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Post by subzero350 on Feb 23, 2016 20:06:34 GMT -5
Another option needs to be added to the poll:
Mandatory for all hunters
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Post by HillBillyJeff on Feb 23, 2016 20:06:44 GMT -5
$3.75 people... It's not like the proposition is for money that could lead to anything substantial Over 100 years that would be $375... Many people waste that much on soda pop everyday If you drink soda, I assume you like it. So if you are spending your 3.75 on consumer goods such as soda pop, it isn't a waste.
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Post by gop1962 on Feb 23, 2016 20:13:47 GMT -5
We are all aware that the Federal Government distributes funds through the Pittman–Robertson Act of 11% excise tax on firearms, ammunition and archery equipment. The money is kept separate and is given to the Secretary of the Interior to distribute to the States. The Secretary determines how much to give to each state based on a formula that takes into account both the area of the state and its number of licensed hunters. These States must fulfill certain requirements to use the money apportioned to them. None of the money from their hunting license sales may be used by anyone other than the State’s fish and game department. Which brings us to this – In the state of Indiana the only hunters that are exempt from buying a hunting license are the landowners and their immediate live in family members hunting their own land, leasees that farm that ground and members of the military home on leave. It has been suggested that if the exempt landowners and farming leasees would purchase a minimal priced hunting license to hunt their own ground that the IDNR could acquire more of the P-R funds. The minimal price would have to be $3.75 to satisfy the operating cost ($2.75) and the profit required by the P-R of $1 to acquire the P-R monies. The number of hunting landowners and farming leasees are unknown, but estimates say the number could be considerable. There is no doubt that the IDNR is hurting badly for operating funds and could certainly use a boost in the P-R funds. So the question of the day is – In order for the IDNR to get more of the P-R funds for operate with, do you believe that the state should require or have a voluntary basis of a $3.75 hunting license for exempt landowners and farming leasees to hunt their own land? This poll asks that very question. We would like as much participation as possible. The question is stated there is - Would you be in favor of a $3.75 hunting license for the present license exempt landowners and farming leasees?
YES – Mandatory (landowner) YES – Mandatory (non-landowner) YES –Voluntary (landowner) YES –Voluntary (non-landowner) NO – (landowner) NO – (non-landowner) NO OPINION Thanks for your help.. Woody Williams Supporting information….HARVEST BY LICENSE STATUS Licensed resident hunters (Lifetime, Resident, and Youth license holders) accounted for 83% of the total deer harvest, while licensed nonresidents represented 3.5% of the total harvest (Table 4). Hunters who purchased regular annual deer hunting licenses (resident plus non-resident) took only 55% of the total deer harvest; other individuals using discounted licenses or exemptions (i.e., Lifetime license holders, Youth license holders, landowners/tenants, and active-duty military personnel) took 45% of the total harvest. Landowners and lessees who hunted on their own land without a license and military personnel on official leave status ac-counted for around 14% of the total deer harvest. Of the deer harvested by license-exempt hunters, nearly 99% were taken by landowners/tenants, while only 1% was taken by military personnel on leave. Table 4. Harvest distribution of deer by license type during 2014 hunting season. License Status Deer Harvested Percent of Harvest Resident 61,278 51.0 % Lifetime 27,484 22.9 % Land Owner 16,109 13.4 % Youth 10,848 9.0 % Nonresident 4,147 3.5 % Military 208 0.2 % Total 120,073 100.0 %
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Post by bullseye69 on Feb 23, 2016 20:19:32 GMT -5
But what if when you bought the land the tax on it was manageable and then you know major tax increase, or you have a change in employment. So you should think 15 years into the future and say nope tax will be to expensive by then and I may loose my job and be flipping burgers ,better not do that. Who does that? JMO Some people have dreams of living on their own acreage and not a postage stamp sized yard.
I'll answer your question and I doubt you'll agree with it. You asked who does that. Someone who doesn't live with debt. I agree with that but thats like what ,1 out of ? How would you buy land without getting a loan for it, unless you were born into money or something like that and that is what, 1 out of ?
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Post by greghopper on Feb 23, 2016 20:23:40 GMT -5
I probably misunderstood But on the other hand How many landowners hunted and didn't harvest a deer ?? We forgot that ! We are just seeing successful not number license sold ! I think It really doesn't matter as long they would of bought some type of OTC hunting lic.... Someone needs to research how many exempt land owners buy some type of OTC hunting lic. During the year!
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Post by HillBillyJeff on Feb 23, 2016 20:27:57 GMT -5
Ive owned my farm since 2009 ..... in that time my taxes have increased 80%. 80%. 80. %. Not a damn thing has changed on the farm. Not a single crop has been harvested. Not a single dime in income. 80%. Take that $3.75 from my taxes I already pay. Anyone who trusts it would stay $3.75 or trusts that the funds would only be used for what you believe it would be used for is a fool. Our family farm has been here since the 1930s..I believe my family has paid much much more in taxes than we have for the land. Many times over. Someone posted about CRP. Farmers are paid not to farm land and it isn't just free money. They can't farm that land so the govt gives us back some money that we would have made if we farmed it. It isn't free money. How'd you like to buy fuel at over 4 bucks a gallon to farm with? Cuts into the bottom line. Us farmers have it so good!!! You want to make a small pile of money farming??? Start with a big pile and go from there.
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Post by outdoorjoe on Feb 23, 2016 20:35:49 GMT -5
I was all prepared to say landowners should pay the fee, but then I read a post about boat fees and got to thinking. I pay to get to the boat ramp, a DNR boat permit, boat excise tax and registration fee, truck Reg. And excise, gas tax, etc.. Income tax, payroll tax, etc... Although I too pay thousands in property tax, for my postage stamp lawn, I am taxed out. I get both sides of this and think $3.75 is a small price to play this game and get millions, it's more about money management. They are now talking about a higher food and beverage sales tax in greenwood, I say forget Lucas oil and those guys, they can move to LA and let me keep my $$
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Post by span870 on Feb 23, 2016 20:36:53 GMT -5
I'll answer your question and I doubt you'll agree with it. You asked who does that. Someone who doesn't live with debt. I agree with that but thats like what ,1 out of ? How would you buy land without getting a loan for it, unless you were born into money or something like that and that is what, 1 out of ? You live on less than you make and dont go into debt. Invest wisely. Do you realize the amount of money the average American spends on interest alone on "stuff" they have to have right now? Getting off topic here but buying land with cash isn't out of reach for the average household. It's just not going to happen right now. Less than 10% of people with a net worth of over a million dollars did it with inherited money. You have to decide where your priorities are. The I can't do it without loans mindset is what keep mortgage companies, credit card companies, and banks in business.
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Post by M4Madness on Feb 23, 2016 20:43:55 GMT -5
I'd venture to guess that this whole idea was hatched from the question of where the DNR will get funds if bonus antlerless tags are decreased.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 20:48:25 GMT -5
As a lifetime license holder and a land owner, it doesn't make much difference to me.
I wouldn't pitch a fit over $3.75 for a license though. It goes to a good cause.
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Post by span870 on Feb 23, 2016 20:49:06 GMT -5
Here's the problem with it. We all know that the money is not going to go where it's designed to. Ltl money, tobacco company settlement, lottery money...I could go on and on. It's a free bank for pet projects.
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Post by throbak on Feb 23, 2016 20:58:41 GMT -5
Every agency out there is having to try thinking out side the box I'm active in our SWCD we are funded with a Cigarette tax guess what we are struggling now people are not smoking now . the traditional ways of funding are not working now If you don't think this is a good Idea fine .But no need to be mean or condescending !! What's your idea ??start thinking of Something !Bring that to the table ! The ones against it are quite clear why But not once has anyone said this would be better
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Post by throbak on Feb 23, 2016 21:05:43 GMT -5
Also did you guys know that Missouri got tired of all this Funding Legilative Messes like we are going thru and legislated a soda tax I think it was and the DNR is run that way Oklahoma Sells a Paddlefish eggs They are funded by Roe sales But they still get PR money
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Post by span870 on Feb 23, 2016 21:14:21 GMT -5
Every agency out there is having to try thinking out side the box I'm active in our SWCD we are funded with a Cigarette tax guess what we are struggling now people are not smoking now . the traditional ways of funding are not working now If you don't think this is a good Idea fine .But no need to be mean or condescending !! What's your idea ??start thinking of Something !Bring that to the table ! The ones against it are quite clear why But not once has anyone said this would be better If this was towards me Dale, wasn't meant to be condescending to you. My point is the wrong people get their greedy hands on this money and it goes away. The tobacco settlement money was to be used for tobacco prevention and cessation. Less than 1% of 1% went there. How to fix it. Don't let people that have no idea about investing, invest the money. Why does it take 3/4 of this money to pay for adminstration? The problem isn't the money, the money is there. The problem is how it's handled.
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Post by bullseye69 on Feb 23, 2016 21:32:11 GMT -5
I agree with that but thats like what ,1 out of ? How would you buy land without getting a loan for it, unless you were born into money or something like that and that is what, 1 out of ? You live on less than you make and dont go into debt. Invest wisely. Do you realize the amount of money the average American spends on interest alone on "stuff" they have to have right now? Getting off topic here but buying land with cash isn't out of reach for the average household. It's just not going to happen right now. Less than 10% of people with a net worth of over a million dollars did it with inherited money. You have to decide where your priorities are. The I can't do it without loans mindset is what keep mortgage companies, credit card companies, and banks in business. Yep I agree with you on that. But isn't land a investment? They aren't making anymore.
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Post by lugnutz on Feb 23, 2016 21:32:22 GMT -5
How about the DNR charge the insurance companies $24 for each and every car/deer accident. In a way that is property damage. Damage to our natural resources.
A stretch I know, but could bring in massive $$
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Post by bullseye on Feb 23, 2016 21:52:02 GMT -5
Been thinking about this. I first thought it ight be okay, but have change my mind to not in favor of it.
I own some ground, they re-assessed my land this year and raised my taxes from $2,500 to $4,000 for what I do not know. I pay my fair share to hunt on my property.
So I pay property tax, and pay tax when I buy guns and ammo etc that is to be distributed. Now why should I pay $4 to help them determine how to distribute my tax money that I paid when I bought the stuff. So I am paying my taxes plus a few dollars to determine how to distribute it. Thats crazy.
Here is another thing that I do not know if has been mention.....I did not read all the pages. A lifetime license holder is only counted into the number of hunters for 30 years. In my case mine is 30 years old this year. So should I now start paying $4 so that they can count that as a hunter number also. Maybe a should pay a landowner and lifetime fee, need to make sure they get more money.
It all about the money..........
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Post by robster on Feb 23, 2016 22:02:02 GMT -5
As a landowner. It is a state right that was given to me. Take one Liberty away then each year they increase the price
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Post by bullwinkle on Feb 23, 2016 22:05:36 GMT -5
I think it is pathetic that for the price of a wopper sandwich that people would not support buying a license that would bring in much needed state and federal funds to support wildlife and the management of. Everyone today is sponging off of sportsmen of the past. Imagine if we would have never reintroduced deer and turkey and other species that we now have the opportunity to hunt and see. I guarantee there would be no demand for canned deer hunts and leasing in Indiana if deer were not reintroduced. We have the second coming of the privatization of wildlife and the mentality that destroyed it and the opportunity we all have enjoyed. I am glad my fathers generation were not so greedy as we are today. Of course they had to actually go and fight for this country.
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Post by bullwinkle on Feb 23, 2016 22:14:49 GMT -5
Why should they be exempt? The state owns the deer not the landowner We feed those state owned deer. When the state reimburses that cost....and the taxes for the woods those state owned deer live in, we'll talk. The state does not own the deer or wildlife it is a public trust which is manage by the state and you do not just feed them as they are not just confined toyour property. We all pay taxes and farmers pay less taxes than most. I pay a heck of a lot more taxes on the land that I own vs. the farmer. If you do not want to hunt then don' buy the license. It is a user fee
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