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Post by arlowe13 on Apr 7, 2016 9:22:22 GMT -5
250,000 is probably pretty close, maybe just a tad high. There were 183,000 individual licenses sold in 2014. Say 30% (somewhat of an educated guess) of all hunters are using a landowner license, would bring that number up to 240,000. So yeah, 250,000 is probably accurate.
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Post by deadeer on Apr 7, 2016 10:26:03 GMT -5
Lifetime lic too!
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Post by arlowe13 on Apr 7, 2016 10:31:33 GMT -5
I fairly positive LL were included in the 183k, but I'm not 100%
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Post by boonechaser on Apr 7, 2016 12:18:37 GMT -5
I don't expect a big increase in harvest as I don't think by adding rifles that it will attract new hunter's, some will just choose to hunt with rifles instead of muzzy or shotgun. Probably be slightly higher success rate due to rifles but then again if you weren't a very good shot with shotgun or muzzy you probably won't be that great of a shot with a rifle.
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Post by subzero350 on Apr 7, 2016 12:38:07 GMT -5
Well, I guess the sky is falling. It's true. The sky also fell when crossbows got legalized.
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Post by tynimiller on Apr 7, 2016 12:42:17 GMT -5
I don't expect a big increase in harvest as I don't think by adding rifles that it will attract new hunter's, some will just choose to hunt with rifles instead of muzzy or shotgun. Probably be slightly higher success rate due to rifles but then again if you weren't a very good shot with shotgun or muzzy you probably won't be that great of a shot with a rifle. The more one sits and ponders this I do believe this is accurate, as accurate as speculation can be at best. The stupidity will be intensified I feel for a VERY selective few out there, and I pray none of us deal with them. Otherwise I suspect most folks grabbing HPRs will be just as deadly with them as they were with their HPPistols, Shotties, PCR or muzzleloaders. The type of cartridge fired has never really concerned me much, once I attempted to look at this through unbias glasses.
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Post by subzero350 on Apr 7, 2016 12:45:42 GMT -5
I fail to see how rifles are going to increase the harvest. Just gonna replace a deer that would have been killed via slug into one killed via bullet. Still equals one dead deer. How many Deer have you passed that were out of Range??? I'm speaking for myself But 100 yds is MY comfort Range Any thing passed that was safe For ME I have killed ONE Buck in the last 8 yrs Range the deciding factor in several years my choice not complaining ON my Farm With HPR IF I were to use one EVERY DEER I see could be shot out of 250,000 hunters are going to experience that same thing How many will get that Second or third deer now that range is not a limiting factor ?? The harvest WILL go Up Count on it Field Hunting is the new thing now TheDeer Will not be out of range now you'll see LOTS More Field Kills no I just wonder how many deer each season are shot and wounded but not killed by people using inaccurate weapons? The deer mount in my avatar picture had a 12ga slug embedded in his hide that I found when I was processing him. It was completely scarred over and isolated by fatty tissues so it had been there for some time (years, possibly). I just wonder how much pain he had to endure by being struck by a 12ga slug fired by somebody who either couldn't aim or was using an inaccurate weapon.
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Post by esshup on Apr 7, 2016 18:25:31 GMT -5
I don't expect a big increase in harvest as I don't think by adding rifles that it will attract new hunter's, some will just choose to hunt with rifles instead of muzzy or shotgun. Probably be slightly higher success rate due to rifles but then again if you weren't a very good shot with shotgun or muzzy you probably won't be that great of a shot with a rifle. A guy that I know is buying his son a .243 so he can hunt. He's small framed, and is bothered by recoil.
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Post by jjas on Apr 7, 2016 18:30:58 GMT -5
I don't expect a big increase in harvest as I don't think by adding rifles that it will attract new hunter's, some will just choose to hunt with rifles instead of muzzy or shotgun. Probably be slightly higher success rate due to rifles but then again if you weren't a very good shot with shotgun or muzzy you probably won't be that great of a shot with a rifle. A guy that I know is buying his son a .243 so he can hunt. He's small framed, and is bothered by recoil. You might suggest he check into these loads from Hornady... www.hornady.com/store/243-Win-87-gr-SST-Custom-Lite/
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Post by esshup on Apr 7, 2016 18:51:44 GMT -5
Thanks! I will. If he can't find any, I'll do some loading for his boy.
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Post by savagehead on Apr 7, 2016 19:04:39 GMT -5
They may have visions of long range deer sniping dancing around in their heads but the reality of field conditions will keep them in check. A shot at 300 yds in field conditions is very demanding and a whole lot different than setting at a bench and punching paper at 100 yds.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Apr 7, 2016 21:42:50 GMT -5
They may have visions of long range deer sniping dancing around in their heads but the reality of field conditions will keep them in check. A shot at 300 yds in field conditions is very demanding and a whole lot different than setting at a bench and punching paper at 100 yds. Very true. A lot of guys unfamiliar with 200+ yard shooting are going to get a reality check.
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Post by jjas on Apr 7, 2016 22:12:10 GMT -5
Thanks! I will. If he can't find any, I'll do some loading for his boy. Basspro sells them.
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Post by deadeer on Apr 8, 2016 0:20:54 GMT -5
They may have visions of long range deer sniping dancing around in their heads but the reality of field conditions will keep them in check. A shot at 300 yds in field conditions is very demanding and a whole lot different than setting at a bench and punching paper at 100 yds. Very true. A lot of guys unfamiliar with 200+ yard shooting are going to get a reality check. I have taken a few guys to a local range that say they have shot 300yd. When they see the 200yd range they say it looks a mile. So reality prevails like usual.
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Post by M4Madness on Apr 8, 2016 17:20:28 GMT -5
I bet the kill this next season will be less than last. No way, this is the earliest possible opening date for gun season. The 2017 season will be down with the latest opening date possible. Are we talking full season totals? Below are the total harvests for each year, with the November firearms season opening date in parentheses: 1987 51,778 (14) 1988 60,234 (19) 1989 79,318 (18) 1990 88,763 (17) 1991 98,683 (16) 1992 95,314 (14) 1993 101,214 (13) 1994 112,416 (19) 1995 117,729 (18) 1996 123,086 (16) 1997 104,937 (15) 1998 100,461 (14) 1999 99,618 (13) 2000 98,725 (18) 2001 103,163 (17) 2002 104428 (16) 2003 106,986 (15) 2004 123,058 (13) 2005 125,526 (19) 2006 125,381 (18) 2007 124,427 (17) 2008 129,748 (15) 2009 132,431 (14) 2010 134,004 (13) 2011 129,018 (19) 2012 136,248 (17) 2013 125,635 (16) 2014 120,073 (15) On three occasions, when going from earliest firearms opener one year to the latest the next year, the overall harvest actually increased: 1987 to 1988 1993 to 1994 2004 to 2005
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Post by sakorifle on Apr 8, 2016 17:39:05 GMT -5
greetings Two hundred yards a long way? yes it is. This morning i seen three does and one buck, i ranged the buck at 255 yds. i got set up got the job weighed up in my head then i took the rifle down and did not even think of doing it. Have i done it before more times than i can remember, so why not this morning. simple i was not happy, too much wind, deer not standing perfect and i did not feel good in my head about the shot. So best thing to do is forget it and try another day, next day he may be 100 yards away or condition could be better. At 250 with the tikka i have to put the horizontal line right along the ridge of his back to drop it into the shoulder, its a long way when one sets off walking to pick it up. Gonna be a lot of wonder why i missed that, if folk are not used to it. regards Billy
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Post by esshup on Apr 8, 2016 18:55:50 GMT -5
Billy, that's exactly why I think there will be a lot of misses this coming year. Just like others have said, without sufficient range time there is no way that they can have the proficiency to shoot any distance. Also, how many have range finders to accurately gauge distance?
For me, the biggest problem is not the distance, it's gauging the wind, and how far the bullet will drift.
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Post by dbd870 on Apr 9, 2016 6:16:02 GMT -5
It's just like any other type of shooting or anything else; if you want to be proficient you have to put in the practice time. I'm good from the bench out to 500yds.....on a calm day. I have come to appreciate mil dots and B&C reticles. I've killed them out to 300yds in KY, however I'm not taking long shots in high wind. Hopefully people new to HPR's will do a little shooting and learn the lessons.
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Post by firstwd on Apr 9, 2016 13:51:07 GMT -5
It's just like any other type of shooting or anything else; if you want to be proficient you have to put in the practice time. I'm good from the bench out to 500yds.....on a calm day. I have come to appreciate mil dots and B&C reticles. I've killed them out to 300yds in KY, however I'm not taking long shots in high wind. Hopefully people new to HPR's will do a little shooting and learn the lessons. I have a feeling a lot of humble pie will be served up this fall.
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Post by sakorifle on Apr 9, 2016 19:18:02 GMT -5
Greetings Yes biggest bother is wind, I cheat if I have time I measure it with a kesterel meter. I also always wait until the animal turns so that it's blowing from its backside to its shoulder then if I get it wrong it's still dead instead of being gut shot. Also another thing I do is move myself round until the wind is directly in my face then it's a straight enough shot Or like the other day just forget it. 1.15am here been out foxing, seen nothing tonight time for bed. Good night lol Billy.
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