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Post by fowlhunter on Jul 7, 2010 17:08:48 GMT -5
"stakeholder committee"
That in its self says a lot. To me a stakeholder means you own a part of something and to me every deer hunter is a stakeholder. How many average deer hunters were selected to be on this committee? As far as I know there were none. To be fair there should be deer hunters with no tie to any organization randomly selected to be on such a committee. To say that those people on this committee are stakeholders implies to me that their opinion matters and mine does not. This is also very apparent to me by the proposals compared to the results of the survey. Seems to be a common theme these days that the peoples voice does not matter.
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Post by mattfinney on Jul 7, 2010 17:23:04 GMT -5
Ok I called the governors office and got transferred to Shelley? {spelling may not be correct} their liason to the DNR. She listened patiently to my complaints and said she would pass them along but also said I should to to www.in.gov/nrc/2377.htm and press other since it isn't listed yet and let them know in writing. 317-232-4567 Governor Daniels office number, ask for the DNR liason. Tell them your concerns and also go to that website and let them know in writing. Here is the NRC input page...www.in.gov/nrc/2351.htmMake your comments there. They will get them..Thanks, I just let them know that this proposal has my full support! It truly looks like the best thing to ever happen to Indiana deer hunting. I say this as a shotgun hunter, a muzzleloader hunter, a rifle hunter, and a bow hunter, but more than all of that, a DEER HUNTER.
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Post by hoosier on Jul 7, 2010 17:23:16 GMT -5
Can someone post the most basic "Cliff Notes" regarding everybody's fury aimed at the DNR and other groups? I have a splitting headache and can't wade through all the IDNR mumbo-jumbo at the moment. Just want to get an idea of what I am missing. Thanks Hoosier.
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Post by mattfinney on Jul 7, 2010 17:27:44 GMT -5
Implementation of an early antlerless season - The proposal calls for the addition of an early October antlerless season. Studies have shown that early antlerless seasons have a positive effect on removing additional antlerless deer, provided participation is satisfactory. Additionally, this season has the potential to remove a great number of deer early in the fall season, when the number of deer-vehicle accidents are beginning to spike. This has the added benefit of altering the buck-doe ratio prior to the onset of the rut, creating a shorter and more intense breeding season, which is often desirable for hunters.
Shortening of the firearms season - The proposal calls for the shortening of the firearms and muzzleloader seasons, from 16 days in each season to 9 days. Biologists across the nation are coming to the conclusion that fewer hunting days may actually promote an increased harvest. Though this seems counterintuitive, the reasoning behind this is valid. Hunters tend to procrastinate in harvesting a deer, producing missed opportunities earlier in the season. As the season drags on, the opportunity for success in harvesting a deer decreases. By reducing the number of days available to hunters, a greater sense of urgency in harvesting a deer results. States with shorter seasons exhibit a similar ratio of antlered to antlerless harvests as Indiana’s longer season, and with 4 weekends combined in the firearms and muzzleloader seasons, Indiana still will maintain one of the more liberal seasons for firearms use in the Midwest .
Delaying the opening of the firearms season - The proposal calls for a delay in the start of the firearm season, from the first Saturday after November 11 to the weekend before Thanksgiving. We all agreed we wanted the Thanksgiving weekend to remain within the deer firearms season due to the tradition associated with hunting during that holiday period. In addition, the current firearms season was established when the Division was trying to grow the deer herd. By providing hunters the opportunity to use firearms early in November, the pressure was taken off of the antlerless component and placed on the antlered component of the deer herd. Now that our mission has changed and we are trying to strategically reduce the deer herd, more female deer should be harvested by delaying the start of the firearms season. This can be seen in recent years (1999-2000 and 2005-2006) as the start of the firearms opener varies from November 12th or 13th in the first year of each series to November 18 the following year. The antlered buck harvest declined from the first year in the sequence to the second (~10% each year), while the antlerless harvest increased. This is strong evidence that a later start date will help increase the antlerless harvest.
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Post by fowlhunter on Jul 7, 2010 17:32:43 GMT -5
I really doubt the over all harvest will change that much. The only thing that has been accomplished is lost time to hunt especially for the firearm only deer hunter. The bottom line is people are only going to kill the amount of deer they want. If a person only wants two deer they are only going to kill two deer. And for the record I hunt with all weapons and primarily archery.
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Post by racktracker on Jul 7, 2010 17:44:05 GMT -5
I really doubt the over all harvest will change that much. The only thing that has been accomplished is lost time to hunt especially for the firearm only deer hunter. The bottom line is people are only going to kill the amount of deer they want. If a person only wants two deer they are only going to kill two deer. And for the record I hunt with all weapons and primarily archery. True dat...
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Post by racktracker on Jul 7, 2010 17:50:30 GMT -5
"IDNR is going to change whatever they want to make some extra money and keep all the special interest groups happy, the survey don't mean squat " This was from a post of mine back on June 3rd...lol And I am a BOWHUNTER!!! LOL Heck of a prediction! The survey says: - -Total responses favored the current opening date for firearms season. Moving the opening date one week later ranked second, with strong opposition to moving it two weeks later.
--Total responses strongly favored no change to the structure of firearms and muzzleloader seasons, and strongly opposed any choice with fewer days to hunt. Looks like someone else was STRONGLY the other way and we got stuck like a pig.... The poop will hot the fan next fall when the 200,000 plus deer hunters find out about this.
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Post by racktracker on Jul 7, 2010 18:01:18 GMT -5
"stakeholder committee" That in its self says a lot. To me a stakeholder means you own a part of something and to me every deer hunter is a stakeholder. How many average deer hunters were selected to be on this committee? As far as I know there were none. To be fair there should be deer hunters with no tie to any organization randomly selected to be on such a committee. To say that those people on this committee are stakeholders implies to me that their opinion matters and mine does not. This is also very apparent to me by the proposals compared to the results of the survey. Seems to be a common theme these days that the peoples voice does not matter. FH, Nope, there was no "average deer hunters" there. They were all elite deer hunters or so they think. Even though the subject of crossbows was discussed freely there were no crossbowers there either. Only a room full of anti-crossbowers.
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Post by huxbux on Jul 7, 2010 18:16:24 GMT -5
I'll quit deer hunting in IN if they shorten the seasons as proposed.
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Post by freedomhunter on Jul 7, 2010 18:33:52 GMT -5
the push should be for "earn-a-buck" for non-residents along with higher nr license fees, maybe a $200 doe+buck license, threatening to stop hunting is not going to accomplish much
honestly, at least us resident hunters should be the ones to see a more balanced deer herd (the gloom and doom ends when your efforts actually pay off for once), it is what it is, not everyone is going to be happy
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Post by Decatur on Jul 7, 2010 18:36:02 GMT -5
The licenses are already expensive considering you have to buy a buck tag for each weapon, and doe tags seperately, and then to take hunting days away from us making them less of a bargain just doesn't make sense.
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Post by Decatur on Jul 7, 2010 18:41:29 GMT -5
Implementation of an early antlerless season - The proposal calls for the addition of an early October antlerless season. Studies have shown that early antlerless seasons have a positive effect on removing additional antlerless deer, provided participation is satisfactory. Additionally, this season has the potential to remove a great number of deer early in the fall season, when the number of deer-vehicle accidents are beginning to spike. This has the added benefit of altering the buck-doe ratio prior to the onset of the rut, creating a shorter and more intense breeding season, which is often desirable for hunters. I still don't buy this. How does a buck, who can travel 20+ miles seeking does know that he has bred all of the does in an area and therefore give up looking ar look harder because there are 10 less does in his home range? HE CAN'T!Shortening of the firearms season - The proposal calls for the shortening of the firearms and muzzleloader seasons, from 16 days in each season to 9 days. Biologists across the nation are coming to the conclusion that fewer hunting days may actually promote an increased harvest. Though this seems counterintuitive, the reasoning behind this is valid. Hunters tend to procrastinate in harvesting a deer, producing missed opportunities earlier in the season. As the season drags on, the opportunity for success in harvesting a deer decreases. By reducing the number of days available to hunters, a greater sense of urgency in harvesting a deer results. States with shorter seasons exhibit a similar ratio of antlered to antlerless harvests as Indiana’s longer season, and with 4 weekends combined in the firearms and muzzleloader seasons, Indiana still will maintain one of the more liberal seasons for firearms use in the Midwest . This is all about saving more bucks so they have the potential of getting somebody's name in a book.Delaying the opening of the firearms season - The proposal calls for a delay in the start of the firearm season, from the first Saturday after November 11 to the weekend before Thanksgiving. We all agreed we wanted the Thanksgiving weekend to remain within the deer firearms season due to the tradition associated with hunting during that holiday period. In addition, the current firearms season was established when the Division was trying to grow the deer herd. By providing hunters the opportunity to use firearms early in November, the pressure was taken off of the antlerless component and placed on the antlered component of the deer herd. Now that our mission has changed and we are trying to strategically reduce the deer herd, more female deer should be harvested by delaying the start of the firearms season. This can be seen in recent years (1999-2000 and 2005-2006) as the start of the firearms opener varies from November 12th or 13th in the first year of each series to November 18 the following year. The antlered buck harvest declined from the first year in the sequence to the second (~10% each year), while the antlerless harvest increased. This is strong evidence that a later start date will help increase the antlerless harvest. This is the same reason as above. Saving bucks.<EDIT> No posting of other forum URLS.
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Post by huxbux on Jul 7, 2010 19:34:26 GMT -5
the push should be for "earn-a-buck" for non-residents along with higher nr license fees, maybe a $200 doe+buck license, threatening to stop hunting is not going to accomplish much I don't make idle threats. I will quit financially supporting the bureaucracy which proposes these things against the wishes of the majority of hunters by spending my deer tag monies elsewhere and end my contributions towards controlling the deer population if the firearm seasons are shortened as proposed. If everyone did the same, I assure you my friend, it would accomplish much.
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Post by dbd870 on Jul 7, 2010 20:13:59 GMT -5
the push should be for "earn-a-buck" for non-residents along with higher nr license fees, maybe a $200 doe+buck license, threatening to stop hunting is not going to accomplish much I don't make idle threats. I will quit financially supporting the bureaucracy which proposes these things against the wishes of the majority of hunters by spending my deer tag monies elsewhere and end my contributions towards controlling the deer population if the firearm seasons are shortened as proposed. If everyone did the same, I assure you my friend, it would accomplish much. Yep; if enough hunters don't like this and vote with their wallets that will get someone's attention - may well be that's what it will take. That definitely bothers me as well, as much as anything actually. I'm not willing to buy all these tags with each only good for 9 days. It won't bother me at all not to deer hunt in this state.
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Post by vectrix on Jul 7, 2010 21:03:59 GMT -5
Guys from what I can tell none of this is set in stone and were already threatening to quit hunting? Look at the positives- More chances for our youth to fill some tags - Major steps in the crossbow season. It wasn't the end of the world when the OBR came out and this won't be either. For the gun only hunters it will mean you will have to try alittle harder or maybe take the oppurtunity to pick up some archery gear. I'm also confused on the term Elite hunter? Is this referring to bowhunters or guys who make deer hunting their passion and not just go when the wife say's it's ok? You didn't pack up and move to Canada when they elected that bozo to the White House so why all the fuss?
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Post by ukwil on Jul 7, 2010 21:56:07 GMT -5
I get tired of all the "buck hunting" bowhunters getting what they keep crying about. What about us DEER hunters that can't afford or don't have the time to live in the woods like the Trophy hunters? What happened when any deer harvested was a trophy? Are we supposed to go ahead and just take this? These special interest groups that keep compelling the DNR's and such to me are truly ruining hunting. Growing up I would have done anything to get to go hunting. So, why do we try to fix something that isn't broke? Its because deer hunting is going the way of everything else. The way of the rich and those that can line the pockets of the politicans. Its getting to be a sad state with regards to hunters in general. I just hope enough people can speak up.
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Post by OLE ROD on Jul 7, 2010 22:43:10 GMT -5
Sounds like some Great changes. I don't like shortening the Firearms and Muzzle loading seasons,But I'm glad Indiana is trying to move the Gun season out of the middle of the rut. It will give the bucks a better chance of getting older.
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Post by dbd870 on Jul 8, 2010 3:53:30 GMT -5
Not threatening to quit altogether - just here.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Jul 8, 2010 6:17:08 GMT -5
Woody! How about your 2 cents worth. You have been awfully quite on this one.....
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Post by Decatur on Jul 8, 2010 6:21:18 GMT -5
.... What about us DEER hunters that can't afford or don't have the time to live in the woods like the Trophy hunters? What happened when any deer harvested was a trophy? Are we supposed to go ahead and just take this? These special interest groups that keep compelling the DNR's and such to me are truly ruining hunting. Growing up I would have done anything to get to go hunting. So, why do we try to fix something that isn't broke? Its because deer hunting is going the way of everything else. The way of the rich and those that can line the pockets of the politicans. Its getting to be a sad state with regards to hunters in general. I just hope enough people can speak up. !
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