurance companies(BS) and 8 quota counties.
"See 20 a sit and it was a bad day now I can't see but 2-5".-see above and your standards are WAY to freaking high.
"My 15-200 acres(you choose increment) is prime deer habitat and I can't see a deer anymore" also says "my neighbors slaughter them and my neighbors subdivided and sold surrounding properties into small tracts"-can you really not figure out why your not seeing deer?? Oh, he also blames xbow season and his Ozone eliminating machine for not working correctly for not seeing deer.
"I killed 18 does, 3 booners, and 3 P&Ys off my property this year....well "I" didn't but me and my friends did"-That did NOT happen.
"Heck no, I'm not changing hunting spots to see deer!" - I'm going to bi--- nonstop on social media and forums because that works sooo well.
"I can't stand xbows...why can't I use my 7mm for deer?"-OMG
Shut up, hunt legally, and support fellow hunters.
*yes, i know I critiqued others as well. It was a joke.
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Post by jjas on Dec 20, 2016 22:13:53 GMT -5
jack ryan
While we've all read posts that might make some us cringe, I've personally never known anyone that "killed all I could use and then some just for fun".
If I did, not only would the guy be getting a earful from me, the DNR would be getting a phone call from me as well.
Would it do much good? I have no idea, but I certainly wouldn't just sit idly by and do nothing.
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Post by mkfrench on Dec 20, 2016 22:25:21 GMT -5
Can't believe I forgot my favorite assanine arguement...
..."the late anntleress gun season is bad because (shows you generic pic of a gutted deer with fully formed fetus') of this!"
-Look dude, that's called deer management!!!! Every doe shot is a minumum of TWO less deer next year!(with a couple exceptions of course). Every doe from November 1st has the potential to be pregnant. If you can't accept that, you probably shouldn't be hunting at all and are probably closet vegan.
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Post by firstwd on Dec 20, 2016 23:03:48 GMT -5
This is fantastic! I have much less pent up stress/frustration and I didn't even have to try to censor myself while typing. Ahhh......A good night's sleep is ahead for me. :-)
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Post by greghopper on Dec 21, 2016 12:23:31 GMT -5
I see Ed Hunt (aka billybobteeth/ShoulderNuke)has started the process for Howard county's cdac. Looks to be the first of the pilot 6 counties the DNR ok them to form for a CDAC trial.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 22, 2016 9:01:53 GMT -5
Pictures of obvious browse lines, starving deer, ect. Something that proves a place NEEDS more than 3 does taken off of it for the health of the herd. About dark I could probably get a picture of 20+ does (32 the other evening) feeding in the cornfield next to my house. They are all healthy as can be though. Oh okay I'm following you. By the time you have high brows lines I'd argue you've long passed too many deer being present. Most of my properties shouldn't suffer from high brows lines due to all our habitat work, however that ag one that is around 70acres we can only do plots and not encourage native brows or hinge and such and that dang place stuff gets browsed HARDER than anywhere. I swear anything you plant tree wise fence off or it won't see 4 months in the ground....annoying.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 9:17:03 GMT -5
I have to fence all plants/trees that are on the deer menu. I few years ago Ohio did a survey and my area was the highest with an estimate of 300+ deer per square mile. I look at deer around my home as big rats. Darn deer eat everything. Baiting is allowed and there are so many city type folks that think they are cute and feed them. There are also a few hunters that feed them for pictures and hunting. I should open a deer feed pet store. Here bambi.
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Post by jjas on Dec 22, 2016 9:48:56 GMT -5
I see Ed Hunt (aka billybobteeth/ShoulderNuke)has started the process for Howard county's cdac. Looks to be the first of the pilot 6 counties the DNR ok them to form for a CDAC trial. Even though I have a pretty good idea of how all of this is going to turn out, the process should prove to be quite interesting....
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 22, 2016 10:06:58 GMT -5
I see Ed Hunt (aka billybobteeth/ShoulderNuke)has started the process for Howard county's cdac. Looks to be the first of the pilot 6 counties the DNR ok them to form for a CDAC trial. Even though I have a pretty good idea of how all of this is going to turn out, the process should prove to be quite interesting.... My take is it is not the results that will be looked at but the process itself will determine whether this goes any further.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 22, 2016 10:27:03 GMT -5
Even though I have a pretty good idea of how all of this is going to turn out, the process should prove to be quite interesting.... My take is it is not the results that will be looked at but the process itself will determine whether this goes any further. EXACTLY my thoughts as well.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 22, 2016 11:07:32 GMT -5
Even though I have a pretty good idea of how all of this is going to turn out, the process should prove to be quite interesting.... My take is it is not the results that will be looked at but the process itself will determine whether this goes any further. Anyone can do the very same thing there're doing by just emailing the State's Head Biologist with input.... Folks have been doing this for years! Nothing New other then spreading the word or sometimes miss- information.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 22, 2016 11:27:20 GMT -5
My take is it is not the results that will be looked at but the process itself will determine whether this goes any further. Anyone can do the very same thing there're doing by just emailing the State's Head Biologist with input.... Folks have been doing this for years! Nothing New other then spreading the word or sometimes miss- information. Amen, cannot like this enough!
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Post by jjas on Dec 23, 2016 8:37:28 GMT -5
One thing I've noticed recently is that the facebook page of this group has been posting more articles (and more of their members) seem to be pushing the "let's move the firearms season" idea that was a huge part of prop 1 a few years ago.
Based on posts I've seen on other forums, it also appears that members of the faction of hunters that were p*ssed that 1.0 didn't pass, have joined this group (many behind the scenes) so as to try and push it through this way.
And while I would hope that the DNR is aware of this, it leads me to wonder how objective can/will the data and reports in the CDAC pilot be if this is the ultimate end game?
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Post by greghopper on Dec 23, 2016 9:23:39 GMT -5
One thing I've noticed recently is that the facebook page of this group has been posting more articles (and more of their members) seem to be pushing the "let's move the firearms season" idea that was a huge part of prop 1 a few years ago. Based on posts I've seen on other forums, it also appears that members of the faction of hunters that were p*ssed that 1.0 didn't pass, have joined this group (many behind the scenes) so as to try and push it through this way. And while I would hope that the DNR is aware of this, it leads me to wonder how objective can/will the data and reports in the CDAC pilot be if this is the ultimate end game? You got remember that these ar
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 23, 2016 9:45:24 GMT -5
One thing I've noticed recently is that the facebook page of this group has been posting more articles (and more of their members) seem to be pushing the "let's move the firearms season" idea that was a huge part of prop 1 a few years ago. Based on posts I've seen on other forums, it also appears that members of the faction of hunters that were p*ssed that 1.0 didn't pass, have joined this group (many behind the scenes) so as to try and push it through this way. And while I would hope that the DNR is aware of this, it leads me to wonder how objective can/will the data and reports in the CDAC pilot be if this is the ultimate end game? I've long said if someone truly wants to lower the harvest totals, the biggest way to impact totals is adjusting firearms timing or length, outside of just banning tags that is the most for sure way to affect harvest totals. I personally don't care enough to fight for any way.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 23, 2016 10:06:57 GMT -5
One thing I've noticed recently is that the facebook page of this group has been posting more articles (and more of their members) seem to be pushing the "let's move the firearms season" idea that was a huge part of prop 1 a few years ago. Based on posts I've seen on other forums, it also appears that members of the faction of hunters that were p*ssed that 1.0 didn't pass, have joined this group (many behind the scenes) so as to try and push it through this way. And while I would hope that the DNR is aware of this, it leads me to wonder how objective can/will the data and reports in the CDAC pilot be if this is the ultimate end game? I've long said if someone truly wants to lower the harvest totals, the biggest way to impact totals is adjusting firearms timing or length, outside of just banning tags that is the most for sure way to affect harvest totals. I personally don't care enough to fight for any way. People that backed prop1 said that was the best way to reduce the herd was to move and shorten... Nothing said about reducing tags also. But there looks to be known Hypocrites in that group also..... "Dew as I say,not as I Dew"
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 23, 2016 10:09:39 GMT -5
I've long said if someone truly wants to lower the harvest totals, the biggest way to impact totals is adjusting firearms timing or length, outside of just banning tags that is the most for sure way to affect harvest totals. I personally don't care enough to fight for any way. People that backed prop1 said that was the best way to reduce the herd was to move and shorten... Nothing said about reducing tags also. But there looks to be known Hypocrites in that group also..... "Dew as I say,not as I Dew" I don't follow the logic that you'd reduce the herd more by moving and shortening...firearms season harvests a flat out insane number of deer in simply the opening weekend even.
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Post by scrobertson on Dec 23, 2016 10:15:19 GMT -5
People that backed prop1 said that was the best way to reduce the herd was to move and shorten... Nothing said about reducing tags also. But there looks to be known Hypocrites in that group also..... "Dew as I say,not as I Dew" I don't follow the logic that you'd reduce the herd more by moving and shortening...firearms season harvests a flat out insane number of deer in simply the opening weekend even. Reduce harvest #s maybe?
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Post by greghopper on Dec 23, 2016 10:15:50 GMT -5
There logic was folks would just rush and kill what ever they seen... And never wait for another day to get there deer.
Where you not around when all this was happening here in Indiana.... The rule changes?Ty
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