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Post by tynimiller on May 10, 2016 10:49:06 GMT -5
The other thread got me thinking a poll is a more appropriate way to capture the results of at least the tiny audience here.
Now free to hunt means you don't pay a set lease agreement....I know many are like me and invest sweat equity or give the farmer/landowner gifts or a hand...that is not a lease for this polls purpose.
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Post by squirrelhunter on May 10, 2016 11:17:39 GMT -5
Have never leased and probably won't ever,can't afford it.
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Post by drs on May 11, 2016 4:40:59 GMT -5
I own my Hunting property. Never had to lease a place to hunt.
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Post by duff on May 11, 2016 5:05:33 GMT -5
isn't owning your hunting ground technically paying?
i have leased a spot but not lately.
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Post by drs on May 11, 2016 5:23:19 GMT -5
isn't owning your hunting ground technically paying? i have leased a spot but not lately. No, as I own it "Lock-Stock-Barrel". Only payments I make is my Homeowner's insurance & property tax. My home is located on my acreage too, so I can keep check on it.
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Post by swilk on May 11, 2016 5:36:09 GMT -5
Govt owns it....if you think you own it stop paying your property taxes and see what happens in less than 24 months.
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Post by drs on May 11, 2016 6:10:02 GMT -5
Govt owns it....if you think you own it stop paying your property taxes and see what happens in less than 24 months. That will never happen, as I always pay my property tax first thing each fall. Our taxes, here in Ky, are lower than in Indiana too.
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Post by swilk on May 11, 2016 6:44:45 GMT -5
Good. Govt is less likely to take their land back as long as you pay the payment...
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Post by steiny on May 11, 2016 6:48:58 GMT -5
Owning your own hunting ground is most definitely "paying to hunt" and will be the most expensive hunting you ever do. You could hunt semi guided whitetails in three different states for life, for what you have spent to have a farm big enough to hunt on. Even if you inherited the place for free, you pay out hefty property taxes, upkeep expenses, do tons of work on the place, etc.
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Post by drs on May 11, 2016 7:29:03 GMT -5
Owning your own hunting ground is most definitely "paying to hunt" and will be the most expensive hunting you ever do. You could hunt semi guided whitetails in three different states for life, for what you have spent to have a farm big enough to hunt on. Even if you inherited the place for free, you pay out hefty property taxes, upkeep expenses, do tons of work on the place, etc. I disagree. Bought this property with new home out right (no home or land payments to make). There's nothing wrong with hunting on someone else property, however hunting there, year after year, doesn't mean it will be around for ever. Nothing like owning your own hunting property. Again, our property taxes where I now live is not expensive as it is not classified as Agriculture land and is classified as forest land. Only my Home is taxed (property) and the land is not taxed, as it is not used as a business or farm. As for improving my property, it gives me something to do during the winter, and is a hobby. Upkeep expenses is not an issue either. You mention: "Owning your own hunting property is the most expensive hunting you'll ever do"...... Please explain your statement.
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Post by swilk on May 11, 2016 7:40:53 GMT -5
uuummm ... because you can go to public ground and hunt for "free" (sort of ... ignoring your tax dollars that fund the public property) but when you own land you have the purchase price and every dollar put into it since purchase. Insurance. Taxes. Upkeep and maintenance.
Worth it? .... yes. But it is still expensive to "own" your own "hunting" ground.
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Post by drs on May 11, 2016 8:05:33 GMT -5
uuummm ... because you can go to public ground and hunt for "free" (sort of ... ignoring your tax dollars that fund the public property) but when you own land you have the purchase price and every dollar put into it since purchase. Insurance. Taxes. Upkeep and maintenance. Worth it? .... yes. But it is still expensive to "own" your own "hunting" ground. Swilk, don't you own property to hunt on? If so then your reply to my post makes no sense. As I recall you do own property. As I said my "expenses" are a non-issue.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on May 11, 2016 9:13:31 GMT -5
I go on 2-3 out of state hunts per year. Each year, I spend about what an average 70-80 acre lease goes for around here. But I get more satisfaction from the trips than I would by leasing a local woods.
I am fortunate, though, to have pretty much free access to some property here at home.
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Post by steiny on May 11, 2016 9:22:14 GMT -5
While I appreciate what you are saying drs, hunting your own ground is hugely expensive. You obviously don't care which is fine, but don't ignore the facts.
Was it gifted to you? If not you paid some pretty significant $$ for it. Do you pay taxes? Do you have upkeep expenses? Do you have insurance expenses? Do you own equipment to keep the place up? If you do food plots or habitat improvement, add those expenses too.
I suppose it's possible, but it would be pretty rare hunting ground that generated enough income to cover the expenses of ownership and paid for itself.
Meanwhile, a guy from town can knock on doors and get someplace to hunt for free with none of the above expenses.
Fact is you could eat lobster and prime rib a whole lot cheaper than those deer you eat off of your own farm.
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Post by drs on May 11, 2016 9:39:55 GMT -5
While I appreciate what you are saying drs, hunting your own ground is hugely expensive. You obviously don't care which is fine, but don't ignore the facts. Was it gifted to you? If not you paid some pretty significant $$ for it. Do you pay taxes? Do you have upkeep expenses? Do you have insurance expenses? Do you own equipment to keep the place up? If you do food plots or habitat improvement, add those expenses too. I suppose it's possible, but it would be pretty rare hunting ground that generated enough income to cover the expenses of ownership and paid for itself. Meanwhile, a guy from town can knock on doors and get someplace to hunt for free with none of the above expenses. Fact is you could eat lobster and prime rib a whole lot cheaper than those deer you eat off of your own farm. While I appreciate what you are saying drs, hunting your own ground is hugely expensive. You obviously don't care which is fine, but don't ignore the facts. I am not ignoring any facts.Was it gifted to you? If not you paid some pretty significant $$ for it. I purchased it, just wrote a check and it all belonged to me then.Do you pay taxes? Do you have upkeep expenses? Do you have insurance expenses? Do you own equipment to keep the place up? If you do food plots or habitat improvement, add those expenses too. I pay property taxes, very little upkeep expenses (Home built in 2006), Have Homeowners insurance, Have equipment to keep up my property, I also engage in habitat improvement, which cost very little.I suppose it's possible, but it would be pretty rare hunting ground that generated enough income to cover the expenses of ownership and paid for itself. Not trying to make any money on my property. I am retired.Meanwhile, a guy from town can knock on doors and get someplace to hunt for free with none of the above expenses. True. When I lived in Washington & Evansville my family had lots of friends that owned farms & property and they let me hunt each year. My Father had several patients, in Washington, Indiana + several in other counties that allowed me to hunt on their land.Fact is you could eat lobster and prime rib a whole lot cheaper than those deer you eat off of your own farm. I don't have to buy a Deer tag or Hunting Licenses to hunt on my land. Also, I process all of my game including Deer. I don't like Lobster but do enjoy Prime Rib, once in awhile.
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Post by tynimiller on May 11, 2016 11:08:58 GMT -5
I recently (just this spring) joined the land ownership club. And I agree completely with those saying it is cheapest hunting you can have....long term.
Yes it costs you money, unless gifted but land is not a depreciating thing (except in extremely rare situations). My 22.2 acres I stole honestly....and it already could be flipped for double or so in less than 2 weeks time compared to my purchase price.
So sure it cost me but it has a positive value not a negative. All the habitat work costs and such I could do for years and the place still holds a higher value than my all encompassing investments.
My land cost me "x" which I would fork over in probably 10 years time or less on a solid to good lease....BUT I own it and will continue till the day I don't...
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Post by nfalls116 on May 11, 2016 11:17:10 GMT -5
There's no such thing as a free lunch. And drs the state of Kentucky and federal government owns your property anyway.
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Post by swilk on May 11, 2016 11:28:12 GMT -5
I recently (just this spring) joined the land ownership club. And I agree completely with those saying it is cheapest hunting you can have....long term. Yes it costs you money, unless gifted but land is not a depreciating thing (except in extremely rare situations). My 22.2 acres I stole honestly....and it already could be flipped for double or so in less than 2 weeks time compared to my purchase price. So sure it cost me but it has a positive value not a negative. All the habitat work costs and such I could do for years and the place still holds a higher value than my all encompassing investments. My land cost me "x" which I would fork over in probably 10 years time or less on a solid to good lease....BUT I own it and will continue till the day I don't... The only thing I would say is that yes, it is an appreciating asset but not one that I will likely see. It will be either sold or kept after my death and my wife or kids will see the benefit of that appreciating asset. With an investment of a couple hundred thousand $$ and having hunted it for 7 years it is pretty dang expensive. Im 41 .... lets say I hunt until in 81 .... that would be 47 years of hunting that farm and its still equal to the price of a decent guided hunt each and every year until I die.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 11, 2016 11:38:50 GMT -5
No such thing as a free lunch OR free hunting ..
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Post by drs on May 11, 2016 12:42:39 GMT -5
There's no such thing as a free lunch. And drs the state of Kentucky and federal government owns your property anyway. Show me proof, can you submit a web link?? Also I am still trying to figure out why my property ownership has become to-days point of interest. Mostly in a negative way from some members here. I pay my property taxes promptly each year, probably the first county resident to do so. I am also sensing a bit of jealousy from some here.
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