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Post by tenring on Jul 6, 2010 16:50:29 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 6, 2010 17:06:10 GMT -5
Read it and weep Summary of Proposed Deer Rule ChangesDefinitionsMoves the definition of crossbow to the definitions section, instead of defining it in 312 IAC 9-3-3 Adds a definition of ground blind General Requirements and LicensesAdds the new nonresident youth deer license types Adds license requirements for the new special antlerless seasons Requires hunter orange for youth hunters during the youth special deer season and during the new antlerless only seasons; hunter orange is already required for all deer hunters during the firearms and muzzleloader seasons Requires at least 144 square inches of hunter orange material on a ground blind used while deer hunting during a season when a hunter is already required to wear hunter orange Requires the owner’s name and address on ground blinds used on department properties Hunting EquipmentAllows a crossbow to be used by hunters who are at least 64 years old during the early archery season Allows a crossbow to be used during the deer firearms and muzzleloader seasons by hunters of any age Allows a hunter of any age to use a crossbow in an urban deer zone during the urban deer season. Allows a rifle cartridge to have a maximum case length of 1.8 inches instead of 1.625 inches Seasons and Bag LimitsAllows youth hunters to take the number of antlerless deer allowed in each county during the special youth deer season (in addition to one antlered deer) Extends the urban deer season through January 31 of the following year Requires hunters to take at least one antlerless deer prior to taking an antlered deer in the urban deer season Expands the urban deer zones in Lake and Porter counties to all of those counties Changes the deer firearms season to start on the first Saturday before Thanksgiving and continue for only 8 additional days
Shortens the deer muzzleloader season to only 9 days Adds an antlerless deer only firearms season in October (2 days only) in counties with an antlerless quota of 4 or more. The hunter may take the number of antlerless deer in each county allowed under the bonus county quota. Adds another antlerless deer-only firearms season from December 25 through January 1 of the following year. The hunter may take the number of antlerless deer in each county allowed under the bonus county quota. Military Reserves and National Wildlife RefugesOpens the firearms season on designated military reserves and national wildlife refuges on October 1 instead of November 1 Adds the new nonresident youth deer hunting license types
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Post by HuntMeister on Jul 6, 2010 17:24:51 GMT -5
Me thinks the NRC meeting this month will be entertaining...and long! If you are planning to attend you better get there early.
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Post by batchief909 on Jul 6, 2010 17:51:08 GMT -5
Woody,,,,could you get a list of legislators with links for those who won't be able to attend?
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Post by dbd870 on Jul 6, 2010 18:04:12 GMT -5
Have I mentioned I like KY's structure recently? I already have my KY tags for the year - perhaps I might save some money on in state tags this year
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Post by parrothead on Jul 6, 2010 18:13:38 GMT -5
I bet by tom this thing will be up to 4-5 pages and going strong.
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Post by Decatur on Jul 6, 2010 18:22:44 GMT -5
Crazy stuff! It's pretty obvious whose voices they listen to, and whose they don't.
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Post by racktracker on Jul 6, 2010 18:30:26 GMT -5
LOL..To all those that thought that the IDNR is looking out for all hunters - guess again. Dis they have you fooled or what? They are all in the hip pocket of the hunting groups and scared less of the NRC.. who is also in the hip pocket of the hunting groups. Attend the meeting? LOL! Unless you a can round up a couple hundred angry hunters with torches and pitch forks, save your time and money. They wont change their minds. This was cut and dried a long, long time ago. Way before that online survey where it was overwhelming that no one wanted to change or shorten the gun seasons. I'm sure that the legislators pushing this are going to be quite concerned that the IDNR is saying they can kill more deer if they shorten and move the gun seasons. Who has Representative Friend's email address and phone number? A sad day for Indiana deer hunting.
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Post by deerman1 on Jul 6, 2010 18:33:32 GMT -5
My understanding is that these are just "proposed" rules and rule changes made by NRC members or two the NRC from others sources and they must by rule of law be discussed, Am I correct here AN do these rules not have to be then given to the dnr for consideration and then either presented to the legislators for approval ?? If I am Wrong on this process let me know .If all the rules in this pcket are passed it will throw Indiana deer hunters and deer hunting back 30+ years . This is getting a bit old that the DAMN , IDHA guys,and small money power grabbing clubs are pushing through these horn porn law sand save "my" bucks mentality for us real trophy hunters crap and the fact that the DNR would even consider this is a slap in every average deer hunters face in this state except that vocal minority with money and power.. Also I thought that the state wanted more deer shot and killed not less and these rules for the most part will IMHO drastically reduce the number taken. I could be wrong here but I doubt it. I think that the NRC should be disbanded immediately and all hunter should be allowed to vote on new laws when they buy their hunting license and also speak out on line and at public forums .This is absurd
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Post by racktracker on Jul 6, 2010 18:44:46 GMT -5
My understanding is that these are just "proposed" rules and rule changes made by NRC members or two the NRC from others sources and they must by rule of law be discussed, Am I correct here AN do these rules not have to be then given to the dnr for consideration and then either presented to the legislators for approval ?? If I am Wrong on this process let me know . Also I thought that the state wanted more deer shot and killed not less and these rules for the most part will IMHO drastically reduce the number taken. I could be wrong here but I doubt it. The IDNR took the NRC recommendations (who were supposed to use our inputs from last year to come up with their recommendations) and took input from the so called "stakeholders" - IOW vested buddy, buddy hunting groups. If you saw what the hunting groups notes were from those meetings you will see that the IDNR got in lock step with them. Now the IDNR will present their proposal to the NRC on July 20th for preliminary approval. If they get the preliminary approval then weve got another time period for "public input", as if that really counts or matters.No, the legislature does not have to sign off on this. NOW unless we all get fired up and turn out in mass and send emails and make phone calls to everyone and his brother, this will pass and we will be stuck with it. Its a joke, boys. It's not funny and it's all on us.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 6, 2010 18:52:03 GMT -5
My understanding is that these are just "proposed" rules and rule changes made by NRC members or two the NRC from others sources and they must by rule of law be discussed, Am I correct here AN do these rules not have to be then given to the dnr for consideration and then either presented to the legislators for approval ?? If I am Wrong on this process let me know . Also I thought that the state wanted more deer shot and killed not less and these rules for the most part will IMHO drastically reduce the number taken. I could be wrong here but I doubt it. The IDNR took the NRC recommendations (who were supposed to use our inputs from last year to come up with their recommendations) and took input from the so called "stakeholders" - IOW vested buddy, buddy hunting groups. If you saw what the hunting groups notes were from those meetings you will see that the IDNR got in lock step with them. The hunting groups notes...part 1.. Attachments:
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 6, 2010 18:52:44 GMT -5
The hunting groups notes...part 2.. Attachments:
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 6, 2010 18:53:14 GMT -5
The hunting groups notes...part 3.. Attachments:
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 6, 2010 18:53:44 GMT -5
The hunting groups notes...part 4.. Attachments:
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 6, 2010 18:54:22 GMT -5
The hunting groups notes...part 5.. Attachments:
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 6, 2010 18:55:00 GMT -5
The hunting groups notes...part 6... Attachments:
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Post by mrfixit on Jul 6, 2010 19:38:44 GMT -5
Omg.
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Post by tenring on Jul 6, 2010 19:43:27 GMT -5
It's looking like it's all about the bow benders and antler worshiping 'aint it?
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Post by mrfixit on Jul 6, 2010 19:48:14 GMT -5
When and where is this next meeting supposed to be?
This is insane.
*edit* screw it, I think I will just leave the deer season to the antler worshippers. I think I just may be done altogether.
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Post by deerman1 on Jul 6, 2010 20:00:55 GMT -5
IMHO if any of this or all of it passes then we need our collective heads examined if we shoot more than the buck we want and send a message to the DNR that we will not play their games anymore .
Oh sure some game hog types will shoot every doe they can but in reallity that is not that many hunters . If the hunters who annually take 2 or3 deer a year take only one and make it a buck it will not take but a couple of years before the state is crying tears of pain to the DNR over the couple hundred thousand more deer every year than it had before and that is all it will take.
I am starting to see very clearly that money and good old boy politics is alive and well in the State level government and DNR. Totally ridiculous .
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