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Post by swilk on Jan 5, 2016 20:11:55 GMT -5
Great. So, do you see a difference in killing a young deer vs killing a deer with unborn deer inside it?
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Post by jjas on Jan 5, 2016 20:28:09 GMT -5
Great. So, do you see a difference in killing a young deer vs killing a deer with unborn deer inside it? In reality, a doe may/may not be pregnant during the late antlerless season. And even if the doe is carrying a fetus, there is no guarantee that fetus will ever be born or that it will survive more than a short time if it is born. If I kill a fawn, I know that deer (which has managed to survive for 6 months or so) is dead and gone. Not to mention the fact that a fawn is one of the easiest deer to kill and has the least amount of meat on it as well.
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Post by swilk on Jan 5, 2016 20:35:59 GMT -5
Please don't make me post the exact same thing again....do you or don't you? I only ask because you asked the original question.
The post that started this thread was not about a doe that may or may not have been bred....it was a story about a guy who killed a female deer with 3 deer inside it. The responses on this thread were in response to that original post.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Jan 5, 2016 20:43:59 GMT -5
I have passed on a fawn; she was too cute to shoot and all by herself. I would eat one though.
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Post by jjas on Jan 5, 2016 20:44:27 GMT -5
Please don't make me post the exact same thing again....do you or don't you? I only ask because you asked the original question. The post that started this thread was not about a doe that may or may not have been bred....it was a story about a guy who killed a female deer with 3 deer inside it. The responses on this thread were in response to that original post. While I may not have answered the question to your satisfaction, it's been answered....
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Jan 5, 2016 20:45:55 GMT -5
I would also hate to shoot an antlerless buck in the late season. If they've survived that long, I'd hate to be the one to end it.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Jan 5, 2016 20:47:34 GMT -5
Oh, I would hate to open up a doe with three fetus fawns??? I'm a softy for babies.
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Post by trapperdave on Jan 5, 2016 20:50:12 GMT -5
Not had that happen yet, but did with really late season squirrel. However, if that doe were shot early or late those three fawns wouldn't have happened anyway. Ditto. I've also shot a buck that already dropped it's antlers at the end of ML season before. With the one buck rule I was still legal but....... Since I hunt to put meat in the freezer, I try to get what I need before it gets cold out, but stuff happens and I have been out at the end of the season. What happens, happens. It's all a personal choice, and whether a doe has been bred or not doesn't bother me. Who's to say those wouldn't have been coyote food anyway? We have a one antlered rule. You'd have been fine even if you had killed a buck prior
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Post by nfalls116 on Jan 5, 2016 20:52:14 GMT -5
I'd rather kill a 4-6 month old fawn than an adult deer for two reasons one: adult deer are heavy two:adult deer weigh significantly more than fawns
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Post by swilk on Jan 5, 2016 20:57:21 GMT -5
three: lighter deer weigh less than heavier deer
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Jan 5, 2016 20:59:27 GMT -5
three: lighter deer weigh less than heavier deer You have your six-shooter out tonight.
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Post by nfalls116 on Jan 5, 2016 21:03:07 GMT -5
three: lighter deer weigh less than heavier deer Couldn't have said it better myself swilk
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Post by mkfrench on Jan 5, 2016 22:52:10 GMT -5
That's terrible to KILL 4 deer with one shot. I'm sure the doe and her triplets wouldn't have been hit by a car next week, died because of a bad winter, drown falling thru icy pond next week, chased by dogs to the point of exhaustion... She could have had 3 healthy fawns next spring that could've been hit by a car, ate by a coyote, bushogged, hung up in a fence to die a slow death, fall in a cistern and drown, choke on a corn cob the animal lover down the road put out for the cute dee,...okay I'll stop.
Nature is a brutal b!@#+ some times. Things die things live.
I'm glad he was able to harvest(KILL)a healthy doe for his family to eat.
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Post by throbak on Jan 5, 2016 22:55:13 GMT -5
Why kill the proven breeder anyway your herd never shrinks if you don't kill the big ones kill two little ones and guess what you will have two more next year
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Jan 5, 2016 22:57:41 GMT -5
That's terrible to KILL 4 deer with one shot. I'm sure the doe and her triplets wouldn't have been hit by a car next week, died because of a bad winter, drown falling thru icy pond next week, chased by dogs to the point of exhaustion... She could have had 3 healthy fawns next spring that could've been hit by a car, ate by a coyote, bushogged, hung up in a fence to die a slow death, fall in a cistern and drown, choke on a corn cob the animal lover down the road put out for the cute dee,...okay I'll stop. Nature is a brutal b!@#+ some times. Things die things live. I'm glad he was able to harvest(KILL)a healthy doe for his family to eat. Hello Mr. French, Are you old enough to remember Mr. French? It's been a while since I've seen you around.
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 5, 2016 23:03:56 GMT -5
The morel to the story had nothing to do with how many deer would be or would not be around next year. Obviously he knew the doe and any offspring wouldn't be. But he was not prepared to see fully developed fetus's when he field dressed. Thus changed his thoughts on shooting late season does.
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Post by firstwd on Jan 5, 2016 23:26:10 GMT -5
If that is his decision, then we all should respect it, end of story.
Personally, I'm all for antlerless only being at the start of the season instead of the end, but we work within the set rules or we work to change them.
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Post by esshup on Jan 6, 2016 11:06:48 GMT -5
Neither bothers me but do you really not see a difference? I would rather kill an adult doe than a fawn. Me too, but my reasoning is probably different than others. My reasoning is purely financial. My processor charges by the deer, so an adult will yield more meat than a yearling.
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Post by swilk on Jan 6, 2016 11:13:02 GMT -5
I would rather kill an adult doe than a fawn. Me too, but my reasoning is probably different than others. My reasoning is purely financial. My processor charges by the deer, so an adult will yield more meat than a yearling. Do you see the difference, from a mental standpoint, of a man's opinion of killing a young deer vs a man killing a deer that has unborn deer inside it? Like I said, neither scenario bothers me but it is easy for me to understand how some folks might not want to look at a mutant deer inside their deer as they gut it. Of course I can also understand how some folks don't want to shoot a juvenile deer either....easiest deer in the woods to kill. Not much meat. Yadda yadda yadda ...
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Post by jjas on Jan 6, 2016 11:59:33 GMT -5
In the end, as long as someone hunts by the rules, I don't care it they kill an adult doe, a six pointer, a monster buck, a fawn or choose not to shoot a certain deer based on the time of year or age of the deer.
Their tag, their choice.....
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