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Post by firstwd on Dec 23, 2016 19:13:46 GMT -5
Hit the brakes boys! Nowhere have I seen or heard anything about the DNR wanting to reduce the kill numbers. Quit trying to figure out a way for this group to achieve their selfish desires.
Why don't we do like Georgia? Or at least what Georgia used to do, I haven't looked in several years. Deer season is deer season. Any legal weapon is legal the entire time. You want to see antlered deer have a chance to get old and grow bigger? Give everybody 3 months to get the deal sealed. That way everyone can hunt the weather they prefer and whenever their schedules permit. If you think about it, this is one reason why high fence operations are becoming popular.
By the way, this suggestion has gotten quite a negative response from several bow bender groups. Why? The all mighty OBR solved all their concerns years ago. :-)
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Dec 23, 2016 19:26:36 GMT -5
Once the quality of the hunting keeps hunters from buying licenses here, then there will be changes for a better hunting experience (less firearms days and/or later in season). It is truly all about the money, a well balanced herd with a good population of mature bucks is out of reach with our management (in most areas not managed by large land holders, outfitters or leases or urban areas). My advice is if your hunting sucks here, which I am hearing more and more, then start working on going somewhere like Kansas, Iowa, Ohio, or Illinois. Don't keep doing the same thing here and wasting your time. Kentucky is also a great option just due to the amount of habitat compared to here. The quality of deer in this state isn't going downhill in my opinion. There are a lot of big deer killed in this state every season and that's not going to change any time soon. Just because people aren't seeing the 20 deer a sit they used to doesn't mean the quality is going down. To me it means the DNR is getting the herd where they want it to be. My final thought on all this is the DNR sets the rules, it's the hunters who pull the trigger to do the killing. You want quality and quantity to increase in your area then don't pull the trigger until you're satisfied with the herd. I do like the idea of hunters running out of state to have better hunting, because that leaves more deer for me.
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 23, 2016 19:30:53 GMT -5
Hit the brakes boys! Nowhere have I seen or heard anything about the DNR wanting to reduce the kill numbers. Quit trying to figure out a way for this group to achieve their selfish desires. Why don't we do like Georgia? Or at least what Georgia used to do, I haven't looked in several years. Deer season is deer season. Any legal weapon is legal the entire time. You want to see antlered deer have a chance to get old and grow bigger? Give everybody 3 months to get the deal sealed. That way everyone can hunt the weather they prefer and whenever their schedules permit. If you think about it, this is one reason why high fence operations are becoming popular. By the way, this suggestion has gotten quite a negative response from several bow bender groups. Why? The all mighty OBR solved all their concerns years ago. :-) Georgia is mostly a state of privilege from what I have heard. Huge leases and high dollar clubs. Just sayin
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 26, 2016 18:03:17 GMT -5
Says the Bow only Hunter^^^^^^^Yeah NO hunting in Nov. What do you mean? I was pretty impartial and typically pride myself on the ability to remove biasness. If asked if we should change anything I'd say only thing I think could be justified is addressing exactly what is allowed in ML season....otherwise I personally feel it is about as "best" as it can get now.
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Post by GS1 on Dec 26, 2016 20:15:58 GMT -5
It's not fair to the gun hunters if they loose days and the bowhunter doesn't? I thought the goal was to manage the deer herd not to make all the little snowflakes happy.
If gun season needs shortened, moved, lengthened whatever do it. If the bow season needs adjusted to get the harvest where it needs to be, do it. It's not about making everyone happy. It's about a healthy deer herd.
I see all this crying on facebook and it is pitiful. It's like a bunch of 7 year olds are posting. Everyone afraid they aren't going to get as much as the next guy or they are going to loose a couple of days in the woods and another group isn't.
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Post by jackryan on Dec 26, 2016 20:28:16 GMT -5
It's not fair to the gun hunters if they loose days and the bowhunter doesn't? I thought the goal was to manage the deer herd not to make all the little snowflakes happy. If gun season needs shortened, moved, lengthened whatever do it. If the bow season needs adjusted to get the harvest where it needs to be, do it. It's not about making everyone happy. It's about a healthy deer herd. I see all this crying on facebook and it is pitiful. It's like a bunch of 7 year olds are posting. Everyone afraid they aren't going to get as much as the next guy or they are going to loose a couple of days in the woods and another group isn't. NO, if the gun season needs shortened then stop shooting up all the does and handing out poaching permits to every farmer planting a kernel of corn.
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Post by ukwil on Dec 26, 2016 20:31:19 GMT -5
Once the quality of the hunting keeps hunters from buying licenses here, then there will be changes for a better hunting experience (less firearms days and/or later in season). It is truly all about the money, a well balanced herd with a good population of mature bucks is out of reach with our management (in most areas not managed by large land holders, outfitters or leases or urban areas). My advice is if your hunting sucks here, which I am hearing more and more, then start working on going somewhere like Kansas, Iowa, Ohio, or Illinois. Don't keep doing the same thing here and wasting your time. Kentucky is also a great option just due to the amount of habitat compared to here. Coming from someone who lives in Ohio, the hunting isn't what everyone thinks. Horn porn is driving more and more people into the state. Thus locking up more private ground via leasing and driving more people to already highly pressured public land. I also don't agree with the season structure. The amount of pressure applied to the herd over the short gun seasons is more detrimental than what is applied over Indiana or Kentuckys longer seasons. People are more likely to shoot anything that moves in a shorter season than being picky knowing they have more than 13 total days, between gun and muzzy seasons, to get it done. Grass isn't always greener on the other side. People have to realize too that the herd needs managed for health or quality more so than quantity.
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Post by ukwil on Dec 26, 2016 20:35:36 GMT -5
It's not fair to the gun hunters if they loose days and the bowhunter doesn't? I thought the goal was to manage the deer herd not to make all the little snowflakes happy. If gun season needs shortened, moved, lengthened whatever do it. If the bow season needs adjusted to get the harvest where it needs to be, do it. It's not about making everyone happy. It's about a healthy deer herd. I see all this crying on facebook and it is pitiful. It's like a bunch of 7 year olds are posting. Everyone afraid they aren't going to get as much as the next guy or they are going to loose a couple of days in the woods and another group isn't. I've seen some of the quotes there too. I was gonna put my suggestion of a season structure on their page, but haven't. Since horn size is apparently all that matters let's set up the season like this. October= Does only. Do your herd management now November= No hunting at all to ensure that all those Big Bucks get to pass their genes on with out any worry of getting shot. December= Bucks only to ensure that all the does bred make it unharmed to next year. Stop all hunting as of December 31. It's a win win: grow the herd and big antlers
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 27, 2016 8:23:17 GMT -5
It's not fair to the gun hunters if they loose days and the bowhunter doesn't? I thought the goal was to manage the deer herd not to make all the little snowflakes happy. If gun season needs shortened, moved, lengthened whatever do it. If the bow season needs adjusted to get the harvest where it needs to be, do it. It's not about making everyone happy. It's about a healthy deer herd. I see all this crying on facebook and it is pitiful. It's like a bunch of 7 year olds are posting. Everyone afraid they aren't going to get as much as the next guy or they are going to loose a couple of days in the woods and another group isn't. NO, if the gun season needs shortened then stop shooting up all the does and handing out poaching permits to every farmer planting a kernel of corn. Poaching is reserved solely for the act of illegally harvesting. Like em, hate em, despise em or love em...depredation permits used correctly are not poaching nor should those folks be labeled as so.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 9:21:05 GMT -5
There is much difference in a gun or bow hunter. Bow hunters are catching up. The large majority of hunters hunt both so there is no lose or difference year to year. Sampling of 47 (Sampling of Indiana Hunters)
57.45% Bow, Gun and Muzzleloader (all three) 12.77% Bow, Gun, and if needed Muzzleloader 10.64% Bow and Gun Hunt only 10.64% Gun and Muzzleloader Hunt Only 6.38% Bow Hunt only all seasons 2.13% Gun Hunt Only
6.38% Bow Hunt only all seasons
Summary: 93.64% Gun hunt and 80.86 Bow hunt
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Post by greghopper on Dec 27, 2016 9:30:33 GMT -5
So if you bow hunt one day a season your a BowHunter ?
Maybe you need to ask the amount days hunted
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 27, 2016 9:33:52 GMT -5
There is much difference in a gun or bow hunter. Bow hunters are catching up. The large majority of hunters hunt both so there is no lose or difference year to year. Sampling of 47 (Sampling of Indiana Hunters) 57.45% Bow, Gun and Muzzleloader (all three) 12.77% Bow, Gun, and if needed Muzzleloader 10.64% Bow and Gun Hunt only 10.64% Gun and Muzzleloader Hunt Only 6.38% Bow Hunt only all seasons 2.13% Gun Hunt Only 6.38% Bow Hunt only all seasons Summary: 93.64% Gun hunt and 80.86 Bow hunt I bet this is very close, I put Bow only because predominately if I gun hunt is a day or two and that is it... interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 10:36:23 GMT -5
There is much difference in a gun or bow hunter. Bow hunters are catching up. The large majority of hunters hunt both so there is no lose or difference year to year. Sampling of 47 (Sampling of Indiana Hunters) 57.45% Bow, Gun and Muzzleloader (all three) 12.77% Bow, Gun, and if needed Muzzleloader 10.64% Bow and Gun Hunt only 10.64% Gun and Muzzleloader Hunt Only 6.38% Bow Hunt only all seasons 2.13% Gun Hunt Only 6.38% Bow Hunt only all seasons Summary: 93.64% Gun hunt and 80.86 Bow hunt I bet this is very close, I put Bow only because predominately if I gun hunt is a day or two and that is it... interesting. I'm the same way, I only hunt opening gun weekend must years. More of a tradition from the early days. I enjoy bow hunting over gun hunting. I checked bow, gun and muzzy if needed. Since bow hunting I have not muzzleloader hunted.
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Post by jackryan on Dec 27, 2016 12:36:08 GMT -5
NO, if the gun season needs shortened then stop shooting up all the does and handing out poaching permits to every farmer planting a kernel of corn. Poaching is reserved solely for the act of illegally harvesting. Like em, hate em, despise em or love em...depredation permits used correctly are not poaching nor should those folks be labeled as so. It's poaching as far as I'm concerned. You call it what ever you want.
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 27, 2016 12:40:23 GMT -5
Poaching is reserved solely for the act of illegally harvesting. Like em, hate em, despise em or love em...depredation permits used correctly are not poaching nor should those folks be labeled as so. It's poaching as far as I'm concerned. You call it what ever you want. So you believe a farmer that legally applies due to crop damage to his fields, which is his livelihood in many cases, is granted say 4 or whatever number. Legally executes the use of them, processes the meat entirely and notifies the state of the tags use...he is a poacher? I am only asking for clarity as to exactly what you are saying.
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Post by boonechaser on Dec 27, 2016 12:42:40 GMT -5
Depredation permit's are so little used these days they are a non issue. (Less than 2000 state wide this year.)
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 27, 2016 12:43:37 GMT -5
Depredation permit's are so little used these days they are a non issue. (Less than 2000 state wide this year.) Very little use state wide for sure...I'm just curious if he seriously feels a farmer going about them correctly and not dumping the carcasses is a poacher in his eyes.
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Post by jackryan on Dec 27, 2016 12:45:14 GMT -5
It's poaching as far as I'm concerned. You call it what ever you want. So you believe a farmer that legally applies due to crop damage to his fields, which is his livelihood in many cases, is granted say 4 or whatever number. Legally executes the use of them, processes the meat entirely and notifies the state of the tags use...he is a poacher? I am only asking for clarity as to exactly what you are saying. Want me to draw a picture to go with it?
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Post by tynimiller on Dec 27, 2016 12:57:16 GMT -5
So you believe a farmer that legally applies due to crop damage to his fields, which is his livelihood in many cases, is granted say 4 or whatever number. Legally executes the use of them, processes the meat entirely and notifies the state of the tags use...he is a poacher? I am only asking for clarity as to exactly what you are saying. Want me to draw a picture to go with it? Only if you desire to. I was curious and outlined that example because I know some despise farmers that use them but don't utilize the venison....that is wanton waste and I agree poaching. I will however infer from the smart answer that yes, you would still look that farmer in the eye and call him a poacher. K.
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Post by boonechaser on Dec 27, 2016 13:47:49 GMT -5
Guys exaggerate there use. I don't know a farmer that has used them in year's. Mid 90's, yes. Pre park hunt's, yes. Are there a few that still do?? Evidently as DNR said that some 2000 were issued this year, but there use has declined right along with the deer herd size.
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