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Post by jjas on May 2, 2016 10:43:42 GMT -5
We've all hunted over something (food plots, scents, decoys, etc) put out specifically for attempting to attract and/or hold deer. A friend of mine put in a small pond in his woods for the deer to drink out of and hunts over it. Would that be considered baiting the deer?
Point being, we can spit/spat over what is bait and what isn't, but between our food plots, scent reducing camo, 24/7/365 cameras, etc....we've all done things to try and tip the odds in our favor.
So the way I look @ it is this...If it's considered legal (and I don't find it objectionable), then I'll probably try it. If it's not legal, (whether I agree with it being legal or not), I don't do it....
IMO, it's just that simple.
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Post by tynimiller on May 2, 2016 11:10:48 GMT -5
jjas...if it were made legal to me a bait pile will NEVER happen again for me. It is the main reason why I turned down a bear hunt this year.
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Post by wesb81219 on May 2, 2016 12:16:18 GMT -5
I hunted for the first time ever over bait one hunt in Kansas 2 years back...if you think setting over a bait pile of corn is the same as a food plot sorry you are crazy. Just my personal two cents. No matter what "bait" or food plot you use and as I previously stated yes food plots require more effort but no matter how you look at it they yield the same results. I myself wouldn't just set a salt block out and hunt it but a mineral site and or manageable food plot deeper into the woods yes I would.
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Post by MuzzleLoader on May 2, 2016 12:27:05 GMT -5
Not sure why when someone says "bait" it has to be placed in a pile. Get the seed spreader and spread it out on the field/area. (Thinking more for corn).
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Post by jjas on May 2, 2016 12:40:29 GMT -5
jjas...if it were made legal to me a bait pile will NEVER happen again for me. It is the main reason why I turned down a bear hunt this year. That's why I said this in my previous post.... So the way I look @ it is this...If it's considered legal (and I don't find it objectionable), then I'll probably try it.
I've watched people hunt bison on TV and it seems more like killing a cow, so I would pass on that. I'm not a fan of watching people kill bears over a bait pile or deer hunters killing a deer over a spin feeder, so I would likely pass on those too. Not saying people shouldn't do it if it's legal. I'm just saying I, myself find those types of hunts objectionable and would pass.
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Post by tynimiller on May 2, 2016 13:07:45 GMT -5
jjas...if it were made legal to me a bait pile will NEVER happen again for me. It is the main reason why I turned down a bear hunt this year. That's why I said this in my previous post.... So the way I look @ it is this...If it's considered legal (and I don't find it objectionable), then I'll probably try it.
I've watched people hunt bison on TV and it seems more like killing a cow, so I would pass on that. I'm not a fan of watching people kill bears over a bait pile or deer hunters killing a deer over a spin feeder, so I would likely pass on those too. Not saying people shouldn't do it if it's legal. I'm just saying I, myself find those types of hunts objectionable and would pass. I completely get it bud! I was merely making it known I'm not a back and forth on this. Ever since doing it that one time I have zero desire to do it again personally.
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Post by tynimiller on May 2, 2016 13:08:50 GMT -5
I hunted for the first time ever over bait one hunt in Kansas 2 years back...if you think setting over a bait pile of corn is the same as a food plot sorry you are crazy. Just my personal two cents. No matter what "bait" or food plot you use and as I previously stated yes food plots require more effort but no matter how you look at it they yield the same results. I myself wouldn't just set a salt block out and hunt it but a mineral site and or manageable food plot deeper into the woods yes I would. I need your food plots then...tiny (like 3x3)...only accessible when I deem them to be as well....and never ending so long as I want food there.
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Post by swilk on May 2, 2016 13:15:23 GMT -5
I hunted for the first time ever over bait one hunt in Kansas 2 years back...if you think setting over a bait pile of corn is the same as a food plot sorry you are crazy. Just my personal two cents. No matter what "bait" or food plot you use and as I previously stated yes food plots require more effort but no matter how you look at it they yield the same results. I myself wouldn't just set a salt block out and hunt it but a mineral site and or manageable food plot deeper into the woods yes I would. Actually, the way I look at it they are much different. Kind of throws the opinion "no matter how you look at it ...." out the window.
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Post by tynimiller on May 2, 2016 13:23:53 GMT -5
No matter what "bait" or food plot you use and as I previously stated yes food plots require more effort but no matter how you look at it they yield the same results. I myself wouldn't just set a salt block out and hunt it but a mineral site and or manageable food plot deeper into the woods yes I would. Actually, the way I look at it they are much different. Kind of throws the opinion "no matter how you look at it ...." out the window. Had a buddy that said if a pile of corn is the same as a food plot than my gun is the same as your bow....I'm taking it bow hunting. (he was a cheesy one!)
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Post by boonechaser on May 2, 2016 13:42:25 GMT -5
I say no. Guy's want to compare food plot's to salt blocks. Serious??? That is just plain stupid. If you do not understand the difference than there is no use me trying to convince a person otherwise. They are not the same.
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Post by trapperdave on May 2, 2016 14:02:50 GMT -5
A deer can turn his head in any direction and find food( whether in a plot, going to the plot or in the woods field etc....a salt block is only in one very specific spot.
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Post by dbd870 on May 2, 2016 14:19:54 GMT -5
I bet there's more to what happed then what is being said here..... We will never know for sure but as bitter as he was about it I'm betting he was falsely prosecuted.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 2, 2016 17:59:07 GMT -5
Food plots can get the deer where you can shoot them just like a pile of corn can - IF we are talking about firearms.. I can sit in the middle stand in my food plot and shoot from one end to the other. It's only 35 yards wide too.
Bow? A little different, but not a lot. Most deer enter at certain points and I have stands that cover most of those points. With the food plot being only 35 yards wide any deer that walks/browses down it will come into range of my crossbow or my son's PSE compound.
I guess my biggest objection to baiting would be the disease aspect. Dumped corn can mold and kill deer and turkeys too..
Good discussion but let's not slip into personal stuff.
PLUS - please give your input pro or con to the IDNR ..
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Post by INhuntin on May 2, 2016 18:40:08 GMT -5
If you are a proper hunter/outdoorsman you will know the natural attractant for the prey you are hunting. I my opinion only a inexperienced or lazy hunter will use bait brought into the woods for luring there prey into a shooting position. Baiting makes it too easy to harvest game, & you don't learn anything about your prey from a hunt like that. Isn't what hunting is about, learning about nature, learning how to scout the habits & actions of your prey. To hunt over a bait pile is almost like hunting inside a high fenced area.
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Post by squirrelhunter on May 2, 2016 18:58:57 GMT -5
I really don't see what all the fuss is about really,I hunted over a mineral block site for 2 years in Kentucky and there was only 1 time any came in to it and the first year there was very little digging in it the entire season. Even by the next season it wasn't what you'd call humongous. Maybe it just wasn't in a good enough spot or something not sure,but it didn't really help much.
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Post by GS1 on May 2, 2016 19:34:28 GMT -5
If you are a proper hunter/outdoorsman you will know the natural attractant for the prey you are hunting. I my opinion only a inexperienced or lazy hunter will use bait brought into the woods for luring there prey into a shooting position. Baiting makes it too easy to harvest game, & you don't learn anything about your prey from a hunt like that. Isn't what hunting is about, learning about nature, learning how to scout the habits & actions of your prey. To hunt over a bait pile is almost like hunting inside a high fenced area. How many deer have you killed over bait?
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Post by bullseye69 on May 2, 2016 21:34:17 GMT -5
No, for baiting. A guy who lives by my parents just got busted last year for baiting deer. He was bringing in people from out of state and having them hunt on his land over bait piles. So defiantly NO.
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Post by dbd870 on May 3, 2016 6:16:08 GMT -5
I really don't see what all the fuss is about really,I hunted over a mineral block site for 2 years in Kentucky and there was only 1 time any came in to it and the first year there was very little digging in it the entire season. Even by the next season it wasn't what you'd call humongous. Maybe it just wasn't in a good enough spot or something not sure,but it didn't really help much. Pretty well mirrors my KY experience. We put out some corn a few times here and there and never got anything at them but little deer and not that many, often there would be no deer at the corn. We quit bothering with it and did fine. It's a big deal over nothing as far as I can tell. Don't think I ever shot a deer over a bait pile.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on May 3, 2016 9:54:11 GMT -5
Food plots can get the deer where you can shoot them just like a pile of corn can - IF we are talking about firearms.. I can sit in the middle stand in my food plot and shoot from one end to the other. It's only 35 yards wide too. Bow? A little different, but not a lot. Most deer enter at certain points and I have stands that cover most of those points. With the food plot being only 35 yards wide any deer that walks/browses down it will come into range of my crossbow or my son's PSE compound. I guess my biggest objection to baiting would be the disease aspect. Dumped corn can mold and kill deer and turkeys too.. Good discussion but let's not slip into personal stuff. PLUS - please give your input pro or con to the IDNR .. I don't mind being called crazy. LOL I yam what I yam. They are the same in concept only. They draw them to our area. However, I have a field stand in my food plot with a blind on top to block my silhouette, and am still almost 100yds from the furthermost point away. I've thought about a decoy to bring him closer to me for bow, but I really don't want to do that. What I did do is move my rubbing post 25yds from my stand. They don't actually rub it, but they do lick the hanging branch. They don't eat the branch, but it baits them closer. Possibly one might think that the size of food plot constitutes said "baiting???" Soooooo, it's just a matter of perspective. In concept, they are the same. In actuality, they are different. Some guys hunt just for feeding their family as a needed supplement. I would hate to tell these fellas that they cannot bait. If this were a legal baiting stipulation, then the percentage of needy hunters would significantly increase. For example, in Johnson County, 75% of voters voted against the lotto. I'm confident that after the lotto passed, more than 25% of Johnson County residents have played what they voted against. Obviously, one would not be required to bait if legal. I would venture to say that the more experienced sportsman would not want to bait, seeking more of a challenge than an easy trophy. My skills, limitations and opportunities will most likely prevent me from ever reaching this level. HOWEVER, I have grown as a hunter (lightly expressed), and the venture has been rewarding even though my harvests have gotten much smaller. LOL
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Post by boonechaser on May 3, 2016 9:57:30 GMT -5
Mineral licks/salt licks aren't very attractive to deer in the fall. Doe's crave salt in spring while carrying and nursing fawns and bucks crave while in antler growing stage. After Sept.1 sites see very little activity. Attractant's such as corn, apples, etc. would draw many more deer and agree that piles of these can encourage the spread of disease.
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