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Post by jjas on Nov 18, 2014 15:50:57 GMT -5
According to Field & Stream it may be......but I disagree. I think there will always be plenty of vertical bow hunters, but the difference is that those who choose to hunt with a vertical bow will have to adjust to sharing the archery season with the crossbow hunter. And while there are those who aren't happy about it, I think most will come to accept it. Kind of like when traditional archers accepted the compound bow. www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/whitetail-365/a-long-goodbye-to-the-compound-bow |
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Post by shouldernuke on Nov 18, 2014 16:01:29 GMT -5
I think the vert bow will go the way of all the past trad bows eventually .Its just how its going to shake down .Sure there will always be vert compound hunters just like there will be tad bow hunters out there .But I think most hunters want the very best equipment they can get with the lowest maintenance cycles shortest practice periods they can get !!I.E. the now CFR laws !! and all the states starting the xbow thing .
I think this is just natural progression in hunting equipment is all it is and will lead to cleaner kills and more recoveries in the long run by far .
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Post by ms660 on Nov 18, 2014 16:17:19 GMT -5
I utilize both vertical and horizontal weapons, it really about choice. I am not looking to sell my vertical Mathews Switchback, or my old Bear Kodiak recurve any time in the future after buying my MXB 320 crossbow.
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Post by scrub-buster on Nov 18, 2014 17:29:08 GMT -5
I made the switch two years ago. I am happy that I did. I use a primitive longbow also.
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Post by dbd870 on Nov 18, 2014 18:00:48 GMT -5
I don't know; crossbows are much slower to reload, and are more cumbersome to me. You may not see quite the rush to change - no doubt some will. It would be interesting to see how many of those sales are new shooters vs those switching (switchers change due to physical reasons don't count). I could see the attraction to new shooters. On an unrelated note: I'm looking at add below the Reply box for Power4Patriots; come on really - what a joke!
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Post by antiwheeze on Nov 18, 2014 20:34:04 GMT -5
I have generally been disappointed with my experience with a crossbow. That being said, it was my go to weapon this morning for the Park hunt. I think my expectations for the xbow were just too high. A vertical bow will likely remain my not too cold archery weapon of choice.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 18, 2014 20:57:27 GMT -5
Pooeeeyyy! More "outdoor writer" stuff..
IIRC - The breakdown in Ohio is 60% to 40% crossbows to compounds, with some going both ways..This is after almost 40 years.
Crossbowers and the vertical bowhunters in Ohio are setting harvest records every year.
Data from there also shows that a large percentage of bowhunters start very young with crossbows and as they age they migrate more and more to vertical bows. By the time they get into the early 20s there is more shooting and hunting with vertical bows. That trend is reversed as the bowhunter ages at around the late 40s..
Archery is archery and one can choose just how difficult and easy they want to make it..
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Post by swilk on Nov 18, 2014 21:07:09 GMT -5
I know several able bodied, fairly young men, who have switched to crossbows. I doubt compounds become as rare as traditional archery but there is no doubt many, many hunters will be choosing crossbows instead of compounds in the future.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 18, 2014 21:22:56 GMT -5
I know several able bodied, fairly young men, who have switched to crossbows. I doubt compounds become as rare as traditional archery but there is no doubt many, many hunters will be choosing crossbows instead of compounds in the future. Purely anecdotal evidence. There are tons of data from Ohio that says exactly what I said it says. An example.... A breakdown of the Ohio archery harvest for hunters between the ages of 10-21 for the 2007-2008 season: Age 10 - 95% crossbow, 5% vertical bow Age 11 - 91% crossbow, 9% vertical bow Age 12 - 86% crossbow, 14% vertical bow Age 13 - 75% crossbow, 25% vertical bow Age 14 - 74% crossbow, 26% vertical bow Age 15 - 65% crossbow, 35% vertical bow Age 16 - 56% crossbow, 44% vertical bow Age 17 - 50% crossbow, 50% vertical bow Age 18 - 46% crossbow, 54% vertical bow Age 19 - 44% crossbow, 56% vertical bow Age 20 - 41% crossbow, 59% vertical bow Age 21 - 38% crossbow, 62% vertical bow |
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Post by swilk on Nov 18, 2014 21:29:06 GMT -5
Lol.....purely personal observations.
I forgot to add that I do know one young girl who occasionally uses a crossbow as well so there is that single personal observation of a "youngster and women" thing that was touted before passage.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 18, 2014 21:31:23 GMT -5
Example of real data.. and not just a "I know some able bodied...."
A breakdown of the Ohio archery harvest for hunters between the ages of 10-21 for the 2007-2008 season:
Age 10 - 95% crossbow, 5% vertical bow
Age 11 - 91% crossbow, 9% vertical bow
Age 12 - 86% crossbow, 14% vertical bow
Age 13 - 75% crossbow, 25% vertical bow
Age 14 - 74% crossbow, 26% vertical bow
Age 15 - 65% crossbow, 35% vertical bow
Age 16 - 56% crossbow, 44% vertical bow
Age 17 - 50% crossbow, 50% vertical bow
Age 18 - 46% crossbow, 54% vertical bow
Age 19 - 44% crossbow, 56% vertical bow
Age 20 - 41% crossbow, 59% vertical bow
Age 21 - 38% crossbow, 62% vertical bow
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Post by swilk on Nov 18, 2014 21:34:12 GMT -5
Lol.....comparing 40 years of apples to a couple years of oranges.
Whatever .... its passed.
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Post by swilk on Nov 18, 2014 21:37:03 GMT -5
The funny thing is if your numbers actually transfer to our hunters my original post is confirmed.....many able bodied hunters will give up the compound for crossbows. Better than half.....according to the very apples you cited.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 18, 2014 21:37:50 GMT -5
Yep... it sure did...
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 18, 2014 21:43:56 GMT -5
The funny thing is if your numbers actually transfer to our hunters my original post is confirmed.....many able bodied hunters will give up the compound for crossbows. Better than half.....according to the very apples you cited. Uh, not really.. Crossbows bring more people into ALL archery hunting. The state of Ohio has 350,000 archery hunters as compared to Indiana’s less than 100,000. That is 78.4% of the Ohio hunters using archery equipment during the deer hunting season. The national average is only 28% of a given state's hunters using archery equipment. Does the use of crossbows have a negative impact on hunters taking up compound bows to hunt with? No, not really. 36% of the Ohio deer hunters use vertical bows. That is 8% HIGHER than the national average. In Ohio they get hunters started with crossbows, they go to vertical and then come back to crossbows as they age. That is great hunter recruitment and hunter retention. The Ohio hunting archers (longbow, compound and crossbow) account for 30% of the total Ohio deer harvest. In Indiana’s the hunting archers account for 20% of the Indiana deer harvest. The difference? Crossbows… |
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Post by swilk on Nov 18, 2014 21:47:41 GMT -5
So.....you admit you are comparing apples to oranges yet you continue to do so?
Like I said...it passed so no reason to continue the attempted spin.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 18, 2014 22:29:32 GMT -5
So.....you admit you are comparing apples to bananas yet you continue to do so? Like I said...it passed so no reason to continue the attempted spin. No spin to it... There is Overwhelming data from multiple states that bear out that crossbows help recruit hunters, retain older hunters, increase revenues, and help manage the herd. All wins.. Your dancing  doesn't change that.. But it is cute.  |
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Post by windingwinds on Nov 18, 2014 22:55:59 GMT -5
I use our crossbow as my go-to tool when it's freezing cold out or there is some issue shooting my compound. However, I like my compound more. It's quieter, lighter to carry and much more quick for a 2nd arrow if needed. The crossbow is more forgiving. With my compound for example I now realize I missed a doe this year because I was wearing a heavyweight face mask and that messed up my anchor point. My compound isn't going anywhere.
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Post by grey squirrel on Nov 19, 2014 0:15:22 GMT -5
I vertical bow hunted for years up until 2 years ago, shoulder problems set in and coincidentally, so did the rule change for crossbows. I am now selling my crossbow to go back to vertical because my shoulder is better and also because my daughters are getting into vertical bows and want to start shooting 3D, I want to be able to shoot along with them. In my opinion, crossbows or vertical bows, what does it matter as long as hunters are in the woods doing what they love to do! Personally, I prefer shooting vertical over crossbow, but I do know the crossbow kept me in a tree during bow season for the last 2 years while my shoulder recovered. There won't be any complaints from me either way.
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Post by bullwinkle on Nov 19, 2014 1:34:22 GMT -5
Took a deer this year in early season with a crossbow for the first time. I have had a crossbow for years as I inherited it from my father but have never used it in early season as I don't like to carry it. So I bought a sling for it and that issue is much better. My observation from actually shooting a deer with one is as follows. It is not the same as bow hunting. I happy with the deer but I never experienced the same high as with the bow both n the anticipation of the shot as well as after. For me it was like gun hunting. You have a light gathering scope which is a great advantage as well as you hold and simply pull the trigger when the time comes. It is a very efficient tool. The deer only went 30 to 40 yds. Pass though shot quick kill. Quiet compared to a gun as I could have taken another one that stood there. I will still bow hunt as I did more of it than with the Crossbow in the early season. I will probably use it again depending on the conditions. I'm not going to debate whether we should or should not have them in early archery season as that is beating a dead horse. However from my experience, it's not archery and one does not have to have the skill that a successful archer has to have. One still has to put themselves in the right situation to take an animal but completing the task is much easier than with a bow. Archery is quite popular right now because of the movie Hunger Games. There is hope that may help bow hunting as well as hunting. Without that interest I believe people would just simply go the easiest way.
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