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Post by bullseye on Feb 23, 2016 22:18:23 GMT -5
I think it is pathetic that for the price of a wopper sandwich that people would not support buying a license that would bring in much needed state and federal funds to support wildlife and the management of. Everyone today is sponging off of sportsmen of the past. Imagine if we would have never reintroduced deer and turkey and other species that we now have the opportunity to hunt and see. I guarantee there would be no demand for canned deer hunts and leasing in Indiana if deer were not reintroduced. We have the second coming of the privatization of wildlife and the mentality that destroyed it and the opportunity we all have enjoyed. I am glad my fathers generation were not so greedy as we are today. Of course they had to actually go and fight for this country. It's not about being greedy to me, it's about the way the tax issues are going. Not sure how old you are but if your father's generation was some time ago let's look at the small taxes that have been added since then. Ones that come to my mind are the tire tax on our cars, food and beverage tax to build two football stadiums, sales tax increases (think I remember when if was 4%), fuel taxes, etc. A whopper might be cheap, but multiple whoppers get expensive.
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Post by tazwolf on Feb 23, 2016 22:20:39 GMT -5
If they want more licensee why not open up the lifetime licenses again I am and I know alot of people wish they got them. As a Landowner and hunter I still buy a license to hunt other grounds But to pay to hunt my own ground no
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Post by firstwd on Feb 23, 2016 22:22:08 GMT -5
How about the DNR charge the insurance companies $24 for each and every car/deer accident. In a way that is property damage. Damage to our natural resources. A stretch I know, but could bring in massive $$ Charge them the same $500 that poachers get fined.
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Post by throbak on Feb 23, 2016 22:31:03 GMT -5
No one in particular Span , I just don't think a lot understand how it works Like I liked the term user fee nothing's free We have already paid the Tax ! And with PR it's very specific on how you get it and how it's used Seem like most think it's a bad idea . That's really too bad Somethings I just don't understand
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Post by mitchell56 on Feb 23, 2016 22:44:35 GMT -5
No I feel I pay taxes on my land I feed all wildlife on my land even put large food plots out to keep healthy wildlife . Now state want to charge me maybe I should have the right to charge the state for keep there wildlife healthy and well fed
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Post by cptmclark on Feb 23, 2016 23:05:22 GMT -5
As a matter of principle, the federal government has no right taxing our sporting goods in the first place. Firearms are protected from such infringement by the constitution as I read it.
As I read the proposal, we volunteer to have the federal government tax us more. Then they manage the money they tax from us (the worst money managers on earth) and decide to give some ov our money back.
What percentage of what they take from us comes back to Indiana? Very little. We are being taxed to own weapons, even hunting weapons. You suggest we offer to give more taxes, in an area where they have no right to tax.
I'm sure you mean well, but to give the Feds (even indirectly) bone dime to hunt on my own land with a weapon they've already taken money from me just to own it seems nuts to me.
I understand there is more to it than what I raise, but I'm taxed enough already.. It's a matter of principle, and I hold this one close.
Thanks for asking my opinion..
And I'm a landowner, but it wouldn't matter. Taxes are everybody's business.
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Post by bullseye69 on Feb 23, 2016 23:25:15 GMT -5
Does anyone know how many licenses were actually sold in 2015. I see the total kills but that does count the ones that ate tag soup.
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Post by mikedole on Feb 23, 2016 23:56:18 GMT -5
I believe most landowners contribute far more to conserve the wildlife that live on there property than the hunters who purchase a license from the state. I do not believe that they should be penalized if the would like to take an animal from there own property, But, in saying that, if they are hunters it is most likely they hunt other places besides there own property which already requires them to purchase a license making this a moot point.
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Post by hoosierquest on Feb 24, 2016 0:20:21 GMT -5
No, it is already a scam that I will never own this property as I will have to continue to pay a pretty hefty property tax every year even though I own it outright. I buy a license every year anyway along with a fishing license, deer bundle, bird stamps etc.
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Post by dadfsr on Feb 24, 2016 6:31:26 GMT -5
Okay...someplace in here I'm getting confused-are these PR funds distributed for each license or tag sold, irregardless of who buys them? OR is the state supposed to get a set amount of funds based on EACH person that buys a tag?? I know I'm in the IDNR system and can find myself via birthdate and/or ID# or SOC #....
In other words do we get the same amount of PR funds if Joe Blow just buys a fishing license or does the state get more if he buys a fishing/hunting license combo??....and even more funds if he decides to buy a turkey tag on top of the combo license???
As quite a few landowners here have stated-they still buy some form of license because they don't JUST hunt/fish on their land....if these PR funds are supposedly handed on back a per person basis then these landowners(that still buy licenses) are already paying THE tax!
Once again, this whole poll may be almost moot if a major portion of these landowners already pay for some type of license anyway!
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Post by Buck's Pro Mount Taxidermy on Feb 24, 2016 7:13:15 GMT -5
Why should they be exempt? The state owns the deer not the landowner We feed those state owned deer. When the state reimburses that cost....and the taxes for the woods those state owned deer live in, we'll talk. Very true. Also as said by other posters, we landowners do not always hunt our own land. So with that being said we would be purchasing a license and also be paying an extra $3.75 that non landowners are not paying. As landowners I believe we do plenty extra for conservation that we deserve to harvest a deer or turkey that we are feeding.
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Post by throbak on Feb 24, 2016 7:19:50 GMT -5
It's set up you only get counted one time ,Fishing license get funds from a similar tax called Dingell /Johnson We Sportsmen Ask the Government to tax us . Read the post on the Landowner connections.! In the campfire
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Post by kevinhgraham1 on Feb 24, 2016 7:21:30 GMT -5
Land owners people with life time license should not pay anything. If DNR needs more revenue, then go back to selling life time licenses. I would love to buy them for my boys. Increase the cost of out of state licenses. It isn't about the $3.75. Its about the fine if land owners dont buy it. Just saying! Thanks. Kevin Graham
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Post by greghopper on Feb 24, 2016 7:55:26 GMT -5
Okay...someplace in here I'm getting confused-are these PR funds distributed for each license or tag sold, irregardless of who buys them? OR is the state supposed to get a set amount of funds based on EACH person that buys a tag?? I know I'm in the IDNR system and can find myself via birthdate and/or ID# or SOC #.... In other words do we get the same amount of PR funds if Joe Blow just buys a fishing license or does the state get more if he buys a fishing/hunting license combo??....and even more funds if he decides to buy a turkey tag on top of the combo license??? As quite a few landowners here have stated-they still buy some form of license because they don't JUST hunt/fish on their land....if these PR funds are supposedly handed on back a per person basis then these landowners(that still buy licenses) are already paying THE tax! Once again, this whole poll may be almost moot if a major portion of these landowners already pay for some type of license anyway! Exactly ..... I would be a large part of land owners buy some type of OTC hunting tag and are already being counted!!!
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Post by bruce drake on Feb 24, 2016 8:08:45 GMT -5
I voted no as a non-farmer who lives in the city. I am afraid the $3.75 would not be utilized properly and it would eventually become an additional tax on the land-owner for the right to hunt on his own property. There should be a way for the farmers who request harvest permits to be counted towards the total count for the tax credits from the Federal government without having to pay into the program.
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 24, 2016 8:47:52 GMT -5
A license fee to hunt IS NOT a tax...nor will it ever be. Also, for everyone that keeps bringing up property taxes...it is the price one pays for owning ground which we all know (despite hate ). I personally am placing a down payment on land this Friday and will close in March....I understand property taxes are part of it, and I know they aren't cheap...however if one truly wants to lower their personal tax burdens there are things you can do. Leasing out fields to farmers is a great way to have your property assessed at Indiana Agricultural land rates, which is FAR FAR FAR under market value across much of the state. Don't want to lease it? Look into the designations like Classified Forests/DNR ground/Stewardship plans....some of these involve some leg work, and yes some you do not want to do if you think you may sell it as there are some taxes you then would have to pay upon selling (substantial) however some simply move your land from regular residential excess ground to agricultural rates which would lower your assessed value which taxes are applied (and adjust the tax cap you fall into). The sad thing though about being BLESSED with land is there is a tax cost...but I know if this land deal closes for me and that deed is in my hand I will cry with joy. I've always wanted a piece of God's creation and understand all the things that come with it good and bad (the good far exceed the bad).
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 24, 2016 8:49:50 GMT -5
If you enforce a landowner hunting license...I think it would be something to consider offering just landowners a lifetime "Landowner License" like $25 or whatever and it is a one time thing like the old Lifetime Licenses were...which I am so thankful I have!
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Post by sharps45120 on Feb 24, 2016 9:29:04 GMT -5
I am willing to pay a little more if it will help. What I would like to see is the state limit the landowner to one a year per person. Large families use landowner tags to just kill everything, that hurts the others around them. I have a neighbor that killed four last year as landowner than gave three away. If you just want to kill it should cost you.
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Post by GS1 on Feb 24, 2016 9:32:21 GMT -5
Wouldn't the $3.75 to the state get around $50 P-R money from the federal government?
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Post by swilk on Feb 24, 2016 9:46:18 GMT -5
A license fee to hunt IS NOT a tax...nor will it ever be. Also, for everyone that keeps bringing up property taxes...it is the price one pays for owning ground which we all know (despite hate ). I personally am placing a down payment on land this Friday and will close in March....I understand property taxes are part of it, and I know they aren't cheap...however if one truly wants to lower their personal tax burdens there are things you can do. Leasing out fields to farmers is a great way to have your property assessed at Indiana Agricultural land rates, which is FAR FAR FAR under market value across much of the state. Don't want to lease it? Look into the designations like Classified Forests/DNR ground/Stewardship plans....some of these involve some leg work, and yes some you do not want to do if you think you may sell it as there are some taxes you then would have to pay upon selling (substantial) however some simply move your land from regular residential excess ground to agricultural rates which would lower your assessed value which taxes are applied (and adjust the tax cap you fall into). The sad thing though about being BLESSED with land is there is a tax cost...but I know if this land deal closes for me and that deed is in my hand I will cry with joy. I've always wanted a piece of God's creation and understand all the things that come with it good and bad (the good far exceed the bad). Anytime the govt or one of its agencies, federal, state or local, charges you something it is a tax in my mind. If this is about scamming the system to gain an extra $50 per "additional licensed hunter" for the state what is wrong with the idea of peeling the front end funds from property taxes?
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