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Post by hornzilla on Apr 6, 2016 15:43:26 GMT -5
The sky isn't falling. It didn't fall when we went from long bows to recurve to compound to crossbow. Or from flintlock to percussion to shotguns to inline muzzleloaders to PCR to the HPR. It's change, it happens everyday. The great thing about this is no one is forced to make the change. You can still hunt with what ever floats your boat. Grab whatever makes you happy and hit the woods. Nothing has changed for you unless you want to try the new HPR's.
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Post by duff on Apr 6, 2016 16:45:13 GMT -5
That is it, exactly. Couldn't state it any better
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Post by trapperdave on Apr 6, 2016 18:50:53 GMT -5
I fail to see how rifles are going to increase the harvest. Just gonna replace a deer that would have been killed via slug into one killed via bullet. Still equals one dead deer.
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Post by throbak on Apr 6, 2016 19:20:54 GMT -5
I fail to see how rifles are going to increase the harvest. Just gonna replace a deer that would have been killed via slug into one killed via bullet. Still equals one dead deer. How many Deer have you passed that were out of Range??? I'm speaking for myself But 100 yds is MY comfort Range Any thing passed that was safe For ME I have killed ONE Buck in the last 8 yrs Range the deciding factor in several years my choice not complaining ON my Farm With HPR IF I were to use one EVERY DEER I see could be shot out of 250,000 hunters are going to experience that same thing How many will get that Second or third deer now that range is not a limiting factor ?? The harvest WILL go Up Count on it Field Hunting is the new thing now TheDeer Will not be out of range now you'll see LOTS More Field Kills no
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 6, 2016 19:27:37 GMT -5
Deer kill can be limited the same way it has been in the past - by just allowing X amount of permits.. Hunting tools have little to do with that..
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Post by M4Madness on Apr 6, 2016 19:38:04 GMT -5
I bet the kill this next season will be less than last.
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Post by js2397 on Apr 6, 2016 19:50:25 GMT -5
I bet the kill this next season will be less than last. No way, this is the earliest possible opening date for gun season. The 2017 season will be down with the latest opening date possible.
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Post by M4Madness on Apr 6, 2016 20:03:02 GMT -5
I bet the kill this next season will be less than last. No way, this is the earliest possible opening date for gun season. The 2017 season will be down with the latest opening date possible. If it is up this year, it won't be due to HPR's. I still stand by my prediction, right or wrong...
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 6, 2016 20:06:12 GMT -5
No way, this is the earliest possible opening date for gun season. The 2017 season will be down with the latest opening date possible. If it is up this year, it won't be due to HPR's. I still stand by my prediction, right or wrong... Barring an outbreak of EHD I think it will be up again this year. HPRs or no HPRs..
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Post by M4Madness on Apr 6, 2016 20:24:48 GMT -5
If it is up this year, it won't be due to HPR's. I still stand by my prediction, right or wrong... Barring an outbreak of EHD I think it will be up again this year. HPRs or no HPRs.. What will the naysayers say if we have another harvest topping the previous one? Lol!
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Apr 6, 2016 20:36:59 GMT -5
I don't think I've ever had to pass on a buck in Indiana that was out of gun range.. Don't plan on starting either Seriously though, just because a rifle is accurate at 500 yards doesn't mean the average shooter can hit the broadside of a barn at 200. I don't expect rifles to increase the harvest by much.
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Post by firstwd on Apr 6, 2016 21:28:13 GMT -5
The vast majority of HPR users will be those of us who already own and are in some way proficient with them. The opening day Eve guys at Walmart may have a rude awakening trying to get ammunition.
Honestly, I think it's time to stop playing wall Street big wig, or news personality trying to be the first to predict the future. We have a trial period, we need to do the trial to see the results.
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Post by esshup on Apr 6, 2016 23:47:48 GMT -5
I've passed both bucks and does that were in range of the weapon that I had in my hand at the time, and I've also wanted to shoot does that were out of range of the weapon that I had in my hand at that time.
As for the herd being decimated, I just don't see it happening. That's why they have bag limits. If the DNR didn't think the herd could survive a certain bag limit, then I think they would reduce it. How much (percentage wise) did the harvest increase when they allowed crossbows for all archers? How much did the harvest increase (percentage wise) when they added the late antlerless firearms season?
Worst case, there is a huge harvest of deer next year. It's still a OBR state, so it has to be an excessive harvest of does. O.K. So that happens. Next year the DNR says "Due to the harvest in 2016, there will be no bonus doe permits available except in urban areas."
So we go back to the bag limits of the '70's for a few years. So what?
I'd be willing to bet that Indiana saw more deer die from disease in the past year than the hunting take will increase in 2016 due to the new legal calibers.
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Post by freedomhunter on Apr 7, 2016 4:05:53 GMT -5
I fail to see how rifles are going to increase the harvest. Just gonna replace a deer that would have been killed via slug into one killed via bullet. Still equals one dead deer. How many Deer have you passed that were out of Range??? I'm speaking for myself But 100 yds is MY comfort Range Any thing passed that was safe For ME I have killed ONE Buck in the last 8 yrs Range the deciding factor in several years my choice not complaining ON my Farm With HPR IF I were to use one EVERY DEER I see could be shot out of 250,000 hunters are going to experience that same thing How many will get that Second or third deer now that range is not a limiting factor ?? The harvest WILL go Up Count on it Field Hunting is the new thing now TheDeer Will not be out of range now you'll see LOTS More Field Kills no I can't ever remember shooting a deer more than 70 yards away. I know of one field in Parke County that I used hunt that the Amish will slay the deer herd at distance. Glad I don't hunt there anymore.
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Post by sakorifle on Apr 7, 2016 6:36:53 GMT -5
Weapons i hear people call there rifles weapons. It is my pet hate, sorry folks but i do not own a weapon i have no battle guns, and all i have is proper stalking rifles, tools of my trade i intend hurting no one therefore as far as i am concerned it is not a weapon. Neither is my pen, fire poker or my frying pan, i do get a four pack of baked beans when i go to the supermarket just in case the nasties decide to come in at least i can throw them at them, saying that i now have 22 tins of baked beans in the cudboard at home. lol Boys are going crazy at me. regards Billy.
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 7, 2016 6:44:57 GMT -5
Barring an outbreak of EHD I think it will be up again this year. HPRs or no HPRs.. What will the naysayers say if we have another harvest topping the previous one? Lol! "We are killing too many"? One poster on FB said "WE cant just keep killing 100,000+ every year and expect to not kill them off." I pointed out we have been killing that many for over 20 years and they aren't extinct yet...
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Post by trapperdave on Apr 7, 2016 6:56:32 GMT -5
I fail to see how rifles are going to increase the harvest. Just gonna replace a deer that would have been killed via slug into one killed via bullet. Still equals one dead deer. How many Deer have you passed that were out of Range??? I'm speaking for myself But 100 yds is MY comfort Range Any thing passed that was safe For ME I have killed ONE Buck in the last 8 yrs Range the deciding factor in several years my choice not complaining ON my Farm With HPR IF I were to use one EVERY DEER I see could be shot out of 250,000 hunters are going to experience that same thing How many will get that Second or third deer now that range is not a limiting factor ?? The harvest WILL go Up Count on it Field Hunting is the new thing now TheDeer Will not be out of range now you'll see LOTS More Field Kills no So I kill one today instead of tomorrow. It wouldn't change my yearly total deer harvest.....just shorten my season I get my deer every year. Off the same twenty acres in a 300 deer/year county. If not with bow then with a muzzle loader.
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Post by swilk on Apr 7, 2016 6:58:38 GMT -5
250,000 deer hunters? Cant be .... lol.
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Post by greghopper on Apr 7, 2016 7:58:14 GMT -5
250,000 deer hunters? Cant be .... lol. More or less in your eyes?
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Post by swilk on Apr 7, 2016 8:36:52 GMT -5
250,000 is the number ive always heard and believe to be fairly accurate.
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