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Post by M4Madness on May 1, 2016 8:50:26 GMT -5
I bet there's more to what happed then what is being said here..... I'm positive that the majority of Indiana Conservation Officers are honorable, hard-working men and women (my first cousin is one), but I'm also just as certain that there are a few bad apples out there as well. I personally know of two incidents involving three individuals where the "shining" law wasn't actually broken in the spirit in which it was created, yet they were charged anyway (same county, so probably same CO).
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Post by greghopper on May 1, 2016 12:15:55 GMT -5
I bet there's more to what happed then what is being said here..... I'm positive that the majority of Indiana Conservation Officers are honorable, hard-working men and women (my first cousin is one), but I'm also just as certain that there are a few bad apples out there as well. I personally know of two incidents involving three individuals where the "shining" law wasn't actually broken in the spirit in which it was created, yet they were charged anyway (same county, so probably same CO). Yep.... Looks like there's a "gray area" in most any law/rule it's all a matter of who wants to dance around it.
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Post by wesb81219 on May 1, 2016 12:33:39 GMT -5
All or nothing no discretion should be involved leaves the door open for innocent people to be punished and maybe even cases where a guilty party could slide by with some major BSing
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Post by trapperdave on May 1, 2016 13:24:28 GMT -5
If you DON'T Bait or hunt over or around a baited area there is no "gray area"..... Many want a set distance so they can set just beyond that distance and hunt! Or hunt small parcels like myself. 20 acres. Guy on next 20 acres puts out a salt block, how far do I have to stay away. Two sides to every coin. Fwiw, my local CO told me the dptmnt was instructed to base it off effective range of weapon used. I.e., with my selfbow I can be closer than if I'm carrying a rifle.
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Post by greghopper on May 1, 2016 13:30:42 GMT -5
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Post by M4Madness on May 1, 2016 15:18:56 GMT -5
I'm positive that the majority of Indiana Conservation Officers are honorable, hard-working men and women (my first cousin is one), but I'm also just as certain that there are a few bad apples out there as well. I personally know of two incidents involving three individuals where the "shining" law wasn't actually broken in the spirit in which it was created, yet they were charged anyway (same county, so probably same CO). Yep.... Looks like there's a "gray area" in most any law/rule it's all a matter of who wants to dance around it. One incident involved two individuals driving home from a coyote hunt, and their rifles were in hard cases in the truck's bed. An unknown animal ran out in front of their vehicle and was struck. Fearing that they may have struck someone's pet, they immediately backed up to it and stopped. The passenger shined a flashlight straight down on the dead animal, and determined it to be a skunk. A CO that was on stakeout within view of this suddenly pulls up. The occupants have no worries, as they weren't doing anything wrong. They were utterly shocked when they were charged with use of an artificial light from a motor vehicle while in possession of firearms! The law was created for people spotlighting deer with the intent to shoot them, not to target someone with a firearm they didn't even have access to shining a flashlight on roadkill.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on May 1, 2016 21:46:06 GMT -5
I am blessed to have a food plot now, so I probably would not otherwise bait if I could. I say probably, because I've eaten enough crow.
Yes, I feel like I bait now, but it was an enormous amount of work for me plus $400 of seed not to mention the fertilizer, lime and equipment.
I would hate to see food plots decrease due to "Bag a deer" baiting. It would be a lot cheaper for me to use a bag or bushel of bait, and less work, but there is so much gratification to see them feed for many months in my plot, especially when other food is scarce.
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Post by steiny on May 2, 2016 6:41:05 GMT -5
Baiting? They've done just about everything else to make deer hunting as easy as possible in Indiana, why not baiting too? I look for night hunting and spot lighting to be made legal soon.
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Post by nfalls116 on May 2, 2016 7:05:31 GMT -5
Baiting? They've done just about everything else to make deer hunting as easy as possible in Indiana, why not baiting too? I look for night hunting and spot lighting to be made legal soon. I think all kindsof hunting tactics should be legale for antlerless harvest
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Post by tynimiller on May 2, 2016 7:51:29 GMT -5
I hunted for the first time ever over bait one hunt in Kansas 2 years back...if you think setting over a bait pile of corn is the same as a food plot sorry you are crazy. Just my personal two cents.
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Post by swilk on May 2, 2016 8:14:32 GMT -5
I hunted for the first time ever over bait one hunt in Kansas 2 years back...if you think setting over a bait pile of corn is the same as a food plot sorry you are crazy. Just my personal two cents. Yeah, I think that opinion is pretty far out in left field too.
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Post by kevin1 on May 2, 2016 8:23:29 GMT -5
Same as a food plot, it attracts game to a specific area, and for the same reason. If they make it legal you don't have to do it if you don't want to.
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Post by tynimiller on May 2, 2016 8:36:43 GMT -5
Same as a food plot, it attracts game to a specific area, and for the same reason. If they make it legal you don't have to do it if you don't want to. Negative...unless your food plot is a 3ftx3ft plot...that you can control when the food is present and it never get grazed out (you control the food level present)....the list goes on and on. Have you ever hunted over a bait pile in another state by chance? Have you ever hunted a food plot?
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on May 2, 2016 8:42:51 GMT -5
I hunted for the first time ever over bait one hunt in Kansas 2 years back...if you think setting over a bait pile of corn is the same as a food plot sorry you are crazy. Just my personal two cents. This confirms it; I am crazy.
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Post by tynimiller on May 2, 2016 8:44:27 GMT -5
As for changing the law to allow Mineral and sadly salt blocks can be used....here is my contention:
-If you are truly attempting to pass or allow mineral sites to not be illegal and your justification is for the health of the herd...than DO NOT allow just simply salt blocks or ANY product consisting of basically salt with a few trace minerals. Most of the "so-called" mineral supplements are just bait in the form of salt that happen to have some other odds and ends thrown in. Not the same in my opinion.
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Post by tynimiller on May 2, 2016 8:45:15 GMT -5
I hunted for the first time ever over bait one hunt in Kansas 2 years back...if you think setting over a bait pile of corn is the same as a food plot sorry you are crazy. Just my personal two cents. This confirms it; I am crazy. Bahaha. I still love ya though Jon, crazy thought I know given how our culture thinks...I can still like you despite not agreeing. #HeadsWillExplode haha!
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on May 2, 2016 8:52:15 GMT -5
This confirms it; I am crazy. Bahaha. I still love ya though Jon, crazy thought I know given how our culture thinks...I can still like you despite not agreeing. #HeadsWillExplode haha! LOL. For me, the difference is that my food plot is 4ac. There are lots of places on my plot that I will not be able to reach with my crossbow. If I were baiting, I'd put it closer to my stand. My biggest concern is that people might take the cheap route, and not plant a plot that feeds them for many months if not all year. My plot was not cheap or easy.
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Post by GS1 on May 2, 2016 9:51:18 GMT -5
Same as a food plot, it attracts game to a specific area, and for the same reason. If they make it legal you don't have to do it if you don't want to. Negative...unless your food plot is a 3ftx3ft plot...that you can control when the food is present and it never get grazed out (you control the food level present)....the list goes on and on. Exactly. Closer than a foodplot would be fruit trees, but even then you have to figure out how to keep them out of reach until you are ready to hunt. I'm going to design a clover that only comes up during the daylight, during season and only when I am hunting. I'm going to get it to go back in the ground 30 minutes after sunset and make it grow enough to per day to support several deer chewing on it at one time.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on May 2, 2016 10:00:43 GMT -5
Negative...unless your food plot is a 3ftx3ft plot...that you can control when the food is present and it never get grazed out (you control the food level present)....the list goes on and on. Exactly. Closer than a foodplot would be fruit trees, but even then you have to figure out how to keep them out of reach until you are ready to hunt. I'm going to design a clover that only comes up during the daylight, during season and only when I am hunting. I'm going to get it to go back in the ground 30 minutes after sunset and make it grow enough to per day to support several deer chewing on it at one time. Are you looking for any investors? LOL
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Post by Woody Williams on May 2, 2016 10:23:20 GMT -5
Negative...unless your food plot is a 3ftx3ft plot...that you can control when the food is present and it never get grazed out (you control the food level present)....the list goes on and on. Exactly. Closer than a foodplot would be fruit trees, but even then you have to figure out how to keep them out of reach until you are ready to hunt. I'm going to design a clover that only comes up during the daylight, during season and only when I am hunting. I'm going to get it to go back in the ground 30 minutes after sunset and make it grow enough to per day to support several deer chewing on it at one time. One if the first deer I ever bow killed was in an old apple orchard in Pennsylvania. In fact I was up in the apple tree..
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