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Post by chewbacca on May 3, 2016 10:04:03 GMT -5
I really don't see what all the fuss is about really,I hunted over a mineral block site for 2 years in Kentucky and there was only 1 time any came in to it and the first year there was very little digging in it the entire season. Even by the next season it wasn't what you'd call humongous. Maybe it just wasn't in a good enough spot or something not sure,but it didn't really help much. Pretty well mirrors my KY experience. We put out some corn a few times here and there and never got anything at them but little deer and not that many, often there would be no deer at the corn. We quit bothering with it and did fine. It's a big deal over nothing as far as I can tell. Don't think I ever shot a deer over a bait pile. Throw an automatic feeder into the mix and that changes everything. A buddy of mine has an automatic feeder and the deer show up about 10 minutes before feeding time just waiting for the food to be ejected from the feeder. They do this for every. single. feeding. Prior to this he was just dumping piles of corn out on the ground and sometimes the piles would be there for 3-5 days but once the deer found it they would devour it all in one night. I'm not sure how I feel about hunting over bait but I definitely think the thought of hunting over an automatic feeder is just ridiculous. Also, there is big difference between a food plot and a bait pile. For one, we all hunt over food plots (corn, bean, hay fields). I've sat on my 80acre bean plot many times and not had deer come within shooting range. If I throw a bait pile/mineral site in that same field I will most certainly have them deer right where I need them. Is it a given that they will show up there once I place the bait pile? No but it is much more likely that they will try to visit that particular spot as long as they know there is additional food there. |
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Post by steiny on May 3, 2016 10:16:07 GMT -5
A pile of shelled corn is pretty darned effective. Keep in in the same spot all of the time, keep it stocked, and the deer will be on it daily.
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Post by boonechaser on May 3, 2016 10:16:17 GMT -5
I supplemental feed on my farm from Dec.1 till Sept.1. Currently running 4 feed stations. I feed a mix of corn and alfalfa pellet's. 3 feeder's are free flow and one with spreader. Go through about 1200 - 1800 lbs per month, with most activity being on very cold days and month of May always see a increase of activity. (Guessing doe's close to birthing ?) One thing for sure the feeders draw all kinds of wildlife. (Deer, turkey, squirrel, raccoon, possum, birds, rabbits etc.) And no I do not hunt after Dec. 1st and I don't turkey hunt.
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Post by MuzzleLoader on May 3, 2016 10:41:05 GMT -5
Throwing this out there. If you supplement feed, use mineral blocks or throw bait in a pile any time before hunting season it's ok.
But to use it during hunting season disease and nose to nose contact becomes a problem?
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Post by boonechaser on May 3, 2016 11:06:52 GMT -5
No offense. I am referring to dumping corn or apples in piles encourages disease IMO. I use enclosed feeder's and my 1 timer puts out a small amount of feed that is consumed in a short period of time. Dumping a large pile of corn, apples or any other feed that can mold and then is consumed is asking for trouble IMO. Had a friend who's neighbor leased his land to people from Alabama. They would buy a dump truck load of apples each year from a orchard bring them to farm and dump in pile's and then hunt over. ( They were turned in to Co), Same with dumping bags of corn on ground then leaving it. First rain is gonna cause molding and again that is a problem for deer. If state made baiting legal not all would use bait with common sense. Does baiting go on now??? LOL. Local tractor supply put's out a product called "Deer Corn" during hunting season each yr. and it fly's off shelf??? Disease certainly can be a factor but is not only reason I am against using bait during hunting season. More a ethical thing with me. Why do you hunt would be my question???
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Post by MuzzleLoader on May 3, 2016 11:17:28 GMT -5
No offense taken. Just wanted to know why it is ok to bait, supplement and minerals at certain times of the year but not others.
Putting a pile of corn or minerals in from of a camera during the summer seems to be accepted to.
There is still nose to nose contact around feeders/mineral sites and especially free feeding stations.
Just more curious than anything.
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Post by boonechaser on May 3, 2016 11:22:23 GMT -5
I would not encourage pouring corn or any other grain feed on ground in bulk at anytime of year. Mineral or salt not as big a issue to me as it would not spoil. Disease can be spread anytime you congregate a large amount of animals in a small area I guess, I was more referring to causing the animals to get sick from consuming spoiled feed.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 12:07:52 GMT -5
I hunt both Ohio and Indiana and Ohio allows baiting. I don't bait because it helps me with bucks. I found over the years the baited areas are mainly young deer and I hunt the deer from the property next to it and been more successful than my neighbor. I just thank him ever year. The bucks stay off the baited site and wait for the deers to go by.
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Post by steiny on May 3, 2016 12:33:45 GMT -5
I don't get the danger of shelled corn dumped on the ground getting bad and causing illness in the deer?
Deer eat the shelled corn that the combine misses weeks and months after it has hit the ground, been rained on, covered in snow, etc. and seem to do just fine.
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Post by tynimiller on May 3, 2016 13:04:29 GMT -5
I hunt both Ohio and Indiana and Ohio allows baiting. I don't bait because it helps me with bucks. I found over the years the baited areas are mainly young deer and I hunt the deer from the property next to it and been more successful than my neighbor. I just thank him ever year. The bucks stay off the baited site and wait for the deers to go by. I concur for the most part. Like I said I have only sat over a bait pile one hunt on a Kansas trip a few years back...felt off and wrong to me personally. However, out there it is common and many mature big bucks fall from feeders or piles. I think it is a pressure thing for the most part. Bait piles on my properties wouldn't do nearly as well as they would in less pressure states. |
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Post by onebentarrow on May 3, 2016 13:04:51 GMT -5
I have read most of the posts in this thread. I see good points and bad points on both sides of the question. To me, trying to look at it with an open mind, it just kind of seams like a have,have not kind of arguement. As in the guy that has the money and time to put in a food plot does not like baiting. The guy that has no time to hunt but has some extra money likes baiting because it increases his chance to take a deer ,ANY deer. The guy that has no money and lots of time does not like baiting because it draws deer from his properity.the guy that has no money or time doesn't really care because there is nothing he can doo about either side anyway. The guy that has land he controls (of a good size) doesent like baiting and the guy that has no land does. I have also noticed that to justify one side of the argument it becomes a my ethics are better/more stringent then yours making my argument better. This does not fly with me. If some one hunts by the rules then his ethics should be just as good as some one that impliments stricter regulations on them self. In a hipothetical situation, if the speed limit is 55 and you drive 45 it does not perticulery make you a better driver it just takes you longer to get from point A TO B.
I my self do not have the extra money or the land available to bait or put in a food plot. If I had my own land I would hope I had the extra money to improve it and put in food plots for YEAR round food sorce. Would I bait, probably not if leagle. But that is just me,and the fact I have land to control. Would I bait now (with out my own land). No. Do I think you should not bait be cause I will not. A sounding NO.
This is a very complex question. With no simple answer. A lot of things need to be considered. The herd,the fiscal health of the heard. The hunters. The availability and time a lot ment the hunters have. Land owners the baiting will happen on. The effect on neighboring land owners (ie over abundance of deer because of baiting and the habit destruction from it.how dependant the deer become on the bait verses being able to fend for them self.
I know it feels good to "help" the critters out in tough times but tough times were designed by mother nature to take care of the sick and old so there is no over population. And the death of one critter is the life of another weather it is human , fured or feathered.
Do I have the answer, No way. I do not have the info available to make any kind of a dicision. But if I did the first thing I would consider is the deer and the over all effect on them. Then I would look at all other things.
This is just my opinion. Thanks for reading and sorry so long winded
Onebentarrowarrow
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on May 3, 2016 13:53:21 GMT -5
I have read most of the posts in this thread. I see good points and bad points on both sides of the question. To me, trying to look at it with an open mind, it just kind of seams like a have,have not kind of arguement. As in the guy that has the money and time to put in a food plot does not like baiting. The guy that has no time to hunt but has some extra money likes baiting because it increases his chance to take a deer ,ANY deer. The guy that has no money and lots of time does not like baiting because it draws deer from his properity.the guy that has no money or time doesn't really care because there is nothing he can doo about either side anyway. The guy that has land he controls (of a good size) doesent like baiting and the guy that has no land does. I have also noticed that to justify one side of the argument it becomes a my ethics are better/more stringent then yours making my argument better. This does not fly with me. If some one hunts by the rules then his ethics should be just as good as some one that impliments stricter regulations on them self. In a hipothetical situation, if the speed limit is 55 and you drive 45 it does not perticulery make you a better driver it just takes you longer to get from point A TO B. I my self do not have the extra money or the land available to bait or put in a food plot. If I had my own land I would hope I had the extra money to improve it and put in food plots for YEAR round food sorce. Would I bait, probably not if leagle. But that is just me,and the fact I have land to control. Would I bait now (with out my own land). No. Do I think you should not bait be cause I will not. A sounding NO. This is a very complex question. With no simple answer. A lot of things need to be considered. The herd,the fiscal health of the heard. The hunters. The availability and time a lot ment the hunters have. Land owners the baiting will happen on. The effect on neighboring land owners (ie over abundance of deer because of baiting and the habit destruction from it.how dependant the deer become on the bait verses being able to fend for them self. I know it feels good to "help" the critters out in tough times but tough times were designed by mother nature to take care of the sick and old so there is no over population. And the death of one critter is the life of another weather it is human , fured or feathered. Do I have the answer, No way. I do not have the info available to make any kind of a dicision. But if I did the first thing I would consider is the deer and the over all effect on them. Then I would look at all other things. This is just my opinion. Thanks for reading and sorry so long winded Onebentarrowarrow Really good points. Absolutely, if I didn't have permission to put in a plot, I would want to bait. If I had my own land, they'd never have to leave it ...but of course they would wonder off. |
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Post by Woody Williams on May 3, 2016 19:34:59 GMT -5
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Post by coyote6974 on May 3, 2016 20:55:45 GMT -5
Should baiting be legal? NO.. Baiting is not fair chase..
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Post by firstwd on May 3, 2016 22:01:48 GMT -5
Should baiting be legal? NO.. Baiting is not fair chase.. Not fair chase for deer, or all animals? |
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Post by nfalls116 on May 3, 2016 22:08:22 GMT -5
I dont think hiding in a tree stand or a ground blind is fair chase...
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Post by greghopper on May 3, 2016 22:18:03 GMT -5
No offense taken. Just wanted to know why it is ok to bait, supplement and minerals at certain times of the year but not others. Putting a pile of corn or minerals in from of a camera during the summer seems to be accepted to. There is still nose to nose contact around feeders/mineral sites and especially free feeding stations. Just more curious than anything. You can feed/bait all year long you just can't hunt over it... It's really that simple..... |
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Post by swilk on May 4, 2016 6:15:13 GMT -5
Considering "over it" is not defined and is left up to an individual's opinion or discretion, no, it is not that simple.
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Post by dbd870 on May 4, 2016 6:26:08 GMT -5
I dont think hiding in a tree stand or a ground blind is fair chase... Exactly; "fair chase" is very subjective - up to what the individual thinks it means. |
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Post by MuzzleLoader on May 4, 2016 7:35:36 GMT -5
Interesting, not only baiting causes problems but supplements and food plots spread disease. |
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