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Post by nfalls116 on Feb 24, 2016 9:46:47 GMT -5
No I feel I pay taxes on my land I feed all wildlife on my land even put large food plots out to keep healthy wildlife . Now state want to charge me maybe I should have the right to charge the state for keep there wildlife healthy and well fed no... You are doing it for personal gain.
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Post by throbak on Feb 24, 2016 10:11:56 GMT -5
Wouldn't the $3.75 to the state get around $50 P-R money from the federal government? Thats right ;;;;; we have to have a drivers licence after we buy a car and then Plate it every year maybe we shouldn't be paying that fee ?? We own the car why pay for the Roads HMMMM
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 24, 2016 10:33:03 GMT -5
Anytime the govt or one of its agencies, federal, state or local, charges you something it is a tax in my mind. If this is about scamming the system to gain an extra $50 per "additional licensed hunter" for the state what is wrong with the idea of peeling the front end funds from property taxes? I can see that if that view is held, completely understand. I wouldn't be against peeling it back, but what would they have to do notify the Auditor to place the "Hunter Stamp" on their taxes?
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Post by steiny on Feb 24, 2016 10:44:42 GMT -5
How about lifetime license holders are required to buy a $3.75 tag for each deer, as well as a tag for small game. It's still a bargain compared to the $24 tags those without lifetime licenses pay. That way guys that kill 3-4 deer every year on the lifetime, put our name in the hat 3-4 times for PR funds.
Just kidding ...... this would be total BS too.
If you feel so strongly about the DNR needing more money, send them a check. Don't ask for another mandatory "tax" to be forced on the other guy.
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Post by GS1 on Feb 24, 2016 10:51:18 GMT -5
If this is about scamming the system to gain an extra $50 per "additional licensed hunter" for the state.... That is exactly what it is. I used a landowner license from the time I outgrew a youth license until I purchased my lifetime license. I always looked at it as more of a privilege instead of a right. I never felt that I was entitled to hunt for free because my family owned ground. I guess my wife could hunt our ground now without a license also. Some keep saying that the state is loosing the P-R funds to other states. How is that? How are they getting the money? Do they require landowners to purchase hunting licenses? Do they offer a minimum license ($3.75) for landowners to purchase? Do they offer a better outdoor experience and have more hunters buying a license? Even though a $3.75 investment will lead to a $50 +/- return for the state, I don't see it being the extremely large amount of money that some claim since most landowners already purchase some kind of license. Any way you cut it, it is still only $3.75.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 24, 2016 10:59:12 GMT -5
Poll results as of 2-24-2016 at 9:50 AM CST.. Landowners NO – 53 (65.4%) Yes (mandatory) – 17 (21%) Yes (voluntary) -11 (13.6%) Non-LandownersNo – 9 (28.1%) Yes (mandatory) – 15 (46.9%) Yes (voluntary) – 8 (25%) CombinedNo – 62 (54.9%) Yes (mandatory) - 32 (28.3%) Yes (voluntary) – 19 (16.8%)
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Post by jb1069 on Feb 24, 2016 11:21:01 GMT -5
If every $3.75 investment returns $46.25 then why doesn't the state up the money? Take out the $2.75 for the administrative costs and they still are left with a $43.50 gain. Easy money. Send the license to all the landowners paid for.
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Post by kevin1 on Feb 24, 2016 11:41:25 GMT -5
No, as a LL holder I'm already contributing, and my property taxes contribute as well. Take the IDNR budget out of the general fund if you want more available revenue, but keep your hands out of my pocket.
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Post by hatchetjack on Feb 24, 2016 12:00:34 GMT -5
If every $3.75 investment returns $46.25 then why doesn't the state up the money? Take out the $2.75 for the administrative costs and they still are left with a $43.50 gain. Easy money. Send the license to all the landowners paid for. It doesn't work that way. The state receives the Pittman-Robertson money (~$50 this year) for each certified hunter not for each $3.75 collected. I'm a non-landowner but I don't see this having much of a chance and don't feel it's fair to the landowners we all depend on. Jack
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 24, 2016 12:09:19 GMT -5
If every $3.75 investment returns $46.25 then why doesn't the state up the money? Take out the $2.75 for the administrative costs and they still are left with a $43.50 gain. Easy money. Send the license to all the landowners paid for. It doesn't work that way. The state receives the Pittman-Robertson money (~$50 this year) for each certified hunter not for each $3.75 collected. I'm a non-landowner but I don't see this having much of a chance and don't feel it's fair to the landowners we all depend on. Jack The only way I see it flying is on a voluntary basis . Landowners opt in or out on their own...
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Post by jb1069 on Feb 24, 2016 12:13:32 GMT -5
Jack, I understand there is more to it than how I explained it. But my point being if this is such a great deal for the state then as the state I think there are options on how the state can get these registered hunters on the list without coming back to the well. I agree with you. They pay more than their share for the benefits of wildlife we all receive.
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Post by firstwd on Feb 24, 2016 12:15:49 GMT -5
Or the legislature picks up the idea and simply does away with all licenses exemptions.
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Post by swilk on Feb 24, 2016 12:25:49 GMT -5
Anytime the govt or one of its agencies, federal, state or local, charges you something it is a tax in my mind. If this is about scamming the system to gain an extra $50 per "additional licensed hunter" for the state what is wrong with the idea of peeling the front end funds from property taxes? I can see that if that view is held, completely understand. I wouldn't be against peeling it back, but what would they have to do notify the Auditor to place the "Hunter Stamp" on their taxes? A simple checkbox on their property taxes. I think there's one similar on our federal and or state taxes now asking if you want to donate to a certain cause. Same kind of thing.... Or just pull it from all property owners. Technically every single one of them is a licensed hunter if they so choose to be. I mean we are trying to game the system, right?
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 24, 2016 12:47:09 GMT -5
Or the legislature picks up the idea and simply does away with all licenses exemptions. What? The legislature get involved in game regulations involving license? It would never happen...
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 24, 2016 12:47:53 GMT -5
Or the legislature picks up the idea and simply does away with all licenses exemptions. What? The legislature get involved in game regulations? It would never happen... And if they did the Farm Bureau would smack their hands....
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Post by tmcclintic on Feb 24, 2016 12:58:50 GMT -5
I will chime in and say my thoughts are consistent with fellow landowners. I oppose any tax to hunt on my own land, even a symbolic one. Over 10 years ago, I decided to take a lifelong hunting passion into my own hands and to sacrifice lots of other things (time/work/money), so I could have a place to hunt, a chance to manage wildlife to a degree, and the opportunity to do what ever I wanted to do (within the laws of the state). I am now up to 310 acres and I happily spend thousands each year for the privilege to own ground and the chance to better the herd that lives and travels through my land. My family takes maybe 5 deer a year ( with landowner tags) and friends take maybe another 5 a year with licenses. I have property within less than a mile of State Ground. Deer get killed there that we feed and let walk and that is just part of it. I am a lucky person, and in my opinion the private landowner does more for wildlife in total than the State could ever do. Don't tax the people who help everyone the most....
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Post by trapperdave on Feb 24, 2016 18:49:05 GMT -5
A license fee to hunt IS NOT a tax...nor will it ever be. Also, for everyone that keeps bringing up property taxes...it is the price one pays for owning ground which we all know (despite hate ). I personally am placing a down payment on land this Friday and will close in March....I understand property taxes are part of it, and I know they aren't cheap...however if one truly wants to lower their personal tax burdens there are things you can do. Leasing out fields to farmers is a great way to have your property assessed at Indiana Agricultural land rates, which is FAR FAR FAR under market value across much of the state. Don't want to lease it? Look into the designations like Classified Forests/DNR ground/Stewardship plans....some of these involve some leg work, and yes some you do not want to do if you think you may sell it as there are some taxes you then would have to pay upon selling (substantial) however some simply move your land from regular residential excess ground to agricultural rates which would lower your assessed value which taxes are applied (and adjust the tax cap you fall into). The sad thing though about being BLESSED with land is there is a tax cost...but I know if this land deal closes for me and that deed is in my hand I will cry with joy. I've always wanted a piece of God's creation and understand all the things that come with it good and bad (the good far exceed the bad). When you lease out your farm ground (as I do) guess what, you're taxed for that too! So you pay property tax PLUS income tax for leasing it out. And to let you know, it has to be taxed as ag land to get the license exemption.
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Post by sighton on Feb 24, 2016 18:59:28 GMT -5
I am a land owner and purchase a annual hunting and fishing license to hunt anc fish off my property, why should I have to pay
Again hunt my own land?
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Post by firstwd on Feb 24, 2016 19:22:57 GMT -5
OK. Think about this. This license would be for landowners that exclusively hunt their own property. If they but a statewide license, then they are already covered and wouldn't need this license.
Look at it this way. If this $3.75 annual license covered everything like the youth combo license does, would it still be such a big issue? Remember, several states require landowners to but all licenses even if they do hunt their own land exclusively.
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 24, 2016 21:07:01 GMT -5
A license fee to hunt IS NOT a tax...nor will it ever be. Also, for everyone that keeps bringing up property taxes...it is the price one pays for owning ground which we all know (despite hate ). I personally am placing a down payment on land this Friday and will close in March....I understand property taxes are part of it, and I know they aren't cheap...however if one truly wants to lower their personal tax burdens there are things you can do. Leasing out fields to farmers is a great way to have your property assessed at Indiana Agricultural land rates, which is FAR FAR FAR under market value across much of the state. Don't want to lease it? Look into the designations like Classified Forests/DNR ground/Stewardship plans....some of these involve some leg work, and yes some you do not want to do if you think you may sell it as there are some taxes you then would have to pay upon selling (substantial) however some simply move your land from regular residential excess ground to agricultural rates which would lower your assessed value which taxes are applied (and adjust the tax cap you fall into). The sad thing though about being BLESSED with land is there is a tax cost...but I know if this land deal closes for me and that deed is in my hand I will cry with joy. I've always wanted a piece of God's creation and understand all the things that come with it good and bad (the good far exceed the bad). When you lease out your farm ground (as I do) guess what, you're taxed for that too! So you pay property tax PLUS income tax for leasing it out. And to let you know, it has to be taxed as ag land to get the license exemption. Yes income is taxed and yes I know the ground must be assessed agricultural to have landowner exemption from license fee.
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