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Post by DEERTRACKS on Jul 13, 2010 14:40:43 GMT -5
I talked with an IDNR employee (Foresrty Division) yesterday that deer hunts & was unaware & baffled at the proposal..... I have had some folks that have talked to wildlfe biologists and they haven't heard a thing either. I sent Phil Bloom an email and asked why they cant send ths out as a Wildlife Bulletin. If and when a I get a reply I'll post it. This week I have talked with around 20 "regular Joe" deer hunters that are mainly shotgun hunters. They had no clue & are hot! They all asked the same question. How are more deer going to be killed with fewer shotgun days to hunt "AFTER" the rut? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ??
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Post by boonechaser on Jul 14, 2010 13:23:23 GMT -5
I was told that Indiana looked at Ohio's harvest number's. For ex. these are not exact but pretty close. Read on another site doing from memory. Buck harvest in 2009 for Ohio and Indiana were approx equal 2009 but Ohio killed around 30,000 more antlerless. Ohio's firearm's season is only 7 days compared to Indiana's 16. Also read that many states are going to shorter season because harvest statistic's show more deer are killed with shorter firearm's season. Susposed thinking is hunter's won't pass on early opportunities. I'M NOT SAYING I AGREE WITH THIS. JUST RELAYING WHAT I READ. On the flip side I beleive Ohio has cross bow, and high powered rifle included. So that data may not be totally accurate I would think???
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Post by swilk on Jul 14, 2010 13:35:13 GMT -5
I believe they do have x-bow .... but not HPR.
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Post by thecommissioner on Jul 14, 2010 13:44:59 GMT -5
it already happens here for weeks, shooters that drive and push will continue to do just that, just not for as many days The further away from the rut the less the big boys will move. If they don't move some will try to move them. That is the way a couple states out west do.. all drives.. very litte stand sitting except on drives. The method of deer hunting in Indiana will be changing drastically.."unintended consequences" Not my cup of tea. Buy stock in the companies that manufacture fencing, wire, NO TRESSPASSING signs, etc.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 14, 2010 14:38:01 GMT -5
I was told that Indiana looked at Ohio's harvest number's. For ex. these are not exact but pretty close. Read on another site doing from memory. Buck harvest in 2009 for Ohio and Indiana were approx equal 2009 but Ohio killed around 30,000 more antlerless. Ohio's firearm's season is only 7 days compared to Indiana's 16. Also read that many states are going to shorter season because harvest statistic's show more deer are killed with shorter firearm's season. Susposed thinking is hunter's won't pass on early opportunities. I'M NOT SAYING I AGREE WITH THIS. JUST RELAYING WHAT I READ. On the flip side I beleive Ohio has cross bow, and high powered rifle included. So that data may not be totally accurate I would think??? The poster of that asked the question If we thought that the IDNR might have looked at the Ohio numbers. Yes, they did. I am waiting on Mike Tonkovich's response on their harvest numbers. Mike is busy man so I'm not sure when he will get back with me. But, I can tell you this. That same poster that wants imitate Ohio on their short gun season wants NO part of the crossbow season preceeding that. Archers in Ohio killed 91,512 deer last seasons. If that poster really wants to kill does then why will he not support crossbows in the archery season? You see it is not about killing does as much as it is archers getting more of the rut and killing bucks. So , I guess if our archers killed that many maybe the gun seoans here being shortened would be that big of a deal. If the Ohio archers killed the 20,000 or so deer that OUR archers kill every year then I'm quite sure Dr. Mike would be extending their seasons. In fact they have done some extending the last few years. If the short seasons are working why are they extending it? I don't know of ANY state that is shortening the gun season. In fact quite the opposite. A lot of states are going to special antlerless season to make up for the deer that is not getting killed in their short seasons. Anyone know of any state reducing their gun season except Indiana?
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Post by boonechaser on Jul 14, 2010 15:09:38 GMT -5
Just read that information on another site. Have not data to back it up. Thought it was interesting. Don't know if they have suppoting information or not.
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Post by cedarthicket on Jul 14, 2010 15:45:40 GMT -5
Before reaching too many hard conclusions regarding Ohio’s 2009 Firearms season deer harvest, and using that to predict what may occur in Indiana under the currently proposed rule changes, I think it would be good to bring into evidence some additional relevant, potentially significant, data. These include, but are not necessarily limited to, the following:
Over the last, say 5 to 10 years, for both states:
The size (total number of deer) of the deer herd The number of hunters hunting the firearms season The number of days in firearms seasons Any changes in the opening day or length of season Any changes in weapon types allowed The number and percentage of antlered and antlerless deer harvested
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Post by deerman1 on Jul 14, 2010 16:00:02 GMT -5
I was told that Indiana looked at Ohio's harvest number's. For ex. these are not exact but pretty close. Read on another site doing from memory. Buck harvest in 2009 for Ohio and Indiana were approx equal 2009 but Ohio killed around 30,000 more antlerless. Ohio's firearm's season is only 7 days compared to Indiana's 16. Also read that many states are going to shorter season because harvest statistic's show more deer are killed with shorter firearm's season. Susposed thinking is hunter's won't pass on early opportunities. I'M NOT SAYING I AGREE WITH THIS. JUST RELAYING WHAT I READ. On the flip side I beleive Ohio has cross bow, and high powered rifle included. So that data may not be totally accurate I would think??? Ok Ohio has over 800,000 deer and the I have the 2009 stats kill rates and Ohio blow us away big time they have 750,000 deer hunter sand half of thier archery hunters hunt with xbow as a coincindance just slightly under half of the deer that are shot in archeray are killed with xbow . Xbow hunters in OH .Kill twice the deer alond that our bowhunters kill then vertical archers kill twice agin what our bowhunters kill. Now as harvest goes thay kill more deer with archery gear than we have total bowhunters . Here are thier stats so nothing we do or is proposed is close in any sense of the word to Ohio .FYI they kill just slightly less than twice the buck numbers we do and 3 times the Antlerless. Compairing Ohio to Indiana in deer hunting regs or numbers is like saying that Someones 6 year old is a flag dootball team QB and then compairing him and his stats to Peyton M.!!! Table 1. Ohio's 2009-10 white-tailed deer harvest by season and percent change from previous year. Season/hunt The top numbers in each catagory is Antlered The second number in each catagory is Antlerless Then the total of bucks and does Then the Total % Change +or - Early Gun1 39,221 74,854 114,075 -2.9 Bonus Gun 5,582 14,473 20,055 19.8 Total Gun 44,803 89,327 134,130 -0.1 Crossbow 21,565 27,500 49,065 +5.6 Vertical Bow 16,829 25,652 42,481 +7.9 Total Archery 38,394 53,152 91,546 +6.6 Salt Fork2 90 183 273 -13.3 Wildcat Hollow2 55 119 174 +8.1 Shawnee2 19 25 44 -51.1 Statewide Muzzleloader3 5,846 19,160 25,006 +19.3 Total Muzzleloader 6,010 19,487 25,497 +18.4 Statewide Youth 4,464 4,805 9,269 -4.4 NASA/Plumbrook 89 236 325 -3.8 Ravenna Hunt 69 192 261 -27.7 Season Total 93,905- Bucks 167,355 -Does 261,260 -grand total deer taken all seasons +3.7 1Traditional gun season for deer of either sex, Nov. 30 - Dec. 6, 2009. 2Special early muzzleloader season Oct. 19-24, 2009. 3Statewide either-sex muzzleloader season Jan. 9-12, 2009.
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Post by huxbux on Jul 14, 2010 19:52:32 GMT -5
I was told that Indiana looked at Ohio's harvest number's. For ex. these are not exact but pretty close. Read on another site doing from memory. Buck harvest in 2009 for Ohio and Indiana were approx equal 2009 but Ohio killed around 30,000 more antlerless. Ohio's firearm's season is only 7 days compared to Indiana's 16. Also read that many states are going to shorter season because harvest statistic's show more deer are killed with shorter firearm's season. Susposed thinking is hunter's won't pass on early opportunities. I'M NOT SAYING I AGREE WITH THIS. JUST RELAYING WHAT I READ. On the flip side I beleive Ohio has cross bow, and high powered rifle included. So that data may not be totally accurate I would think??? Comparing one states harvest numbers to another is comparing apples to oranges.
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Post by vortex100 on Jul 14, 2010 20:38:56 GMT -5
Just to make sure I got everything - they are proposing to shortening the gun season to 13 days (ps 15 if in certain co)? Out of the 13 only 8 of those days you are allow to shoot a buck?
Muzzle season is 9 days so realistically the gun season could last 23 days - so basically all of December could be gun season if you own a muzzle
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Post by cedarthicket on Jul 14, 2010 20:50:08 GMT -5
Vortex100, you have several errors. Please see a short summary and detailed language at: http://www.in.gov./nrd/files/Item_12_July_10.pdf
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Post by HuntMeister on Jul 14, 2010 20:50:27 GMT -5
proposed - 9 days general firearms either sex 9 day muzzleloader either sex 2 day antlerless firearms in OCT (but you can buck hunt with a bow during those 2 days) 8 days antlerless firearms 25DEC thru 1JAN Just to make sure I got everything - they are proposing to shortening the gun season to 13 days (ps 15 if in certain co)? Out of the 13 only 8 of those days you are allow to shoot a buck? Muzzle season is 9 days so realistically the gun season could last 23 days - so basically all of December could be gun season if you own a muzzle
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Post by vectrix on Jul 14, 2010 20:54:31 GMT -5
Woody! It looks like you are going to have to change the rules for the HI deer hunting contest this year. Namely one for archery, one for ml, & one for modern firearms along with awarding more points for antlerless deer...... Yea that sounds fair considering me and a 14 yr old kid was smoking EVERYONE until opening week of gun!
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 14, 2010 20:55:04 GMT -5
Just to make sure I got everything - they are proposing to shortening the gun season to 13 days (ps 15 if in certain co)? Out of the 13 only 8 of those days you are allow to shoot a buck?
Actually nine days to hunt a buck during the general firearm season. Nine more days duirng the MZ season.
Muzzle season is 9 days so realistically the gun season could last 23 days - so basically all of December could be gun season if you own a muzzle
Dunno.. the MZ seasons will be shortened. Not sure if they want to take it off the front or the back of the season..
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Post by vectrix on Jul 14, 2010 20:57:34 GMT -5
Indiana's firearms season will turn into the debacle that Ohio's is. Hunters running deer in large groups, pushing through any property where the deer take them. it already happens here for weeks, shooters that drive and push will continue to do just that, just not for as many days Yea gotta love those weekend warriors, I feel your pain!
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Post by Decatur on Jul 14, 2010 21:34:32 GMT -5
proposed - 9 days general firearms either sex 9 day muzzleloader either sex 2 day antlerless firearms in OCT (but you can buck hunt with a bow during those 2 days) IF your county is a 4+ county, if not, you have to go elsewhere8 days antlerless firearms 25DEC thru 1JAN Just to make sure I got everything - they are proposing to shortening the gun season to 13 days (ps 15 if in certain co)? Out of the 13 only 8 of those days you are allow to shoot a buck? Muzzle season is 9 days so realistically the gun season could last 23 days - so basically all of December could be gun season if you own a muzzle
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Post by HuntMeister on Jul 15, 2010 6:13:00 GMT -5
thanks for the correction, forgot about the 4+ thing...man it sure is getting complicated to just go hunting. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) proposed - 9 days general firearms either sex 9 day muzzleloader either sex 2 day antlerless firearms in OCT (but you can buck hunt with a bow during those 2 days) IF your county is a 4+ county, if not, you have to go elsewhere8 days antlerless firearms 25DEC thru 1JAN
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Post by drs on Jul 15, 2010 6:44:57 GMT -5
Man it sure is getting complicated to just go hunting. TOO many LAWYERS & SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS ruining the sport of hunting for everyone.
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Post by Decatur on Jul 15, 2010 7:40:02 GMT -5
Yes it is HuntMeister!
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Post by firstwd on Jul 15, 2010 19:56:58 GMT -5
Another question. If the idea is to kill more antlerless deer, why only the 4+ counties for the special seasons? For that matter, why doe only? With the current county limit and OBR, the proposed restrictions don't make complete sense.
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